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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:51 PM

I can't believe Rex is this moronic to let ANOTHER bad QB ruin his tenure.  I know he was a Sanchez fanboy but I have to believe they're going with Geno because he's being told to play him from on high (Idzik).


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:51 PM

I don't think Rex would risk the season switching at this point.
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Posted 24 November 2013 - 03:53 PM

Parcells would have switched QB's by now, he did the same thing with Foley/O'Donnell when the team was around .500 at the halfway point, then the same thing earlier the next year with Vinny/Foley.  Even Herm pulled the plug on Vinny and went with the 'unknown' Chad in 2002 and that won them a division.  When you're literally doing nothing and have been doing nothing for weeks, what's the point of staying status quo?


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:06 PM

lol three of the five worst QB ratings this season are from Geno (the others were Kapernick and Gabbert, once each).  Is that not an indictment or what?


And 50% completion percentage, 1 TD and 10 INT's in his last 5 games...I don't think even Sanchez had a streak that bad :blink:


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:10 PM

lol three of the five worst QB ratings this season are from Geno (the others were Kapernick and Gabbert, once each).  Is that not an indictment or what?


And 50% completion percentage, 1 TD and 10 INT's in his last 5 games...I don't think even Sanchez had a streak that bad :blink:

 

I don't think so either...though he did have that 5 pick game against Buffalo so maybe he had a similar streak, but never THAT BAD


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:12 PM

Packers pulled their QB down 23-7 and tied the game.  Who knew you could actually pull a QB and get positive results :P


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 10:45 PM

The experiment is over. He is not an NFL qb. He will never be. Matt Simms should be the starter for the rest of the season simply because he deserves a look and can't possibly be worse than this.


..depending on how much stock you put in Florio, Matt Simms will indeed start next week against the Dolphins. Geno Smith simply can't play in windy\cold weather.. and with three of the next four games in MetLife, the move needed to be made.

The Jets have Miami & Oakland on tap over the next two weeks. Let's see how the next two games go before determining where this team is heading. I think everyone would've signed up for 5-6 at the start of the year. If Simms can galvanize some wins together, then who the hell knows.
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Posted 24 November 2013 - 10:48 PM

..depending on how much stock you put in Florio, Matt Simms will indeed start next week against the Dolphins. Geno Smith simply can't play in windycold weather.. and with three of the next four games in MetLife, the move needed to be made.

The Jets have Miami & Oakland on tap over the next two weeks. Let's see how the next two games go before determining where this team is heading. I think everyone would've signed up for 5-6 at the start of the year. If Simms can galvanize some wins together, then who the hell knows.


Awesome. Just when I thought maybe the Phins would have some kind of break playing against a QB with no confidence, it looks like we'll be facing a competent QB. Those QBs eat the Phins alive.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 10:55 PM

Awesome. Just when I thought maybe the Phins would have some kind of break playing against a QB with no confidence, it looks like we'll be facing a competent QB. Those QBs eat the Phins alive.


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Matt Simms is still an unknown though. We have blind faith because well...that's all we have. The only thing we know about him is he has a cannon arm. Maybe a better QB pedigree growing up in a household where he was doing this since birth. Still didn't help someone like Todd Marinovich

 

The Jets still have no answers for Hartline/Wallace and no way to block the Dolphins D-Line. This game will be ugly, probably of the 19-9 variety or something


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 10:58 PM

..depending on how much stock you put in Florio, Matt Simms will indeed start next week against the Dolphins. Geno Smith simply can't play in windy\cold weather.. and with three of the next four games in MetLife, the move needed to be made.

The Jets have Miami & Oakland on tap over the next two weeks. Let's see how the next two games go before determining where this team is heading. I think everyone would've signed up for 5-6 at the start of the year. If Simms can galvanize some wins together, then who the hell knows.

 

yea. I'm just thinking there is no possible way they play any worse than today. Plus they'll be at home where they do tend to play much better. I hope Simms ball can cut through the wind a bit better. if Kerley can come back and give us an underneath option...that would really help.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:08 PM

Matt Simms is still an unknown though. We have blind faith because well...that's all we have. The only thing we know about him is he has a cannon arm. Maybe a better QB pedigree growing up in a household where he was doing this since birth. Still didn't help someone like Todd Marinovich

The Jets still have no answers for Hartline/Wallace and no way to block the Dolphins D-Line. This game will be ugly, probably of the 19-9 variety or something


The answer to Hartline/Wallace is the answer every team has against the Dolphins. Let Tannehill beat himself.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:20 PM

Any Jet CB trying to cover any semi-competent NFL receiver is a scary proposition.  Cromartie has to be hurt, he couldn't have gone from one of the best corners in the league last year to completely below average overnight.  And Dee Milliner, forget it.  He couldn't cover Rex running patterns.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:49 PM

I'm just thinking there is no possible way they play any worse than today.
Plus they'll be at home where they do tend to play much better. I hope Simms ball can cut through the wind a bit better. if Kerley can come back and give us an underneath option...that would really help.



