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Posted 02 December 2013 - 03:37 PM

Apparently Geno Smith is getting the start against Oakland.

 

He's not getting any help from his receiving core, but he's not helping himself either.  Oakland may be the worst pass defense left on his schedule, so if he's going to hold onto the gig with any regularity, he needs to come out and play well vs. Oakland, even if "playing well" means staying within himself and making the plays he can make.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 03:42 PM

Rex has gotten perhaps THE worst QB play in the NFL (the only team I can think of that's gotten worse performance out of that position is Jacksonville) the last two seasons.  How much of that should really fall on him? 

 

Mark Sanchez.. Kellen Clemens.. Mark Brunell.. Tim Tebow.. Greg McElroy.. Geno Smith.. Matt Simms.. and now, possibly David Garrard this Sunday.

 

..those are the quarterbacks that have played regular season games for the Jets under Ryan, since 2009. Not pre-season.. REGULAR season! Can the front office please give the son-of-a-bitch someone?! Anyone!? Is that so much to ask, before they show the fvcker the door?!?!? There's going to be a thousand QB's up for grabs via trade come March. Michael Vick, Matt Schaub, Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Sam Bradford, Carson Palmer.. I'LL TAKE ANYONE!!!!! ANY-FVCKING-BODY AT ALL!!!! Can I at least see what the man can do with a LEGIT QB, BEFORE I DECIDE IF HE'S A GOOD HC????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 03:57 PM

Carson and Ben aren't leaving. Vick is to injury prone. Cutler is to as well and thats if Chicago leaves him go
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Posted 02 December 2013 - 04:22 PM

Mark Sanchez.. Kellen Clemens.. Mark Brunell.. Tim Tebow.. Greg McElroy.. Geno Smith.. Matt Simms.. and now, possibly David Garrard this Sunday.

 

..those are the quarterbacks that have played regular season games for the Jets under Ryan, since 2009. Not pre-season.. REGULAR season! Can the front office please give the son-of-a-bitch someone?! Anyone!? Is that so much to ask, before they show the fvcker the door?!?!?

 

 

A part of me agrees...but Rex has made no bones about the fact he doesn't really want to get involved in the offense too much anyway.  Especially now with Morningweg around (a legit offensive mind).  It would be nice to have some weapons period.  The skill position players the last two years have been a joke as well.  

 

Where the QB thing hinders Rex the most is it affects the defense when they're constantly on the field, working with short fields and with basically zero margin for error.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 04:35 PM

Beez, Ryan was clearly set up to fail this season. Idzik doesn't want him as his HC. Coming into the season, I think the feeling was, if the Jets win 4 or 5 games, it's OK by the fans if Rex gets canned. But now, even if the Jets lose out, with Smith's play hitting a Ryan Leaf-like low, almost everyone is saying that NO head coach could get much more out of this team than Rex has. I think he has a lot more allies now, who sympathize with his plight, and want to see what he could do with a middle-of-the-road QB or better (which he's never really had, though Sanchez at least showed the ability to play well in big games early in his career).  


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 04:40 PM

A total Jet move would be to draft Manziel.  Wouldn't be a bad idea, but I don't think he'll be around.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 01:05 PM

Hearing Rex's Press conference and listening to his rationale on starting Geno again, leads me to believe he started to tune out his own speeches. I think he is done in NY.
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Posted 03 December 2013 - 01:08 PM

Idzik wins.  Rex will get another job.   


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 02:28 PM

Rex's biggest failure in recruiting, was not being able to convince Brett Favre to return in 2009. The Jets would've won the Superbowl that season.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 03:11 PM

Rex's biggest failure in recruiting, was not being able to convince Brett Favre to return in 2009. The Jets would've won the Superbowl that season.

 

This is a stretch.  I get what you're doing...you're basically saying that Sanchez had weak numbers that season yet the Jets managed to go to the AFC Conference Championship game, while Favre had a very eye-friendly season with the Vikings, so you're subbing in Favre for Sanchez and assuming it would've resulted in a Super Bowl win.

