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Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:17 PM

Den Dekker will not need surgery...will likely be in a cast for a while though, 4-6 weeks or so

 

The situation with Johan is ridiculous. I was hoping he'd come back and pitch reasonably well so we can get an outfield prospect for him...now I wouldn't be shocked if he's out until the all star break.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:21 AM

Marcum was scratched from his start due to a neck injury and could miss the start of the season. I really liked the signing but on the downside, this is what you get with Marcum. At least it's not arm-related, but still - ugh. If Marcum's injury isn't too serious, the Mets could go with a 4-man rotation due to the Tuesday off day next week and then bring him back after a backdated DL stint.

Jenrry Mejia, who was going to AAA to work as a starter, is also going to be out 6 weeks with elbow inflammation.

Chris Young is opting out of his minor league deal with the Nats today, coincidentally; I could see a reunion happening but I really hope we stay away.

Pedro Feliciano is going to stick with the organization and report to AAA.

Edit: By the way, Howie Rose has a new book out too :lol: :http://www.amazon.co...ords=howie rose

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:28 PM

And now Jeremy Hefner leaves the game after getting hit in the elbow.  :doh1:

 

That's all we need right now.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:33 PM

Not sure Hefner was a guy who was in the Mets' long-term plans anyway, but this is going to look like an expansion team on Opening Day.  If this team is .500 by the end of April, that will be an amazing accomplishment.   


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:48 PM

Not sure Hefner was a guy who was in the Mets' long-term plans anyway, but this is going to look like an expansion team on Opening Day.  If this team is .500 by the end of April, that will be an amazing accomplishment.   

He's not but this is the 2013 season thread and I'm not ready to suddenly concede defeat before the first game is even played, not with the huge error bars that exist in this sport. He was being counted on as the #5 in Santana's absence and potentially the #4 if Marcum is out for a significant time. At this rate it's Niese, Harvey, Gee, and who knows. I hope it's nothing for serious for Hefner and he doesn't miss a start but I smell a Chris Young reunion around the corner. Bleh. 


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 02:48 PM

Agree in that the Mets have to go out and try, especially with some young guys on the team who Mets fans would like to see not indoctrinated into an "accepted losing" kind of culture, but I can't get that upset about Hefner, who probably wasn't going to contribute much anyway.  If Niese, Harvey, or Wheeler go down, that to me is upsetting.  I'll give you that it sucks that the Mets are losing a body when they seem to have precious few. 



Are we all going to try an NJDevs meet at Citi this year? Probably would be best if we did it early in the season before the weather gets hot, though right now it doesn't seem like it'll ever warm up lol

I generally go on Saturday afternoons when I do go these days.

 

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:05 PM

Agree in that the Mets have to go out and try, especially with some young guys on the team who Mets fans would like to see not indoctrinated into an "accepted losing" kind of culture, but I can't get that upset about Hefner, who probably wasn't going to contribute much anyway.  If Niese, Harvey, or Wheeler go down, that to me is upsetting.  I'll give you that it sucks that the Mets are losing a body when they seem to have precious few.

It's not so much about being concerned over Hefner's health (although I don't mean that as harshly as it sounds), it's upsetting in the light that the Mets' already thin starter depth just got even thinner. The season-opening 4th and 5th starters, at this rate, could be Collin McHugh and Darin Gorski, the latter having never thrown a pitch above AA yet. Even with low expectations entering this season, nobody wants to see that. Avoiding being a complete disaster actually has value, believe it or not.

I'd love to be wrong but I'm calling it: Chris Young will be a Met again before the end of the day.

EDIT: Supposedly it's just an elbow contusion for Hefner. That's a bit of a relief, although I haven't seen a timetable put on it.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:44 PM

I heard some anonoymus Met basically ripped the organization in one of the newspapers for acting like a small-market not bringing Wheeler up, since he's obviously the best option at this point and he's only being demoted because the Mets want to keep the extra year on his contract.  Can't say I disagree at all.  

 

I agree with CR in as much as if the Mets aren't going to take 2013 seriously why should anyone blame the fans for not doing so either (if they were taking 2013 seriously Wheeler would be here)?  I agree with nmig in that I don't want to surrender before the first pitch either.  Look at the Orioles/A's last year.  Even staying in the race a 'while' has some value entertainment-wise.  I mean if the Mets are hanging around the periphery of the race I'm more likely to go to 3-4 games by July than I am if they crash and burn with a 7-22 start.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:48 PM

I heard some anonoymus Met basically ripped the organization for acting like a small-market not bringing Wheeler up, since he's obviously the best option at this point.  Can't say I disagree at all. 

