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#441 Jas0nMacIsaac

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 05:36 PM

I would take carrier over duclair..
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Posted 28 May 2013 - 07:08 PM

I would take carrier over duclair..

What makes you prefer Carrier and are you not a fan of Duclair's? From searching Future Considerations and Hockey Prospectus it seems Carrier has a size + power advantage and is better defensively. Just wondering what your personal opinion of these 2 guys is.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:08 PM

I really hope we don't pick a dman or goalie till the 4th round. We have a chance to get two legit forward prospects. Guys who may be available in the second round like Justin Bailey, Jacob De La Rose, Morgan Klimchuk and Ryan Hartman are first rounders any other year. Shinkaruk, Klimchuk, Matteau, Boucher and Pietila is a very respectable prospect pool along with our strong young D


Well from our point of view it may be a respectable prospect pool but when you look around to what others teams have coming their way... Its really not much saddly. Of course you never know for sure but our prospect pool is surely not ranked too high compared to a good chunk of the league. Picking late and our first rounders not developping as wed like for so long is starting to hurt.
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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:54 PM

Well from our point of view it may be a respectable prospect pool but when you look around to what others teams have coming their way... Its really not much saddly. Of course you never know for sure but our prospect pool is surely not ranked too high compared to a good chunk of the league. Picking late and our first rounders not developping as wed like for so long is starting to hurt.

 

Who cares about prospect pools?  Players drafted from 2008 on by NJ who have a good chance to be respectable NHLers:  Henrique, Loktionov, Josefson, Gelinas, Urbom, Merrill, Larsson, Matteau, Severson, and whoever NJ takes in this draft 9th overall (assuming that's where they end up).  Then you've got a host of other decent-ish guys.  Just because there's an arbitrary definition of prospect that silly sites adhere to and that NJ never ranks at the top, that doesn't concern me at all.  The Wings were constantly ranked near the bottom of prospect sites in the early 2000s, along with the Devils, and both teams haven't really slowed down.  Meanwhile teams like Florida are constantly near the top and never go anywhere.

 

NJ already made it through their roughest patch prospect-wise - between 2001 and 2007, the bona fide NHLers they drafted were:  Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, and Mark Fayne.  Two 1st line players and a solid D, but nothing else (I'll hear arguments for Bergfors, who I think had/has NHL talent but had other issues).  They augmented those with Clarkson, Greene, and Oduya, but it's still not a great haul.  These young players they have now look pretty darn good. 


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:34 AM

I knew what Mother Brain was, but had to google the connection to Justin Bailey. 

 

Also, perhaps reading too much into things, but on the Nashville website, their chief scout previews the "Top 5" prospects... Jones, MacKinnon, Barkov, Drouin. most interestingly, Lindholm rather than Nischuskinan.

 

http://predators.nhl...vid=DL|NSH|home

 

 

You'd be surprised yet you wouldn't be if Nashville steered clear of the highly touted Russian prospect.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:18 AM

Well from our point of view it may be a respectable prospect pool but when you look around to what others teams have coming their way... Its really not much saddly. Of course you never know for sure but our prospect pool is surely not ranked too high compared to a good chunk of the league. Picking late and our first rounders not developping as wed like for so long is starting to hurt.

Who cares about prospect pools? Players drafted from 2008 on by NJ who have a good chance to be respectable NHLers: Henrique, Loktionov, Josefson, Gelinas, Urbom, Merrill, Larsson, Matteau, Severson, and whoever NJ takes in this draft 9th overall (assuming that's where they end up). Then you've got a host of other decent-ish guys. Just because there's an arbitrary definition of prospect that silly sites adhere to and that NJ never ranks at the top, that doesn't concern me at all. The Wings were constantly ranked near the bottom of prospect sites in the early 2000s, along with the Devils, and both teams haven't really slowed down. Meanwhile teams like Florida are constantly near the top and never go anywhere.

NJ already made it through their roughest patch prospect-wise - between 2001 and 2007, the bona fide NHLers they drafted were: Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, and Mark Fayne. Two 1st line players and a solid D, but nothing else (I'll hear arguments for Bergfors, who I think had/has NHL talent but had other issues). They augmented those with Clarkson, Greene, and Oduya, but it's still not a great haul. These young players they have now look pretty darn good.


Not to mention the prospects you end up being able to trade for bona fide NHLers.




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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:54 AM

Who cares about prospect pools?  Players drafted from 2008 on by NJ who have a good chance to be respectable NHLers:  Henrique, Loktionov, Josefson, Gelinas, Urbom, Merrill, Larsson, Matteau, Severson, and whoever NJ takes in this draft 9th overall (assuming that's where they end up).  Then you've got a host of other decent-ish guys.  Just because there's an arbitrary definition of prospect that silly sites adhere to and that NJ never ranks at the top, that doesn't concern me at all.  The Wings were constantly ranked near the bottom of prospect sites in the early 2000s, along with the Devils, and both teams haven't really slowed down.  Meanwhile teams like Florida are constantly near the top and never go anywhere.

