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#181 thefiestygoat

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:27 PM

ISS Top 30 April Edition

 

Interesting list, a lot different than the others out there...especially Nichushkin at 2, Drouin at 4, and Horvat at 10. I also find it interesting they have Lazar at 12 and Bowey at 27. Here's the top 10:

 

1. D Seth Jones (Portland - WHL)
2. F Valery Nichushkin (Chelyabinsk - RUS)
3. C Nate MacKinnon (Halifax - QMJHL)
4. C Jonathan Drouin (Halifax - QMJHL)
5. C Sasha Barkov (Tappara - FIN)
6. D Darnell Nurse (Sault Ste. Marie - OHL)
7. D Nikita Zadorov (London - OHL)
8. C Elias Lindholm (Brynas - SWE)
9. C Sean Monahan (Ottawa - OHL)
10. C Bo Horvat (London - OHL)

 

Also, here is the most recent NHL Numbers Draft Consensus Rankings (April).


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 11:38 PM

Zadorov, Monahan, Lindholm...I like all those names on a Devils jersey.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 11:39 PM

Well we only have 4more pts than the 27th position... Its not even impossible to be able to draft drouin or mackinnon with our own pick without even winning the lottery

Edit: actually the flames (27th) even have more regulation wins than us lol if you only look at the wins were bottom 4

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:19 AM

Colorado is probably regretting signing that ROR offer sheet now. They could be looking at picks 2 and 3 this year since Calgary is so bad.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:15 AM

Really want us to get in the top 4. It would be really save this team. We need a franchise forward for when Elias leaves. Mackinnon, barkov, and druin will all be elite talents and at least one of them will be around at 4
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:23 AM

Really want us to get in the top 4. It would be really save this team. We need a franchise forward for when Elias leaves. Mackinnon, barkov, and druin will all be elite talents and at least one of them will be around at 4

 

losing to philly thursday could certain help that... they'd jump over us. and if Oilers and nashville win their next game we'd be 6th

 

obviously i don't like to think that way i want to see my team win but you know... i saw Mackinnon and Drouin play around here a bunch of time... it would be fvcking unreal to have one of them in NJ


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 08:33 AM

Colorado is probably regretting signing that ROR offer sheet now. They could be looking at picks 2 and 3 this year since Calgary is so bad.

 

especially if they could've reclaimed him on waivers right after they decided not to match  :doh1:


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 08:56 AM

especially if they could've reclaimed him on waivers right after they decided not to match  :doh1:

I think CBJ was first on the waiver wire at that point. Imagine the Jackets getting a young selke caliber center for free lolz


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 10:35 AM

Here's an interesting scenario: Lets say Carolina gets #4 and we're at #8. Would you guys give up Tallinder or even Fayne to switch with the Canes? Maybe one of Drouin or Mackinnon would fall to us and worst case, we'd get Barkov


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:06 AM

Here's an interesting scenario: Lets say Carolina gets #4 and we're at #8. Would you guys give up Tallinder or even Fayne to switch with the Canes? Maybe one of Drouin or Mackinnon would fall to us and worst case, we'd get Barkov

 

well, you're essentially asking which is worth more - moving up from 8 to 4 or a 2nd round pick.

 

it all depends on what else either of them could get.

 

if i could get, say, kulemin for one of them, i'd rather do that than move up from 8 to 4.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:57 AM

Here's an interesting scenario: Lets say Carolina gets #4 and we're at #8. Would you guys give up Tallinder or even Fayne to switch with the Canes? Maybe one of Drouin or Mackinnon would fall to us and worst case, we'd get Barkov

 

One problem is that Carolina will be straddilng the cap next year with a lot of roster spots to fill, so it would be hard for them to justify picking up a $3 million cap hit in Tallinder when there wouldn't be equivalent salary, much less equivalent talent going the other way. 

 

Also, while this draft is supposed to be deep, Jones/MacKinnon/Drouin/Nishkinin/Barkov appear to be the 1A prospects.  If I were a Canes' fan, I'd be really upset if Carolina missed out on one of those players in order to get a mid-pairing defenseman that was only under contract for one year.  I would demand Merrill in any such scenario. 


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:04 PM

One problem is that Carolina will be straddilng the cap next year with a lot of roster spots to fill, so it would be hard for them to justify picking up a $3 million cap hit in Tallinder when there wouldn't be equivalent salary, much less equivalent talent going the other way. 

