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#121 NJDevs4978

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:24 PM

Weren't the Kings supposedly in on Redden even before Greene got hurt? Maybe they will be looking for another D.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

Willie Mitchell is also out I believe.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

I didn't want to start a whole thread about this, but what about trading Volchenkhov to the Rangers? (I know it'll never happen, but a full day until the next game).

He might waive his NTC if he doesn't have to move his family, and the Rags need another NHL defenseman in the worst way. It doesn't hurt that he's a shot locker. JT Miller or Brian Boyle in return?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

I didn't want to start a whole thread about this, but what about trading Volchenkhov to the Rangers? (I know it'll never happen, but a full day until the next game).

He might waive his NTC if he doesn't have to move his family, and the Rags need another NHL defenseman in the worst way. It doesn't hurt that he's a shot locker. JT Miller or Brian Boyle in return?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:25 PM

Have the Devils ever traded with the Rangers?

I'm sure they have..but I can't think of one.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

I didn't want to start a whole thread about this, but what about trading Volchenkhov to the Rangers? (I know it'll never happen, but a full day until the next game).

He might waive his NTC if he doesn't have to move his family, and the Rags need another NHL defenseman in the worst way. It doesn't hurt that he's a shot locker. JT Miller or Brian Boyle in return?



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

Have the Devils ever traded with the Rangers?

I'm sure they have..but I can't think of one.

You can't think of one because there's never been one- Devs have never traded with the Rangers.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:43 PM

I didn't want to start a whole thread about this, but what about trading Volchenkhov to the Rangers? (I know it'll never happen, but a full day until the next game).

He might waive his NTC if he doesn't have to move his family, and the Rags need another NHL defenseman in the worst way. It doesn't hurt that he's a shot locker. JT Miller or Brian Boyle in return?


The Rangers can't commit any money long-term to dicey propositions like Anton Volchenkov. They are a young cheap team with 4 giant contracts (Lundqvist, Gaborik, Nash, Richards). But they will be neither young nor cheap pretty soon. I guess your idea is that they would amnesty buy him out at the end of the season but there are far superior options to spending $10 million for a half season of Anton Volchenkov. Sure would be a Tortorella favorite though, huh?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:44 PM

You can't think of one because there's never been one- Devs have never traded with the Rangers.


Wasn't there a small one in the 80's? Very early in the devils time in jersey?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:09 PM

I think the last trade between the Rags and this organization was the Barry Beck deal when they were still the Rockies
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:12 PM

Wasn't there a small one in the 80's? Very early in the devils time in jersey?

Negative sir.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

The Rangers can't commit any money long-term to dicey propositions like Anton Volchenkov. They are a young cheap team with 4 giant contracts (Lundqvist, Gaborik, Nash, Richards). But they will be neither young nor cheap pretty soon. I guess your idea is that they would amnesty buy him out at the end of the season but there are far superior options to spending $10 million for a half season of Anton Volchenkov. Sure would be a Tortorella favorite though, huh?

I lol'd at this.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:50 PM

The Rangers can't commit any money long-term to dicey propositions like Anton Volchenkov. They are a young cheap team with 4 giant contracts (Lundqvist, Gaborik, Nash, Richards). But they will be neither young nor cheap pretty soon. I guess your idea is that they would amnesty buy him out at the end of the season but there are far superior options to spending $10 million for a half season of Anton Volchenkov. Sure would be a Tortorella favorite though, huh?


They could amnesty Gaborik, next year is the last year of his deal anyway. That might happen anyway, if he ends up with something like 15 goals, or if the Rangers powerplay does not bust out this year like it's supposed to with him on it. Even with him though, they're not in cap hell next year, especially since they could amnesty two players in the 1.5 to 2.5 million range, like Rupp, Piatt or Strahlman.

Volchenkov's deal is not an albatross right now. After this year, it's three years with a $4.5 million cap hit for player that's 30 right now, which is not that bad.

If it weren't the Rangers, it wouldn't be that implausible. The absence of legitimate third-pairing defensemen could rear its ugly head in a few weeks to the extent it hasn't already. Torts more or less admitted that Stu Bickel is not an NHL defenseman. There's a first time for everything.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:02 PM

They could amnesty Gaborik, next year is the last year of his deal anyway. That might happen anyway, if he ends up with something like 15 goals, or if the Rangers powerplay does not bust out this year like it's supposed to with him on it. Even with him though, they're not in cap hell next year, especially since they could amnesty two players in the 1.5 to 2.5 million range, like Rupp, Piatt or Strahlman.


