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#41 caron14

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:16 PM

So how is weakening the already weak D going to help?

You need a powerful 2-way forward for a hack Dman.... I see that happening


Hey pepperkorn, the problem is we always sit one of our D.... we dont have the best defenseman yes but we have surplus oof nhl defenceman.

We need to get rid of one to have a forward that's the point... (our offenssive squad is not deep enough we cant play kris barch forever)

With trading one D dont make us better or weaker defensively it just make us trading a spot where we have surplus and sitting out somebody every game for having a forward who actually can play hockey (not a cam janssen or a krys barch)
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#42 Pepperkorn

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:20 PM

I should add I think each of our D has something of value to give to the team. It would be nice if it was all packaged in one guy but it's not. I like Tallinder. I think I can't tell what gives with Volchenkov. Greene is finding his legs as always. Fayne is solid young dude Larsson is still a rookie basically so... Sal is Sal so... there that is.

I call them hacks because as an opposing team looking to deal that's what I'd see them as. If the Devils can't bring out the best in them... why would I as a GM want what they're peddling? It's clear we have weak D -- this isn't a glut of talent OBVIOUSLY.

I'll give you a weak forward with a fatal flaw -- if I'm looking for D the most obvious thing I'm willing to give up is a guy who sucks in his own end. Thus the Devils give up defence for a forward who can't cover gaping holes created by our weak D. It makes absolutely ZERO sense.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:27 PM

Hey pepperkorn, the problem is we always sit one of our D.... we dont have the best defenseman yes but we have surplus oof nhl defenceman.

We need to get rid of one to have a forward that's the point... (our offenssive squad is not deep enough we cant play kris barch forever)

With trading one D dont make us better or weaker defensively it just make us trading a spot where we have surplus and sitting out somebody every game for having a forward who actually can play hockey (not a cam janssen or a krys barch)


Poor logic. You're not going to get a quality forward who can cover for our sh!tty defence giving up basically nothing. If you give up Tallinder you're giving up offensive Dman. I'd rather put Tallinder on wing than get a new untested forward.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:33 PM

So how is weakening the already weak D going to help?

You need a powerful 2-way forward for a hack Dman.... I see that happening

Cause we have at least 2 maybe 3 guys in the lineup playing at the same horrible level. On top of that we have 8 NHL defensemen and a ton of youth coming through the system. Get rid of one of those weaker NHL defensemen and move some youth in and get forward depth to eliviate the pressure on the defensemen. Getting rid of a tallinder or Greene isn't going to make us worse. I think Harrold or Larsson can do what they do easily
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:34 PM

You are replacing most likely Tallinder with Larsson. Freeing up a spot so he can play every game and having Harrold as a reserve.

I see nothing wrong with this. What are we supposed to do? Let the kid wallow around as a scratch?
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:58 PM

Pepperkorn you have a poor logic.... We already have surplus of D and young Defenceman prospect are coming for a lot of year... (Gélinas Urbom Merrill etc...)

Yes you love tallinder as i do but he didnt play last night and i rather see Tallinder or greene trade than healthy scratch one night on 2....

Tallinder have some trade value (we will not get Bobby ryan for him) but i see good forward like Mathieu perreault or nathan Gerbe could be a good deal for us.

I said trade them not giving one of them...

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:01 PM

Pepperkorn you have a poor logic.... We already have surplus of D and young Defenceman prospect are coming for a lot of year... (Gélinas Urbom Merrill etc...)

Yes you love tallinder as i do but he didnt play last night and i rather see Tallinder or greene trade than healthy scratch one night on 2....

Tallinder have some trade value (we will not get Bobby ryan for him) but i see good forward like Mathieu perreault or nathan Gerbe could be a good deal for us.

I said trade them not giving one of them...


Plus I feel Urbom right now is a NHL ready defenseman
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

Urbom, Merill, Gelinas, and Sverson are all defensemen that will be trying to get a spot within the next 1-2 years. We got way to much D to not trade a player for a forward.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

Then why are they not here? Because you're all smarter than Lou? You all know how everyone is playing - what their state of mind is...

