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#241 Daniel

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:31 PM

I recall our resident scout, J. MacIssac, saying that Barkov was like a bigger version of Datsyuk, so having him on the team would be very exciting.
I don't love the idea of Nishkinin just because he would not be available for a couple of years. The Devils can use all the help in the talent department right now. I also like the idea of getting draft picks that can play immediately for the excitement factor.
It's been said here before, but I have this irrational fear of drafting anymore Swedes in the first round. Larsson seems to be the only one that has a shot at being an above-average NHLer, but he's bee really disappointing thus far. So hopefully we're not in a position one way or another to draft Lindholm.

Avoiding picking a player based on nationality. Thank god you aren't a scout


To my credit, I did say it was irrational. But still, different countries, or at least playing in a different country, breeds playing a certain type of style. Landeskog is Swedish, but he played junior in Canada, so he doesn't fit in the Swede category so to speak. Same with Galchenyuk who played intheOHL fitting into the "Russian" category.

It isn't a scientific approach, but you can't completely discount the idea that the country where a draft pick has played has some effect on the type of NHLer someone will turn out to be.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:27 PM

Valeri Nichushkin or Anthony Mantha, Right wing is a big need.......


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:45 PM

I would like us to draft Adam Erne from the Quebec Remparts if we have a 10-15 draft pick. Right Winger 6 ft. 200 pounds. Will be 18 the day after tomorrow.

Since I live in Quebec City, I've went to see the remparts a couple of times this year, and this kid is really talented. He isn't really flashy, but he is big, intense, he can hit, but he can also score a lot of goals and put up points.

 

This year he had 28 goals and 44 assists (72 points) in 68 games, and 5 goals and 5 assists in 11 games in the playoffs. This year was his second in the "Q".

Since we don't have a lot of RWers and we lack size on the offense, I believe this kid would fit in perfectly.

Edit: He was ranked 16th on Bob McKenzie January top 30 list.

 

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:50 PM

To my credit, I did say it was irrational. But still, different countries, or at least playing in a different country, breeds playing a certain type of style. Landeskog is Swedish, but he played junior in Canada, so he doesn't fit in the Swede category so to speak. Same with Galchenyuk who played intheOHL fitting into the "Russian" category. It isn't a scientific approach, but you can't completely discount the idea that the country where a draft pick has played has some effect on the type of NHLer someone will turn out to be. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

Sure maybe there's a differetn style but don't act like Swedes are busts because Tedenby sucks, JJ's always hurt and Larsson's not Niklas Lidstrom at 20. Lidstrom: Swedish believe it or not. Henrik Zetterberg: Swedish. Peter Forsberg: Swedish. And the list goes on. It might have an impact on "type" sometimes, but not on success. 

 

and Galchenyuk's American btw 


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#245 Daniel

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:27 PM

To my credit, I did say it was irrational. But still, different countries, or at least playing in a different country, breeds playing a certain type of style. Landeskog is Swedish, but he played junior in Canada, so he doesn't fit in the Swede category so to speak. Same with Galchenyuk who played intheOHL fitting into the "Russian" category. It isn't a scientific approach, but you can't completely discount the idea that the country where a draft pick has played has some effect on the type of NHLer someone will turn out to be. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Sure maybe there's a differetn style but don't act like Swedes are busts because Tedenby sucks, JJ's always hurt and Larsson's not Niklas Lidstrom at 20. Lidstrom: Swedish believe it or not. Henrik Zetterberg: Swedish. Peter Forsberg: Swedish. And the list goes on. It might have an impact on "type" sometimes, but not on success.

and Galchenyuk's American btw


Galchenyuk is American the way Courturier is American. Both were born in the US, but raised mainly outside of the US.

And I never said all Swedes are busts or that they can't make it in the NHL. (What is it with strawmen?) It's just that the Devils have a very poor record when it comes to drafting Swedes. (BTW, you forgot to mention Bergfors).


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:47 PM

oh and what about andrghetto in the 2 round....


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:04 AM

I know for a fact that the Devils invite him to their training camp last year... because of the lockout he wasnt invite anymore... 

 

Nj and LA and STL invite him to their training camp


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 10:59 AM

Galchenyuk is American the way Courturier is American. Both were born in the US, but raised mainly outside of the US. And I never said all Swedes are busts or that they can't make it in the NHL. (What is it with strawmen?) It's just that the Devils have a very poor record when it comes to drafting Swedes. (BTW, you forgot to mention Bergfors). Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

I agree.

 

Swedes usually are a safe bet to draft.  Even JD once said years ago that when in doubt, draft a swede.  However the Devils just find a way of drafting I guess the "wrong" ones and we get stuck with the ones that we have.  Larsson is probably the most promising.  Josefson has not impressed that much so far, but still has a chance. However Tedenby is a bust and Bergfors turned out to be one as well.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:24 AM

Galchenyuk is American the way Courturier is American. Both were born in the US, but raised mainly outside of the US. And I never said all Swedes are busts or that they can't make it in the NHL. (What is it with strawmen?) It's just that the Devils have a very poor record when it comes to drafting Swedes. (BTW, you forgot to mention Bergfors). Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

Tedenby was a bad pick considering who was left on the board

 

Bergfors had obvious skill and was a major part of the Kovalchuk trade (so he wasn't a total waste)

 

Josefson is a really good player. I think he'll anchor the third line for years to come. 