 

Also, while this draft is supposed to be deep, Jones/MacKinnon/Drouin/Nishkinin/Barkov appear to be the 1A prospects.  If I were a Canes' fan, I'd be really upset if Carolina missed out on one of those players in order to get a mid-pairing defenseman that was only under contract for one year.  I would demand Merrill in any such scenario. 

Fayne isnt expensive at all and we could take a bad contract if it came to that. The top 5 is too strong to not take a risk


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:12 PM

Fayne isnt expensive at all and we could take a bad contract if it came to that. The top 5 is too strong to not take a risk

 

I would trade Fayne in a heartbeat to get into the top five.  There's no way the Canes would do that though, even if Fayne were making the league minimum.  He is under contract for only one more year, the Canes are not making a Cup push next year, and even if they were, Fayne is nowhere near good enough to risk losing out on a player that is a good chance to be a perennial all-star.  As I said, if I'm the Canes, I'm hanging up the phone immediately if the first offer does not involve Merrill.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:16 PM

I would trade Fayne in a heartbeat to get into the top five.  There's no way the Canes would do that though, even if Fayne were making the league minimum.  He is under contract for only one more year, the Canes are not making a Cup push next year, and even if they were, Fayne is nowhere near good enough to risk losing out on a player that is a good chance to be a perennial all-star.  As I said, if I'm the Canes, I'm hanging up the phone immediately if the first offer does not involve Merrill.

I get that feeling Fayne won't be too expensive to re-sign. He's a clear top 4 guy and would be their 3rd best dman after Pitkanen and Gleason. 4th overall isn't gonna get them Jones and they can get good guys like Nurse, Ristolainen, etc at 8th overall


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:17 PM

I don't think you trade up to 4 w/ Fayne, you have to get into the top 3 w/ the big 3 this year unless you really love Barkov. 4-8's probably the same caliber of player. Unless you're getting a sure fire in the top 6 guy next year, it's probably not worth it


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:23 PM

I don't think you trade up to 4 w/ Fayne, you have to get into the top 3 w/ the big 3 this year unless you really love Barkov. 4-8's probably the same caliber of player. Unless you're getting a sure fire in the top 6 guy next year, it's probably not worth it

Remember, Couturier made it all the way down to 8th. If a team likes Barkov or Nichuskin over Mackinnon or Drouin, it isn't out of the question we could get one of the Mooseheads


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:23 PM

I get that feeling Fayne won't be too expensive to re-sign. He's a clear top 4 guy and would be their 3rd best dman after Pitkanen and Gleason. 4th overall isn't gonna get them Jones and they can get good guys like Nurse, Ristolainen, etc at 8th overall

 

You're still competing with 29 other teams once he hits free agency.  The fact that he would be a good UFA value makes him a more desirable acquisition makes a lot of teams interested in signing him.  Carolina's cap situation is beside the point so far as it concerns Fayne. 

 

Think of it this way, would you trade Barkov for Darnell Nurse and a second pairing defenseman?  I sure as sh!t would not.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:27 PM

You're still competing with 29 other teams once he hits free agency.  The fact that he would be a good UFA value makes him a more desirable acquisition makes a lot of teams interested in signing him.  Carolina's cap situation is beside the point so far as it concerns Fayne. 

 

Think of it this way, would you trade Barkov for Darnell Nurse and a second pairing defenseman?  I sure as sh!t would not.

Carolina seems set at center for awhile. They have both Staals down the middl who are both pretty young. I've seen Nurse go as high as 5th; I think you're underselling him a bit. Fayne instantly gives them a guy who can play 20 minutes a night and in every situation


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 01:04 PM

Carolina seems set at center for awhile. They have both Staals down the middl who are both pretty young. I've seen Nurse go as high as 5th; I think you're underselling him a bit. Fayne instantly gives them a guy who can play 20 minutes a night and in every situation

 

20 minutes a night?  So in other words, about the average TOI a defenseman ought to be getting?


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 01:32 PM

20 minutes a night?  So in other words, about the average TOI a defenseman ought to be getting?

For whatever reason, the Devils would rather play Salvador and Zidlicky big minutes over Fayne. But if you watched last years playoffs, you know what he's capable of


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