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#841 thefiestygoat

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:41 AM

Wait which two prospects are those ratings referring to?

Sorry for the late response but yeah as ghdi pointed out it was  HP's and FC's take on Hagg. I think some of the defenseman ranked around Hagg's range can offer similar or close upside without a lot of the risk which is why I'd rather pass on Hagg if they had a chance at a D like Madison Bowey, Dillon Heatherington, or Steve Santini to name a few. Though Bowey and Heatherington seem like risers who could potentially go in the late 1st round. I also think there could be some quality forwards available too so Hagg isn't on my radar.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 09:48 AM

I'm all for giving them some, but ther'es no reason on earth they should have 4 each. THe penguins last year released 1500 for the first day and it was first come first serve not some random lottery where only 250 people win. Not that those are great odds but not ridiculously low ones like here


 

Sigh. If you think online writers can't get any press credentials, you really have no idea what you're talking about

Please explain why they don't deserve 4 each? My Father is a STH, he has 4 seats he splits with 3 other people, so there's 4 people total. Why don't they all deserve 1 ticket? From my understanding, their acct only was guaranteed 2 tickets. Any extras were given only after they gauged interest with the contest, or so it seemed to me.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 02:25 PM

Looks like this is how the TV coverage will shake out:

Saturday

7-8 NHL Network: 2013 Scouting Combine Recap

Sunday

3-8 NBC Sports: Live Draft Coverage

8-10:30 NHL Network: Live Draft Coverage


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 02:35 PM

Please explain why they don't deserve 4 each? My Father is a STH, he has 4 seats he splits with 3 other people, so there's 4 people total. Why don't they all deserve 1 ticket? From my understanding, their acct only was guaranteed 2 tickets. Any extras were given only after they gauged interest with the contest, or so it seemed to me.

 

They were able to request 4 more before the contest. Case in point, my friend Mark has 2 season tickets in club. He was able to request 4 tickets + the 2 he already receives before the contest, then he won the contest too. He now has 8 tickets while his STH plan is 2 game seats.

 

I'm not complaining at all about what STHs received nor that they took what they were offered, but it would've been a lot more fair to all if STHs were guaranteed 1 for each seat they pay for, so your dad and his friends all together should receive 4. The option to request more should not have been provided IMO. Get what you pay for and if you want more go the same route everyone else had to.

 

W/E now. Whats done is done. My only complaint has been the Devils could've done it a lot better. I'm sick of reading it and talking about it so going to stop now unless theres misinformation. 


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:11 AM

Yay!  I won free tickets for.....Sunday.    Most of the drama will be gone.


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:09 AM

They were able to request 4 more before the contest. Case in point, my friend Mark has 2 season tickets in club. He was able to request 4 tickets + the 2 he already receives before the contest, then he won the contest too. He now has 8 tickets while his STH plan is 2 game seats.

 

Ok yeah, that seems a little much. I would either say that was an isolated error or oversight by the Devils or whatever system they're using or I'll be fair and say those club seats are expensive as hell compared to my upper corners, so they felt like they'd throw him a few extra.


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:11 AM

Yay!  I won free tickets for.....Sunday.    Most of the drama will be gone

 

The draft isn't two days this year.


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:35 AM

Yay!  I won free tickets for.....Sunday.    Most of the drama will be gone.

 

haha its only sunday


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:40 PM

Interesting piece here, again, from Copper And Blue:

 

http://www.coppernbl...tive-plus-minus


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:41 PM

Yay!  I won free tickets for.....Sunday.    Most of the drama will be gone.

 

It's only a one-day draf.... I mean... yeah, that sucks, you should just get rid of that ticket. Want me to throw it away for you?


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:52 PM

What I originally read was round #1 on Saturday starting at 8pm and Sunday at 3pm.


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:54 PM

Interesting piece here, again, from Copper And Blue:

http://www.coppernbl...tive-plus-minus


To talk micro from that macro, is that list that helpful on individual player comparison? For example, apparently Monahan's team is garbage so he should have an easier time generating a positive relative +/- than a guy who plays on a team with a good 2nd line.

Basically, since the list is so team dependent, is he justified in bumping up or dropping down players due to that lost. Based on that article, I would say no.

What I originally read was round #1 on Saturday starting at 8pm and Sunday at 3pm.


It all got condensed, you've got tickets to the whole draft.

What's also fun, free agency "talking" starts the next day so the twitter rumor mill should be cranking double hard.
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Posted 24 June 2013 - 04:15 PM

Does anyone know which players were invited to NJ after the combine? beside Hagg/Lazar. Wonder if TG knows but wasn't allowed to say? 