 

Larsson is 20 years old playing and playing well in the NHL. With a bit more foot speed and an improved shot, he'll be a freaking beast


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:59 PM

Tedenby was a bad pick considering who was left on the board

 

Bergfors had obvious skill and was a major part of the Kovalchuk trade (so he wasn't a total waste)

 

Josefson is a really good player. I think he'll anchor the third line for years to come. 

 

Larsson is 20 years old playing and playing well in the NHL. With a bit more foot speed and an improved shot, he'll be a freaking beast

 

Just for the hell of it, assuming the standings stay the same:

 

1) Florida- Nathan Mackinnon

2) Colorado- Seth Jones

3) Carolina- Jonathan Drouin

4) Nashville- Alex Barkov

5) Tampa Bay- Valeri Nichuskin

6) Calgary- Elias Lindholm

7) Edmonton- Darnell Nurse

8) Philadelphia- Rasmus Ristolainen 

9) NJ- Hunter Shinkaruk

 

Assuming NJ picks no later than 10th, I'd love for them to trade up to where CGY or TB are picking. I don't care whether its picks or Fayne or Tallinder


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:03 PM

Just for the hell of it, assuming the standings stay the same:

 

1) Florida- Nathan Mackinnon

2) Colorado- Seth Jones

3) Carolina- Jonathan Drouin

4) Nashville- Alex Barkov

5) Tampa Bay- Valeri Nichuskin

6) Calgary- Elias Lindholm

7) Edmonton- Darnell Nurse

8) Philadelphia- Rasmus Ristolainen 

9) NJ- Hunter Shinkaruk

 

Assuming NJ picks no later than 10th, I'd love for them to trade up to where CGY or TB are picking. I don't care whether its picks or Fayne or Tallinder

 

I've mentioned this before, but I recall hearing somewhere that TB always liked Andy Greene.  Still, I just don't see any team in the top five trading down unless they're getting a top prospect, another high pick or a player that would be under their control for at least three years. 


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:09 PM

Along with calling a 19 year old a disappointment because he hasn't shown generational talent levels.

 

As I've said before, he's good for at least two major breakdowns every game.  And he doesn't seem to do anything all that well, except his passing.   

 

It seems like he'll end up being a good NHL defenseman.  They're hard to find, but it's a bit disappointing that that's what we got out of the number 4 pick.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:47 PM

As I've said before, he's good for at least two major breakdowns every game. And he doesn't seem to do anything all that well, except his passing.

It seems like he'll end up being a good NHL defenseman. They're hard to find, but it's a bit disappointing that that's what we got out of the number 4 pick.

except that several of his skills are way above average for a defensemen his age (passing, vision, and poise). He won't be a lidstrom but he should definitely be a first pairing guy in like 3 years. He needs to work on his D, his shooting, and his skating. But those are things that can be worked on. Poise and vision are not something you can teach
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:51 PM

I've mentioned this before, but I recall hearing somewhere that TB always liked Andy Greene.  Still, I just don't see any team in the top five trading down unless they're getting a top prospect, another high pick or a player that would be under their control for at least three years. 

 

Dealing Greene would mean eventually overpaying for a veteran D in free agency. 


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:53 PM

Do we still own our 2nd round pick this year?? Draft class has apparently been called "Best/Deepest in over a decade", so if we have a top 10 pick, we will also most likely be picking again 31-40 range, and there are always some guys that take a dive down the draft board, could get a potential steal in the early 2nd round.


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:08 PM

Do we still own our 2nd round pick this year?? Draft class has apparently been called "Best/Deepest in over a decade", so if we have a top 10 pick, we will also most likely be picking again 31-40 range, and there are always some guys that take a dive down the draft board, could get a potential steal in the early 2nd round.

We have a 1st, 2nd, 4th and 6th rd pick this year


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 06:16 PM

Dealing Greene would mean eventually overpaying for a veteran D in free agency. 

This.
The only defensemen that are even worth dealing is Tallinder and/or some prospects.  In my eyes, Tallinder is the only expendable and tradable guy of our 8.  Greene is a leader in our locker room and has been on this team for eight years.  Lou doesn't like to trade his undrafted guys who have turned into gems.  See David Clarkson, Ralfie, Madden


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:50 AM

This.
The only defensemen that are even worth dealing is Tallinder and/or some prospects.  In my eyes, Tallinder is the only expendable and tradable guy of our 8.  Greene is a leader in our locker room and has been on this team for eight years.  Lou doesn't like to trade his undrafted guys who have turned into gems.  See David Clarkson, Ralfie, Madden

If we could send Tallinder packing for another 2nd, I'd be ok. I'd be ok with a d prospect heading out if we can get good return out of it, otherwise sit tight, draft, sign some amnestied guys and try again next year.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:56 PM

FVCK THE DRAFT. We need to make the playoffs.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 09:31 PM

FVCK THE DRAFT. We need to make the playoffs.

"Need"?  Why do we "need" to make the playoffs?  Frankly, we "need" to get a decent player in the draft a lot more than we "need" to become cannon fodder for the Penguins.  I'm not saying we should tank the rest of the season, but neither do I think it would be the end of the world if the stars failed to align to usher us into the playoffs.


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