Gaining an extra year of control isn't being cheap, it's being smart, but with pitchers this idea is less important due their attrition rates, so I'm also in the minority that wouldn't totally mind seeing Wheeler crack the Opening Day rotation. Don't ever say this on NYFS though, they'll jump on you like starved hounds. :lol:

 

I wouldn't bash the organization for keeping Wheeler down though. This act is commonplace around baseball and like I said, it's a perfectly sound strategy (even if less important to pitchers), not a matter of being cheap.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:52 PM

Gaining an extra year of control isn't being cheap, it's being smart, but with pitchers this idea is less important due their attrition rates, so I'm also in the minority that wouldn't totally mind seeing Wheeler crack the Opening Day rotation. Don't ever say this on NYFS though, they'll jump on you like starved hounds. :lol:

 

Really?  If anything I'd think they'd want the prospects up as soon as possible lol.  There's certainly enough hemming and hawing over there about Marlon Byrd in the outfield, as if there was some big prospect he was stunting.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:59 PM

Really?  If anything I'd think they'd want the prospects up as soon as possible lol.  There's certainly enough hemming and hawing over there about Marlon Byrd in the outfield, as if there was some big prospect he was stunting.

I enjoy the board a lot but yeah the hemming and hawing over little things there is insane. 

 

Regarding Wheeler, I think some of the old timers who could care less about service time would agree, but I can think of at least a handful of regular posters who would flip out if you brought up the idea. With a hitter, I would agree completely, but like I said service time gets overrated with pitchers due to how often they bust or get hurt. 

 

I'm certainly not shedding a tear with Wheeler going to AAA though, even if it's a horrible environment. Scouts have been gaga for him but he's only made 6 starts in AAA and displayed poor control. Another 10 or so starts, which would also conveniently gain an extra year of control, can't hurt.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:00 AM

I heard some anonoymus Met basically ripped the organization in one of the newspapers for acting like a small-market not bringing Wheeler up, since he's obviously the best option at this point and he's only being demoted because the Mets want to keep the extra year on his contract.  Can't say I disagree at all.  

 

I agree with CR in as much as if the Mets aren't going to take 2013 seriously why should anyone blame the fans for not doing so either (if they were taking 2013 seriously Wheeler would be here)?  I agree with nmig in that I don't want to surrender before the first pitch either.  Look at the Orioles/A's last year.  Even staying in the race a 'while' has some value entertainment-wise.  I mean if the Mets are hanging around the periphery of the race I'm more likely to go to 3-4 games by July than I am if they crash and burn with a 7-22 start.

 

I also don't want to surrender before the first pitch in 2013, but the Met organization has made it pretty clear that they pretty much have, in that they haven't really done ANYTHING to try to improve the on-field 2013 product.  And like I've said, I'm OK with that, because, as long as the kids all make some strides this year, in 2014 the Mets could be good enough to compete for the wild card, and could have a nice window of relevance beyond (though it will take some creativity on Sandy's part, as the FA market in 2013 isn't great).  I'm 100% fine with Sandy not trying to bring in half-hearted cosmetic "upgrades", for the sake of possibly winning 80 games or so this season.  It's not that I don't care about the 2013 Mets, it's more that I know that this team has almost no chance of being competitive, as far as being in any races go.  But at least it's not a team of old players who have been together too long, with no kids ready to step in.   

 

As far as going to games goes, as the Mets are almost sure to be also-rans before too long into the season, I'll go to see guys like Harvey and Wheeler.  Hopefully D'Arnaud is up before too long.  The good thing is, there's definitely reasons to go to the ballpark that have nothing to do with the Mets' W-L record. 


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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:05 AM

Pretty good article here, comparing the 1983 Mets to the 2013 Mets:

 

http://risingapple.c...ets-a-parallel/


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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:55 PM

Pretty good article here, comparing the 1983 Mets to the 2013 Mets:

 

http://risingapple.c...ets-a-parallel/

 

nice article...but one big difference is that we don't have a big thumper for the outfield waiting in the wings (strawberry). I was hoping Santana could've been the key element for a trade for such a player


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:11 PM

People were saying Strawberry could be the next Ted Williams at that time...his upside seemed limitless back then.  5-tool was thrown around quite a bit in regards to him. 