..if for nothing else, they'll sit Smith next week, because they won't want the Jets mob to boo him off the field.
4-7 at this point four years ago bro, and it happened! We're not dead yet!
The Jets are still tied for the final wildcard @ 5-6, and are still in this thing. Granted SD won a close game to KC today, but with a Chiefs rematch still left on the schedule, aswell as Denver & Cincinnati, they won't get to 9 wins. Same goes for the Titans. They have the Broncos and a pissed off Indianapolis team to go through over the next 2 weeks, and three out of their next four games on the road. Baltimore has New England, Cincinnati & Detroit. You can go on and on. Throughout all the AFC teams in the hunt, it's TOUGH to see anyone getting 4 more wins of their final 5 games. The Jets are different. They have the teams on the table. They have the wins right there, they just have to take them. There's no longer room for error.. and it starts with these next 2 games. Let Carolina beat us.. that's fine. But we need to take 4 wins from the teams that we should. Cleveland has the 30th ranked o-line in the NFL.. Oakland @ 31st.. Miami @ 32nd. The defense will continue to be there for the Jets. They'll continue to pressure and sack the QB, they just need help from the offense. Geno's got 1 TD pass & 10 interceptions over the last six games. How much worse can Simms do??

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:54 PM

Indy's been shot since Reggie Wayne got hurt.  If there was any real threat in their division they'd actually blow it but the Titans with Ryan Fitzpatrick aren't scaring anyone.  

 

And you're forgetting the team I think is probably gonna wind up grabbing the playoff spot when it's all said and done - PITTSBURGH.  They've come out of nowhere to win five of seven and are playing very well.  They have a tough schedule too granted, but at this point it might only take 8-8 to make the playoffs anyway and they have eminently winnable games at home against Miami and the Browns.  True, they also have to play the Bengals at home and the Ravens/Packers on the road...the Raven game is going to be a lot bigger for both teams than it looked two weeks ago.  But if they win both of those division games nobody's beating them out.  If they win one of the two they have a shot.  I'm assuming they lose to the Packers because Rodgers'll be back by then.


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 07:55 AM

..if for nothing else, they'll sit Smith next week, because they won't want the Jets mob to boo him off the field.
4-7 at this point four years ago bro, and it happened! We're not dead yet!
The Jets are still tied for the final wildcard @ 5-6, and are still in this thing. Granted SD won a close game to KC today, but with a Chiefs rematch still left on the schedule, aswell as Denver & Cincinnati, they won't get to 9 wins. Same goes for the Titans. They have the Broncos and a pissed off Indianapolis team to go through over the next 2 weeks, and three out of their next four games on the road. Baltimore has New England, Cincinnati & Detroit. You can go on and on. Throughout all the AFC teams in the hunt, it's TOUGH to see anyone getting 4 more wins of their final 5 games. The Jets are different. They have the teams on the table. They have the wins right there, they just have to take them. There's no longer room for error.. and it starts with these next 2 games. Let Carolina beat us.. that's fine. But we need to take 4 wins from the teams that we should. Cleveland has the 30th ranked o-line in the NFL.. Oakland @ 31st.. Miami @ 32nd. The defense will continue to be there for the Jets. They'll continue to pressure and sack the QB, they just need help from the offense. Geno's got 1 TD pass & 10 interceptions over the last six games. How much worse can Simms do??

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I know you're always as optimistic as possible (which is not a bad way to be), but 5-6 teams are not created equal.  Jets did a hell of a job to get to 5-4 in their first nine, and did a hell of a job beating NO and NE, but now the Jets are just screwed from a tiebreaker standpoint...3 teams in the #6 seed mix now hold a head-to-head tie-breaker edge over the Jets (Ravens, Titans, and Steelers).  Jets conference record is awful (2-6).  There's a reason why they're 5th out of 6th 5-6 teams...if they had gone 0-3 in out-of-conference games and not 3-0, I could understand you being optimistic.  But unfortunately, as the 2008 Patriots (11-5) found out, there's such a thing as winning the wrong games on the schedule (Pats went 4-0 against the NFC that year, and lost on tiebreakers to Miami and Baltimore based on conference record).   

 

Your team is now -101 in point differential, and the QB play has pretty much been the worst in the league for weeks now...too much for the Jets defense to overcome (who have to be getting tired).  Who exactly are "should beat" teams for the Jets at this point?   

 

If the Jets go 4-1, or even 3-2, then the Jets should sign Rex to an extension the very second the regular season comes to an end (I think he's already earned it anyway...he'll get criticized if he sticks with Smith, but if he chooses Simms, then he probably has to stick with him for the rest of the season...which I'm sure is not what the organization wants...Rex is in a very tough spot here).  Even with all of the optimistic, best-case scenarios in the world, it's just really hard to make a case for a team that averages 16.9 PPG (15.1 PPG in their last 6) and looks like it may be changing QBs to boot, and I've been very complimentary towards the Jets overall...I think Rex has really done a terrific job getting as much as he has out of this team, from a strict wins and losses standpoint.  Yeah, anything can happen...and the Jets have a schedule that's forgiving as any, especially in their remaining conference games...but 4-1 seems like a very hard sell.         