 

NJ already made it through their roughest patch prospect-wise - between 2001 and 2007, the bona fide NHLers they drafted were:  Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, and Mark Fayne.  Two 1st line players and a solid D, but nothing else (I'll hear arguments for Bergfors, who I think had/has NHL talent but had other issues).  They augmented those with Clarkson, Greene, and Oduya, but it's still not a great haul.  These young players they have now look pretty darn good. 

 

loktionov wasn't drafted by NJ. and i think you could possibly add boucher to that list also.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 09:00 AM

loktionov wasn't drafted by NJ. and i think you could possibly add boucher to that list also.


Perhaps Scarlett also.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 04:14 PM

loktionov wasn't drafted by NJ. and i think you could possibly add boucher to that list also.

 

I'm aware of that, but he's 22/23 and a good player.  Not willing to add Boucher to the list because I've seen too many of these guys flop at the NHL level (or because I plum forgot about him when I wrote the list, could be one or the other)


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:42 PM

On my ipad and can't post the link, but some pretty good tidbits from Lou on the draft from TG. Basically Lou said, it "doesn't take an Einstein" to figure out that the Devils want to draft young forwards. That and Lou admitting that the Devils don't really have the horses to trade into the top three. (They do have the horses to do it of course, Larsson, Merrill, etc, but aren't willing to do that). I think the fear is that it'll get to 9 and the defenseman available are all rated significantly higher than the forwards that are there. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:51 PM


On my ipad and can't post the link, but some pretty good tidbits from Lou on the draft from TG. Basically Lou said, it "doesn't take an Einstein" to figure out that the Devils want to draft young forwards. That and Lou admitting that the Devils don't really have the horses to trade into the top three. (They do have the horses to do it of course, Larsson, Merrill, etc, but aren't willing to do that).I think the fear is that it'll get to 9 and the defenseman available are all rated significantly higher than the forwards that are there.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD


I don't think Nurse, Ristolainen or Zadorov have necessarily separated themselves from guys like Shinkaruk, Domi or Zykov
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:52 PM

On my ipad and can't post the link, but some pretty good tidbits from Lou on the draft from TG. Basically Lou said, it "doesn't take an Einstein" to figure out that the Devils want to draft young forwards. That and Lou admitting that the Devils don't really have the horses to trade into the top three. (They do have the horses to do it of course, Larsson, Merrill, etc, but aren't willing to do that). I think the fear is that it'll get to 9 and the defenseman available are all rated significantly higher than the forwards that are there. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

If the defenseman are much higher quality than the forwards at that point, I think the Devils would ask around to see if trading down makes sense.  One of Lou's quotes was about how deep the quality is in this draft.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:16 PM


If the defenseman are much higher quality than the forwards at that point, I think the Devils would ask around to see if trading down makes sense. One of Lou's quotes was about how deep the quality is in this draft.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:48 PM

On my ipad and can't post the link, but some pretty good tidbits from Lou on the draft from TG. Basically Lou said, it "doesn't take an Einstein" to figure out that the Devils want to draft young forwards. That and Lou admitting that the Devils don't really have the horses to trade into the top three. (They do have the horses to do it of course, Larsson, Merrill, etc, but aren't willing to do that). I think the fear is that it'll get to 9 and the defenseman available are all rated significantly higher than the forwards that are there. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

I don't think Merrill + 9th pick gets you into the top 3.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:04 PM


I don't think Merrill + 9th pick gets you into the top 3.


Understand, more meant to say that he could be the main part of some kind of package.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 09:57 PM

Who cares about prospect pools? Players drafted from 2008 on by NJ who have a good chance to be respectable NHLers: Henrique, Loktionov, Josefson, Gelinas, Urbom, Merrill, Larsson, Matteau, Severson, and whoever NJ takes in this draft 9th overall (assuming that's where they end up). Then you've got a host of other decent-ish guys. Just because there's an arbitrary definition of prospect that silly sites adhere to and that NJ never ranks at the top, that doesn't concern me at all. The Wings were constantly ranked near the bottom of prospect sites in the early 2000s, along with the Devils, and both teams haven't really slowed down. Meanwhile teams like Florida are constantly near the top and never go anywhere.

NJ already made it through their roughest patch prospect-wise - between 2001 and 2007, the bona fide NHLers they drafted were: Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, and Mark Fayne. Two 1st line players and a solid D, but nothing else (I'll hear arguments for Bergfors, who I think had/has NHL talent but had other issues). They augmented those with Clarkson, Greene, and Oduya, but it's still not a great haul. These young players they have now look pretty darn good.