 

Favre had 22 TDs and 22 picks with the Jets in 2008...not so sure he necessarily would've done much better as a Jet in 2009...just because he played well with the Vikings doesn't mean he would've done the same with the Jets.  And as we all know, Favre was prone to making bad throws and mistakes throughout his career.  He was such an unpredictable wild-card throughout his whole career, really (and has the 336 INTs in 302 regular season games to prove it).  I can't assume any team with Favre is a lock to win a Super Bowl.  Guy played 19 seasons where he was his team's starting QB, and his teams got there twice and won once.   

 

Also, after he got to his second Super Bowl (the loss to Denver), he went 4-7 in his next 11 playoff games (never winning more than one playoff game in any of his next seven postseasons), throwing 21 TDs and 20 INTs.  His numbers in the losses were especially putrid (11 TDs, 19 INTs).  Three of those losses came at home.  There's not much of a compelling case to suggest that his taking the Jets to a Super Bowl win was a foregone conclusion. 


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 03:22 PM

I don't think there was any way to keep Favre another year anyway, he had a bug up his butt about the Packers and wanted to go to Minnesota for a year, it was either Vikings or retire for him that offseason.
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Posted 03 December 2013 - 03:32 PM

I don't think there was any way to keep Favre another year anyway, he had a bug up his butt about the Packers and wanted to go to Minnesota for a year, it was either Vikings or retire for him that offseason.

 

This too, he used the Jets to get away from the Packers so he could later play for Minnesota and get back at Green Bay.  One thing Favre definitely was NOT in his later years was likable.  And even worse, ESPN treated the NFL's greatest compiler like he was the Michael Jordan of NFL QBs.  Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are light years ahead of him, in terms of ability, as are some select others, but ESPN was trying to make him out to be the best ever, which simply isn't remotely true.   


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 06:17 PM

And in potentially relevant Jets news, Mariotta is staying at Oregon.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:09 PM

Rex's biggest failure in recruiting, was not being able to convince Brett Favre to return in 2009. The Jets would've won the Superbowl that season.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:09 AM

Lol Rex said the draft class they picked he graded it a A+. Lol living in fantasy world. The best pick was Richardson and that's it really.
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Posted 05 December 2013 - 04:09 AM

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 04:59 PM

Well the Jets kept their season on life support today by beating Oakland 37-27. Didn't get much help elsewhere around the league though

 

Currently we need Tennessee and SD to lose

 

The offense looked better with Kerley in there. Geno had his usual stupid INT and threw high and wide on some open receivers (who made plays). So ultimately it didn't look like such a bad day statistically. Even the TD pass to Kerley was a bit too risky. He also made some nice plays with some legs.

 

Jets benched Stephen Hill today. Totally inactive. Looks like Dave Nelson is ahead of him on the depth chart now. And he deserves to be, Nelson is proving to be a nice receiver.


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Posted 08 December 2013 - 05:04 PM

Well the Jets kept their season on life support today by beating Oakland 37-27. Didn't get much help elsewhere around the league though

 

Currently we need Tennessee and SD to lose

 

The offense looked better with Kerley in there. 

 

6-3 with Kerley in the lineup, 0-4 without :blink:


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Posted 08 December 2013 - 05:06 PM

6-3 with Kerley in the lineup, 0-4 without :blink:

 

He's a solid slot threat. Runs like the win and catches everything. It is a big difference when he's in there

 

Wish Hill could develop into a deep threat...time is running out on him.


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Posted 08 December 2013 - 05:57 PM

Well the Jets kept their season on life support today by beating Oakland 37-27. Didn't get much help elsewhere around the league though

Currently we need Tennessee and SD to lose

The offense looked better with Kerley in there. Geno had his usual stupid INT and threw high and wide on some open receivers (who made plays). So ultimately it didn't look like such a bad day statistically. Even the TD pass to Kerley was a bit too risky. He also made some nice plays with some legs.

Jets benched Stephen Hill today. Totally inactive. Looks like Dave Nelson is ahead of him on the depth chart now. And he deserves to be, Nelson is proving to be a nice receiver.

hill was healthy? wow says a lot
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