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 08:41 AM

I know you're always as optimistic as possible (which is not a bad way to be), but 5-6 teams are not created equal. Jets did a hell of a job to get to 5-4 in their first nine, and did a hell of a job beating NO and NE, but now the Jets are just screwed from a tiebreaker standpoint...3 teams in the #6 seed mix now hold a head-to-head tie-breaker edge over the Jets (Ravens, Titans, and Steelers). Jets conference record is awful (2-6). There's a reason why they're 5th out of 6th 5-6 teams...if they had gone 0-3 in out-of-conference games and not 3-0, I could understand you being optimistic. But unfortunately, as the 2008 Patriots (11-5) found out, there's such a thing as winning the wrong games on the schedule (Pats went 4-0 against the NFC that year, and lost on tiebreakers to Miami and Baltimore based on conference record).

Your team is now -101 in point differential, and the QB play has pretty much been the worst in the league for weeks now...too much for the Jets defense to overcome (who have to be getting tired). Who exactly are "should beat" teams for the Jets at this point?
If the Jets go 4-1, or even 3-2, then the Jets should sign Rex to an extension the very second the regular season comes to an end (I think he's already earned it anyway...he'll get criticized if he sticks with Smith, but if he chooses Simms, then he probably has to stick with him for the rest of the season...which I'm sure is not what the organization wants...Rex is in a very tough spot here). Even with all of the optimistic, best-case scenarios in the world, it's just really hard to make a case for a team that averages 16.9 PPG (15.1 PPG in their last 6) and looks like it may be changing QBs to boot, and I've been very complimentary towards the Jets overall...I think Rex has really done a terrific job getting as much as he has out of this team, from a strict wins and losses standpoint. Yeah, anything can happen...and the Jets have a schedule that's forgiving as any, especially in their remaining conference games...but 4-1 seems like a very hard sell.


..right now the Jets are, in a lot of ways, the victims of their own early success. If they were 5-6 @ this point, having crawled up from 3-6, people would be praising their fortitude. But as you said winning 5 games as early as they did raised expectations.
Starting Simms will help. Smith's lost out there, and his confidence is shot. He must be looking really bad in the practices between games, because there's a HUGE problem when the OC & HC are afraid to let the quarterback throw the ball. This is the perfect opportunity to go in another direction @ QB, because the next 2 games are at home.. and the guy going in has no gametape for the opposing teams to study. Will Geno eventually be a quality quarterback? -not sure. He may need an entire season to just watch and learn. But if Rex continues to play him, I actually think he'll be making it worse\harder on him.

Looking at the other 5-6 teams makes my head hurt.. and truth-be-told, I have no idea who to root for on Thanksgiving. Will it take a miracle in absolutely everything breaking the right way for the Jets to get in? -yes. But I still think this team isn't that far off the track in where their trajectory was back in Week 9. They were supposed to beat the Bills, they weren't supposed to be a desperate Baltimore team on the road. The good news is that the teams they're about to play, are more headcase than the Jets.. and 3 of the next 4 are home.
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Posted 25 November 2013 - 09:23 AM

I actually think it's pretty simple (simple, though not easy)...just win the remainder of your conference games (if they lose the Carolina game, like you said, so be it).  Doing that would give the Jets a 9-7 overall record, a 6-6 conference record (not so good) and a 4-2 division record (the two games against Miami are key...Jets have to put themselves to break a tie with one of these "in the mix for six" teams).  There's so many other teams at 5-6, I don't think the Jets should really worry about them. 

 

Jets are probably fvcked if they're 8-8 (hard to think one of the teams they don't hold a tiebreaker against won't make it to 8-8), but if they can get to 9-7 (preferably by winning all over their remaining conference games), that probably gets them in. 

 

As far as Geno goes, he's shown at least some flashes (some guys never even do that).  If I'm Rex, I probably bench him, but I'm guessing they can't be that impressed with Simms if they haven't gone to him already...and like I said, I get the feeling the decision may not be 100% his to make.    


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 05:10 PM

One of the main problems vis-a-vis the other 5-6 teams in the playoff hunt is so many teams have the tiebreaker on us (Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Tennessee).  9-7 won't even be enough if any one of them go 9-7 and it's hard to conceive of this team winning four out of five as it is with the QB play and the secondary the way it is.


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 05:28 PM

Rex said Geno Smith is starting.


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 05:30 PM

Rex said Geno Smith is starting.


Great news from the Phins standpoint. If we win, great. If we lose to Geno, it'll at least give us a sense of where we stand.


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