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#321 NewarkDevil5

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:18 AM

Sean Monahan's drop reminds me of couture. If we get him I will run laps

 

Well if we're picking 9th (and there's a 90+% chance we are) I don't think it's too out of the realm of possibility for us to get him.

 

My question is do you think he'll take the long road toward NHL power forward or the shorter road. I've seen NHL power forwards take 6 years before they were even contributing (Todd Bertuzzi) and I've seen a few that were able to hack it in a good way in their first couple of seasons (Thomas Vanek, Johan Franzen, etc.).

 

In all honesty, I think that a Sean Monahan is exactly the kind of player (once he is fully developed, that is) that we need at least if I'm correct in thinking of him as a power forward type. I'm just concerned about him not being impactful until Kovalchuk's in his 7th year on contract.

 

I'm hoping for a Johan Franzen or Thomas Vanek type out of this draft. Is there anyone in that ilk that we could conceivably pick? Is Sean Monahan that guy?


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:39 AM

Well if we're picking 9th (and there's a 90+% chance we are) I don't think it's too out of the realm of possibility for us to get him.

My question is do you think he'll take the long road toward NHL power forward or the shorter road. I've seen NHL power forwards take 6 years before they were even contributing (Todd Bertuzzi) and I've seen a few that were able to hack it in a good way in their first couple of seasons (Thomas Vanek, Johan Franzen, etc.).

In all honesty, I think that a Sean Monahan is exactly the kind of player (once he is fully developed, that is) that we need at least if I'm correct in thinking of him as a power forward type. I'm just concerned about him not being impactful until Kovalchuk's in his 7th year on contract.

I'm hoping for a Johan Franzen or Thomas Vanek type out of this draft. Is there anyone in that ilk that we could conceivably pick? Is Sean Monahan that guy?


From everything I've gathered, Monahan is essentially a Sean Couturier clone. Big two way center who has a wicked wrister.

I'm trying to think of guys who would definitely make the Devils next year. Only ones I can see are wingers like Lindholm, Shinkaruk or Drouin.
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:53 AM

From everything I've gathered, Monahan is essentially a Sean Couturier clone. Big two way center who has a wicked wrister.

I'm trying to think of guys who would definitely make the Devils next year. Only ones I can see are wingers like Lindholm, Shinkaruk or Drouin.

 

Well I was all for drafting Couturier and I'm still not entirely sure I was wrong.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:53 AM

From everything I've gathered, Monahan is essentially a Sean Couturier clone. Big two way center who has a wicked wrister.

I'm trying to think of guys who would definitely make the Devils next year. Only ones I can see are wingers like Lindholm, Shinkaruk or Drouin.

 

lindholm is a center and from what i'm reading, looks to be the same kind of player as josefson - smart two way player that needs to bulk up a bit with a best case as zetterberg and a worst case as a magnus arvedson.

 

i get the sense that monahan could be converted to wing much more easily.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 09:56 AM

lindholm is a center and from what i'm reading, looks to be the same kind of player as josefson - smart two way player that needs to bulk up a bit with a best case as zetterberg and a worst case as a magnus arvedson.

i get the sense that monahan could be converted to wing much more easily.

Heh I swore I saw Lindholm listed as a C/LW. Either way, I think it'd be a mistake to shift Monahan to the wing. He seems like the perfect center
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:12 AM

Heh I swore I saw Lindholm listed as a C/LW. Either way, I think it'd be a mistake to shift Monahan to the wing. He seems like the perfect center

 

I've seen scouting reports comparing Monahan to Eric Staal. If that's the case, then you're right, it'd be a waste to turn him to a winger. Question is at that point what do we do with Travis Zajac? I don't see us paying him between $5 and $6.5 million a year to center a third line and I don't see anyone taking him in a trade either. I'll be honest, I've grown rather attached to Loktionov and consider him a big part of the future of this team, but only at center. Zajac really only ever plays center also (although he might be more productive at wing.... it's not a bad idea to try that concept).


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:22 AM

I've seen scouting reports comparing Monahan to Eric Staal. If that's the case, then you're right, it'd be a waste to turn him to a winger. Question is at that point what do we do with Travis Zajac? I don't see us paying him between $5 and $6.5 million a year to center a third line and I don't see anyone taking him in a trade either. I'll be honest, I've grown rather attached to Loktionov and consider him a big part of the future of this team, but only at center. Zajac really only ever plays center also (although he might be more productive at wing.... it's not a bad idea to try that concept).


I know Zajac had a disappointing year, but he is still easily the best center on the team if you're not counting Elias. He is so much more than points. If I HAD to convert someone to wing, it'd be Josefson. That'd be the worst case scenario as JJ is very good at D and a very good playmaker
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:26 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if we trade down from our spot (if we don't get #1). I could see that happening to acquire more picks in later rounds (an extra 2nd or replace our missing third)

I believe we only have 1,2,4, and 6 round picks this year. That's not very good considering we only picked 5 times last year.

Anyway, imagine we do trade down, let's say 5 spots to 14 area. Who would we target there? Wennberg?
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:32 AM

Devils aren't trading down unless all the guys they have rated highly are gone.  Based on the talent that's in this draft, I don't see them doing that unless they get blown away with an offer and the teams that right now have multiple 1sts to do that, need to use those picks to develop their prospect pool and rebuild (Flames especially). 

 

The talent/prospect tier doesn't really drop off until the teens, and they'll have a Top 40 2nd rounder as well that they can use and package with a prospect of future pick to move up into the early 2nd or late 1st if there's another guy they really like and want at that point.


As for Lindholm, he is a far better prospect and offensive talent than Josefson was or will ever be.  It's not even close. 