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:39 PM

To talk micro from that macro, is that list that helpful on individual player comparison? For example, apparently Monahan's team is garbage so he should have an easier time generating a positive relative +/- than a guy who plays on a team with a good 2nd line.

Basically, since the list is so team dependent, is he justified in bumping up or dropping down players due to that lost. Based on that article, I would say no.
 

 

A comparable situation would be Couturier. He was on a pretty eh team, still went fairly high, but at one point was the #1 rated guy. I think it could go either way with Monahan. He could fall a few spots, but I would base that more on teams rating other players higher or drafting for a specific need not because he played for a weaker team.


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 01:23 AM

I thought it would be fun to look over the Devils drafts since the 04-05 lockout to see if there were any trends. Here are where their picks came from each year:

2012
7 players - 1 USNTDP, 2 WHL, 3 OHL, 1 BCHL
Played in NHL: Matteau

2011
6 players - 1 Sweden, 1 USHL, 2 USNTDP, 1 WHL, 1 USHS
Played in NHL: Larsson

2010
5 players - 1 USNTDP, 1 OHL, 1 USHS, 1 QMJHL, 1 Switzerland
Played in NHL: N/A

2009
7 players - 2 Sweden, 2 QMJHL, 1 USHL, 1 AJHL, 1 BCHL
Played in NHL: Josefson, Gelinas, Urbom,

2008
9 players - 1 Sweden, 1 OPJHL, 2 QMJHL, 3 OHL, 1 WHL, 1 USNTDP
Played in NHL: Tedenby, Cormier, Henrique

2007
6 players - 1 USNTDP, 2 OHL, 1 BCHL, 1 Finland, 1 WHL
Played in NHL: Palmieri, Halischuk

2006
8 players - 1 OHL, 3 Russia, 1 BCHL, 2 QMJHL, 1 AtJHL
Played in NHL: Corrente, Vasyunov, Zharkov, Magnan

2005
7 players - 2 Sweden, 1 USNTDP, 2 OHL, 1 USHS, 1 WHL
Played in NHL: Bergfors, Frazee, Fraser, Davis, Fayne

Note: Obviously recent draft classes won't have as many players who've tasted the NHL. Even a draft as far back as 2007 could yield another player if McPherson makes it in a year or so. I really just added this part in for fun.

- Devils have drafted 25 players from the major junior. Breaking down to 6 WHL, 12 OHL, and 7 QMJHL players. They've only gone to the QMJHL once in the past 3 years as opposed to the WHL 3 times and OHL 4 times.

- Devils have drafted 7 players out of the USNTDP in 6 out of these 8 drafts, including 4 players in the past 3 drafts.

- Devils have drafted 9 players from non-major junior leagues in 6 of the past 8 drafts.

- Devils have drafted 11 players out of Europe with 2012 the only time they didn't select one. Breaks down to 6 Swedes, 1 Swiss, 1 Finn, and 3 Russians (all same draft - 06).

- Devils have drafted 3 players from US High Schools with polar opposite results, Fayne vs. Faust + Daly.

Note: Only having 4 picks will be the Devils least amount ever in their draft history, unless they add more.


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 07:59 AM

This is kind of off-topic, I guess, but it looks like this is the best thread to ask the question in:

Do we expect the Stanley Cup to be on display somewhere in the arena on Sunday?


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 10:32 AM

Lesson learned from the Goats post:  Avoid #1 picks from Sweden.


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 10:46 AM

Lesson learned from the Goats post:  Avoid #1 picks from Sweden.

 

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 10:52 AM

Lesson learned from the Goats post:  Avoid #1 picks from Sweden.

 

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 10:54 AM

Lesson learned from the Goats post:  Avoid #1 picks from Sweden.

 

I don't think this is entirely fair. I would not be angry if we took Elias Lindholm, but I also would like to avoid a Swede for two reasons. One is that we have not had a whole lot of luck with them. I don't think anyone is ready to sour on Larsson and anyone that is, is rather foolish. Second is that if you look at the last few drafts top 15's quite a few Swedes have been taken, but none of them have really had an impact yet aside from possibly Zibanejad w/ 2009 providing possibly the best crop of Swedes taken in the top 15 picks thus far (Hedman, Ekman-Larsson, and Paajarvi to a lesser extent). Most of the rest have just not made the transition yet.

 

I'd rather take a guy that is going to adjust to the game quicker because we're gonna need whomever we draft to have an impact sooner rather than later. I dont think anyone is prepared to have to wait 4 years for a guy to get here and be meaningful. I'd like to see whomever we take ready immediately or next year, but if it takes a little longer and the guy is worth the wait, so be it.


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