 

Santana has little trade value.  He would've needed to have shown himself to be 100% healthy AND effective to have drawn any interest, and even then, I think teams would've been leery of him breaking down in the second half, regardless of how well he might've pitched in the first half.  If he comes back and shows anything before the trade deadline, the Mets would have to pick up just about all of his remaining salary just to get a "meh" prospect.

 

A shame, one of those deals that was a risk because he was hitting his 30s and had some miles on the odometer when he got here, but considering what was given up, it was a risk the Mets had to take.  Just so hard to tell how guys are going to hold up as they get older.  He was a rock in his four years as a full-time starter as a Twin, and his first season here was basically a continuation of that. 


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Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
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Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:30 PM

Really outfield's the only position they have long-term issues at at this point.  But that's a huge vaccum considering they need to fill 'three' spots there.

 

Starting pitching they certainly have young guys and prospects in the wings.  Infield, they have D'Arnaud in the fold now at catcher to go along with Ike-Wright at the corners.  Tejada and Murphy aren't terrible in the infield, they're replaceable but serviceable and young themselves.  Relievers, well it'd be nice to see some younger power arms there too but relievers other than a handful of guys are always year-to-year propositions anyway.

 

 


People were saying Strawberry could be the next Ted Williams at that time...his upside seemed limitless back then.  5-tool was thrown around quite a bit in regards to him. 

 

Santana has little trade value.  He would've needed to have shown himself to be 100% healthy AND effective to have drawn any interest, and even then, I think teams would've been leery of him breaking down in the second half, regardless of how well he might've pitched in the first half.  If he comes back and shows anything before the trade deadline, the Mets would have to pick up just about all of his remaining salary just to get a "meh" prospect.

 

A shame, one of those deals that was a risk because he was hitting his 30s and had some miles on the odometer when he got here, but considering what was given up, it was a risk the Mets had to take.  Just so hard to tell how guys are going to hold up as they get older.  He was a rock in his four years as a full-time starter as a Twin, and his first season here was basically a continuation of that. 

 

Santana was kind of like Pedro, in that he started out great his first couple years then blew up.  Although at least last year Santana revived for long enough to give the franchise a transcendent moment it needed.  Hopefully he remains remembered for that, as opposed to the injuries over the last few years.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:15 PM

Santana was amazing down the stretch of 2008, I will never forget how awesome he was despite the bullpen driving everyone up a wall. He threw that great game vs the Cubs and then came back on short rest against the Marlins and pitched a complete game shutout; despite how that season ended, that game vs the Marlins had to be one of my favorites of all time, and it turned out he did all that on a torn meniscus in his left knee. 

 

Santana, 2008, August-on: 12 starts, 1.87 ERA.

 

He still managed to pitch very well in 2009-2010, even though both were injury-shortened, and I'm at least happy he gave us one last thrill with the no hitter. He'll be gone after this season but I really grew attached to him as a fan, so it's going to suck to see him go even though his career looks to be nearing an end.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

The Mets just announced their rotation for next week:

 

Niese, Harvey, Gee vs San Diego

Hefner, Niese, Marcum vs Miami

 

Tuesday is an off-day so that lets Niese come back on normal rest for the 5th game of the year. So basically the intention sounds like Marcum on the DL until the 7th, with an extra bullpen arm carried in his place. 

 

That would be fantastic if he doesn't even have to miss a start.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:25 PM

I'm kinda half tempted to go next Saturday for the calendar promo and because at least it's Niese pitching...problem being I'm going to the Devils game at 7.  I actually 'could' pull off that double if I really wanted to since the Met game starts at 1, and there's a direct connection from NY Penn to Newark Penn (walking distance from the Rock).  That'd be one long-ass day though :lol:  Not like I always have the chance to double up on the Mets/Devils on a weekend day though.

 

If anything if I had enough time I'd rather take the train back to South Orange (where I park to take the train into NY) then just drive to Newark from there cause I hate the hour layover with the train from Newark Broad Street on the weekends.  Don't really want to drive direct to Citi or back either.


Edited by NJDevs4978, 27 March 2013 - 07:30 PM.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:36 PM

Funny you mention that, I'm actually going on Saturday. I bought the tickets back in December so I don't even remember where the seats are without looking, but I'm pretty sure it's in the promenade reserve level somewhere. Kind of wish I got Opening Day instead, but ah well.

Edited by nmigliore, 27 March 2013 - 07:37 PM.

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