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:45 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if we trade down from our spot (if we don't get #1). I could see that happening to acquire more picks in later rounds (an extra 2nd or replace our missing third)
I believe we only have 1,2,4, and 6 round picks this year. That's not very good considering we only picked 5 times last year.
Anyway, imagine we do trade down, let's say 5 spots to 14 area. Who would we target there? Wennberg?


The only way the Devils trade down is if they win the lottery. They would trade down a few spots for a team that wants Jones very badly and that at worst would be picking when Barkov will be around.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:49 AM

I know Zajac had a disappointing year, but he is still easily the best center on the team if you're not counting Elias. He is so much more than points. If I HAD to convert someone to wing, it'd be Josefson. That'd be the worst case scenario as JJ is very good at D and a very good playmaker

 

Elias to me has always been better at wing than at center, but what I'm talking about is probably two years away since even if we got a guy like Monahan in this draft he probably wouldn't be taking over our second line center duties until the year after next. By that point I figure Elias is probably sitting on the third line.

 

Maybe Zajac has a bounce-back year next year at center, but right now we've got an awful lot of guys trying to get into 4 middle spots and there's going to come a point where some of them have to be shifted. If Zajac struggles with production again next year in the middle maybe they try him out at right wing. I could particularly see this happening if Clarkson doesn't re-sign.

 

As far as Josefson is concerned, I don't know if I see him as someone who'll definitely be on this team in two years.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:50 AM

I think they would be willing to consider trading down if there are multiple people available that they like equally, or someone specific they think will still be available later. We've seen this in the past, and Lou has explicitly said that was their strategy, so why not again?

 

The thing I want to clarify is that I do not believe they would trade down until their time to pick (not before draft day). It would be highly dependent on who is still available around the time their pick comes around.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:53 AM

Lazy for Lazar

 

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jj got hands of stone


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

If the Devils win the lottery, I think they'll take Jones. 

 

The only way that doesn't happen if they don't believe he is the best prospect in the whole draft, or if Jones publicly pulls a Lindros before hand.

 

Let's say they want Barkov more than anyone and they have #1, I wouldn't be surprised if they just take Barkov at #1.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:00 AM

If the Devils win the lottery, I think they'll take Jones.

The only way that doesn't happen if they don't believe he is the best prospect in the whole draft, or if Jones publicly pulls a Lindros before hand.

Let's say they want Barkov more than anyone and they have #1, I wouldn't be surprised if they just take Barkov at #1.


If we win the lottery, the best thing to do would be to trade down to 3 or 4 and acquire a high second from that team
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:06 AM

If the Devils win the lottery, I think they'll take Jones. 

 

The only way that doesn't happen if they don't believe he is the best prospect in the whole draft, or if Jones publicly pulls a Lindros before hand.

 

Let's say they want Barkov more than anyone and they have #1, I wouldn't be surprised if they just take Barkov at #1.

 

If they win the lottery, I'd be happy if they took Jones. It isn't what they need, but it would be a phenomenal addition to an already good defense corps. I'm not sure what Lou's next moves would be, but I'm pretty sure that at that point we'd finally have reached the tipping point to trade some defensemen.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:07 AM

I see Travis Zajac playing with Matteau on his left and Clarkson on his right in the future. I'm sorry but I really don't see him as a top line center or at least a top scoring line center. I'm assuming we're drafting a center this year and that leaves us with Lokti (hopefully), Henrique, Josefoson, Zajac, 2013 pick (who can possibly be moved to wing), and maybe Elias. 


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:22 AM

I see Travis Zajac playing with Matteau on his left and Clarkson on his right in the future. I'm sorry but I really don't see him as a top line center or at least a top scoring line center. I'm assuming we're drafting a center this year and that leaves us with Lokti (hopefully), Henrique, Josefoson, Zajac, 2013 pick (who can possibly be moved to wing), and maybe Elias. 

 

To me Travis Zajac is a guy who has the tools at his disposal to be a good second line center. He had linemates at points that allowed him to seem like a first line center, but that's really not his true level. He is good on faceoffs, has a decent shot (when he shoots) and can pass decently, but I don't see that in and of itself mandating that he must be our first line center. As for Matteau and Clarkson, it's very possible that the one winds up replacing the other if he doesn't return this summer.


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:27 AM

Or a RW not as if kovy cant go back to his natural position instead of putting 2 wingers on their off wings

my thoughts exactly 


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Posted 28 April 2013 - 11:39 AM

I think they would be willing to consider trading down if there are multiple people available that they like equally, or someone specific they think will still be available later. We've seen this in the past, and Lou has explicitly said that was their strategy, so why not again?

 

The thing I want to clarify is that I do not believe they would trade down until their time to pick (not before draft day). It would be highly dependent on who is still available around the time their pick comes around.

 

 

I hate when we trade down, it seems like there's no one left that they really like and we seem to end up with guys like Tedenby and Corrente.  I know we traded down for Brodeur, but that was two decades ago and it's a little different because they were simply targeting a goalie.   How much better off would we have been if we just stayed in our spot in 2006 and drafted Patrik Berglund instead of trading down and going off the board for Corrente and adding another later pick which I believe became Zharkov?   Didn't we also trade down before pissing away a pick on Adrian Foster as well?  

 

On the other hand, when Lou and Conte see someone they really like and trade up to get him it's usually turned out pretty well.   Parise, Zajac and Gomez off the top of my head.  Hopefully they have a similar target this year.

 

Edit: In 2001 we traded the extra pick we has from the Blues fallout to the Panthers for two 2nd rounders which became Thomas Pihlman and Igor Pohanka.  Panthers took Lukas Krajicek who at least had a servicable NHL career.      


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