Ah come on. Wo cares about prospects pool? Everyone in the organization does. Good Depth is everything, it gives you flexibility for callups and trades and its encouraging for the future. How often do we say " we dont have the assets to get this and this player" and its true that we dont. We have an old team with not a lot of guys with value and we have absolutely no offensive depth. Sure we have boucher but most team have a boucher in their prospects.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 10:23 PM

Ah come on. Wo cares about prospects pool? Everyone in the organization does. Good Depth is everything, it gives you flexibility for callups and trades and its encouraging for the future. How often do we say " we dont have the assets to get this and this player" and its true that we dont. We have an old team with not a lot of guys with value and we have absolutely no offensive depth. Sure we have boucher but most team have a boucher in their prospects.

 

I don't care about Boucher.  I care that this team has a good outlook at center, lower-line wing, and defense.  And I don't care about prospect pools - I care about young players, period.  Just because Larsson spent 3 months as a 'prospect' doesn't make him any less good or important than someone who spends 2 years as a prospect and gets hyped up by his not being in the NHL (e.g. Granlund, Kuznetsov, etc.).  The Devils have good depth prospect-wise.  Their problem is that they don't have enough players aged 22-28 on their roster.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 05:37 AM

This is an interview with Lou Before the Draft Combine:

 

http://blogs.northje...ons_at_combine/

 

My favourite quotes:

 

“I’d say that if you had a preference and it was on an equal par it would be a scoring forward,” Lamoriello said. “It doesn’t take Einstein to think that one.”

 

New Colorado Avalanche head coach and VP of hockey operations Patrick Roy said Tuesday the team is looking into possibly trading the first overall pick. Lamoriello didn’t anticipate the Devils have a great chance of being involved in that discussion, though.

 

“From where we are, to move up they’d probably want our house,” Lamoriello joked.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 06:57 AM

I don't care about Boucher.  I care that this team has a good outlook at center, lower-line wing, and defense.  And I don't care about prospect pools - I care about young players, period.  Just because Larsson spent 3 months as a 'prospect' doesn't make him any less good or important than someone who spends 2 years as a prospect and gets hyped up by his not being in the NHL (e.g. Granlund, Kuznetsov, etc.).  The Devils have good depth prospect-wise.  Their problem is that they don't have enough players aged 22-28 on their roster.

 

you asked "who cared" obviously lots of people care about the team having a bright future with good youngsters coming their way so that they know who's coming up and who would be our future stars coming from our system and all. We wouldnt have to worry about our RW depth and having to throw the bank at a guy on free agency if we'd have good depth other than 3rd and 4th line kinda guy. Or top youngsters with "some value" that we could trade. Minny, Pittsburgh and Boston we're able to make some trades and even overpay to get what they wanted and got some decent guys in trade cause they had the depth and the prospects pool to afford it, and it won't hurt them that much to have sent away those guys. Boston who had 3 rookies in the playoffs and still winning? That was important too. Seriously i think youre just constantly trolling with your arrogant manners on purpose. As if its not important to have a good prospects pool, especially when most of your players are near retirements. Im sure players and managements would agree with me, at least looking at our forward depth.

 

So the real question is not "who cares about prospects pool". it's who cares that YOU don't care about it. like really.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:18 AM

you asked "who cared" obviously lots of people care about the team having a bright future with good youngsters coming their way so that they know who's coming up and who would be our future stars coming from our system and all. We wouldnt have to worry about our RW depth and having to throw the bank at a guy on free agency if we'd have good depth other than 3rd and 4th line kinda guy. Or top youngsters with "some value" that we could trade. Minny, Pittsburgh and Boston we're able to make some trades and even overpay to get what they wanted and got some decent guys in trade cause they had the depth and the prospects pool to afford it, and it won't hurt them that much to have sent away those guys. Boston who had 3 rookies in the playoffs and still winning? That was important too. Seriously i think youre just constantly trolling with your arrogant manners on purpose. As if its not important to have a good prospects pool, especially when most of your players are near retirements. Im sure players and managements would agree with me, at least looking at our forward depth.

 

So the real question is not "who cares about prospects pool". it's who cares that YOU don't care about it. like really.

 

I care about the team having good young players.  I don't care about 'prospect pools' - you cited that the Devils aren't 'ranked highly' in prospect lists.  Name a team with a better stable of D men drafted 2009 or later:  Gelinas, Urbom, Gedig, Merrill, Larsson, Scarlett, Severson.  

 

More what I'm getting at is that prospect lists are stupid (I just went to hockeysfuture and laughed my face off at how dumb some of their picks are).  Obviously the Devils should want good young players - they have those.  They have enough to make some sort of Kovalchuk type trade if they want to.  It looks like a very strong future on defense.


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