The Rangers already used one of their amnesty buyouts on Redden, they only have one left.

Volchenkov's deal is not an albatross right now. After this year, it's three years with a $4.5 million cap hit for player that's 30 right now, which is not that bad.


It's pretty bad. Volchenkov is still a capable defender but the Devils don't use him the way I thought they would. Salvador has somehow taken his role. If he were on a team with more cap issues his buyout would be discussed ad nauseam here. But yeah he's out of the top 4 D, and there's 3 more years left on his deal. It could get very ugly. I imagine it may be bought out after next season.

If it weren't the Rangers, it wouldn't be that implausible. The absence of legitimate third-pairing defensemen could rear its ugly head in a few weeks to the extent it hasn't already. Torts more or less admitted that Stu Bickel is not an NHL defenseman. There's a first time for everything.


The Rangers don't care. They played Bickel last year. They are, for some reason, perfectly content to go with 5 defensemen. They traded Erixon during the off-season and ditched Redden this year. They just assume that there won't be any injuries.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:02 PM

I still see Detroit as a possible trade partner. They were up 2-0 on the Blue Jackets now they're down 3-2. I wouldn't mind having Mikael Samuelsson on on our roster. And don't talk to me about his NTC. Daniel is talking about Volch waiving his NTC.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:05 PM

Here's the thing with trading Volchenkov.

He does have a NTC which I'm betting he'd be selective with (yes, I'm sure he'd go to the Rangers) but you're not going to trade for him just to buy him out at the end of the year unless you're dealing another contract and the Devils aren't buying in that situation. While the Devils really need a D for an F swap within the next month, and everyone thinks AV is likely the 6th or 7th best defenseman on the team (fan wise i mean), he provides a different game than any of the other defensemen (well maybe the same as Sal).

As Triumph previously pointed out, he was the anchor of the best PK in history last year. He is positionally solid, hits better than anyone on the team and plays well in the D zone.

I'm open to a deal for him and especially because his contract, while not terrible, is the least favorable of the Devils D contracts (but that's because they're all pretty good to begin with).
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:06 PM

I still see Detroit as a possible trade partner. They were up 2-0 on the Blue Jackets now they're down 3-2. I wouldn't mind having Mikael Samuelsson on on our roster. And don't talk to me about his NTC. Daniel is talking about Volch waiving his NTC.

Meh. Samuelsson is like 80. I'd want at least a second too if we're giving up Greene or Tallinder for him

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:08 PM

Tallinder is probably going to be the one sent in a deal.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:09 PM

Meh. Samuelsson is like 80. I'd want at least a second too if we're giving up Greene or Tallinder for him


Well they're tied now but with all the Swedes Samuelsson would be nice. He did really well with the Sedins.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:11 PM

The Rangers already used one of their amnesty buyouts on Redden, they only have one left.



It's pretty bad. Volchenkov is still a capable defender but the Devils don't use him the way I thought they would. Salvador has somehow taken his role. If he were on a team with more cap issues his buyout would be discussed ad nauseam here. But yeah he's out of the top 4 D, and there's 3 more years left on his deal. It could get very ugly. I imagine it may be bought out after next season.



The Rangers don't care. They played Bickel last year. They are, for some reason, perfectly content to go with 5 defensemen. They traded Erixon during the off-season and ditched Redden this year. They just assume that there won't be any injuries.


Completely forgot about Redden.

Instead of the Rangers being "content" with five defensemen (it's really four, since Strahlman is a poor man's Kurtis Foster if that's possible), it's more precise to say that they were willing to roll the dice. Re Erixon, they were obsessed with getting their superstar without having to trade Kreider -- their supposed next superstar. By process of elimination that required Erixson to be part of the deal since McIlrath is a complete joke of a prospect. If their third pairing continues to get torched even in the 7 to 10 minutes of ice time it gets in the next six weeks, we'll see how content they really are.

Carp, he'd more plausibly waive his NTC to go to a team where he wouldn't have to move his family.
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