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:12 PM

Then why we benched 2 D per game because your logic is awesome?
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:14 PM

Then why are they not here? Because you're all smarter than Lou? You all know how everyone is playing - what their state of mind is...

:doh1:


No offense to you but if you think our current lines are going to be the lines we roll with throughout the entire season you are delusional. A trade will be made it's just a matter of when. If not before trade deadline day then for sure I would expect Lou to be active then.

What if the Butler experiment doesn't work? Even if it does this team needs a top six forward.

I'm sorry I just think you are wrong in assuming no trade will be made for a forward. (especially in trading one of our many d-men)

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

Then why are they not here? Because you're all smarter than Lou? You all know how everyone is playing - what their state of mind is...

:doh1:

They aren't here cause we have 8 guys under NHL level contracts. Some might be ready right now others aren't. But I expect at least 2 of them to get a shot at the team next year. What are the devils ganna do scratch Larsson all year or bury some NHL player in the minors like redden? A trade is so obviously needed it isn't even funny
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#53 Pepperkorn

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

No offense to you but if you think our current lines are going to be the lines we roll with throughout the entire season you are delusional. A trade will be made it's just a matter of when. If not before trade deadline day then for sure I would expect Lou to be active then.

What if the Butler experiment doesn't work? Even if it does this team needs a top six forward.

I'm sorry I just think you are wrong in assuming no trade will be made for a forward. (especially in trading one of our many d-men)


I'm not assuming it won't be done. I am assuming it can't be right now. I do like your suggestion even of I dont watch the Jets. I'm just sick of coming here every day to read the same old thing. Why dont fans change up their thinking. They can't change the team so change their mindset.

Why not say what's wrong with what we have to better identify what we need? I'd like something NEW besides new bodies to acquire - swap out spare parts for spare parts, You know? It's so stale here. Your's was the only novel plausible suggestion.

The only other responses are "duh we have to make a trade" my how original, nice thinking outside of the box.

IF THERE HAS TO BE A TRADE MADE THEN THIS THREAD IS DONE! IT"S BEEN SAID!!! ENOUGH ALL FECKIN READY. It's so pukey boring and mindless otherwise. Your post aside. Sorry I ignored it until now - I did read and agree in principal.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:16 PM

Urbom, Merill, Gelinas, and Sverson are all defensemen that will be trying to get a spot within the next 1-2 years. We got way to much D to not trade a player for a forward.


yeah it seems to me that every prospect we have on D have bigger upsides that all our current NHL other than Larsson
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:39 PM

yeah it seems to me that every prospect we have on D have bigger upsides that all our current NHL other than Larsson


I really liked a lot of what I saw from Urbom in the few games we've seen(in the NHL). He looked not lost and even had a pretty goal against the Caps, was it last year or the year before? Had the puck all alone in front, maybe a backhand-forehand move and had the whole net to shoot at after that. He's also a big guy if I recall, like 6'2''-6'3'', so that's always a positive. I think between Urbom and Gelinas, we could break someone in this year, though it's tough to put two youngin's into the D-corps at once without taking a decent risk. Definitely would like to see them get some games up here this year.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:16 PM

yeah it seems to me that every prospect we have on D have bigger upsides that all our current NHL other than Larsson


They could easily end up like the Cody Fransons and Luke Schenns of the world so I wouldn't exactly be clearing all the room I can to have 3 of them within the next two years
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:20 PM

They could easily end up like the Cody Fransons and Luke Schenns of the world so I wouldn't exactly be clearing all the room I can to have 3 of them within the next two years


Oh well thats not what i meant either i just meant that there could something promising coming our way. We need production from the blue line thats the NHL, you dont get too far with 6 stay home dmen haha not that its what we have but were certainly not scary from the back end
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:25 AM

The best trade the team can make is practicing the powerplay to the point it is at least in the top 10.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:29 AM

The best trade the team can make is practicing the powerplay to the point it is at least in the top 10.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

The best trade the team can make is practicing the powerplay to the point it is at least in the top 10.

 

i mean what happened to the high shooting powerplay we heard about ? i don't see it at all

 

they wait to have a "perfect shooting occasion" to take a shot but the point is to get puck to the net for a deflection and to create a panic in the defensive zone and make them move


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