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Posted 20 August 2013 - 09:07 PM

Byrd would be the perfect #4 outfielder for us next year. But if he keeps hitting like this, he'll price himself out of the Mets and land in somebody's top 3.

 

Not so sure.  I think his age and the fact that this is a career-type year will scare most teams off.  I think Passive's hoping he can do this in 2014...I agree on the 4th outfielder observation, but I think Sandy sees him as the Mets' 2014 right fielder.

 

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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 09:23 PM

Not so sure.  I think his age and the fact that this is a career-type year will scare most teams off.  I think Passive's hoping he can do this in 2014...I agree on the 4th outfielder observation, but I think Sandy sees him as the Mets' 2014 right fielder.

 

YEAH TRAVIS!  GOOD FOR YOU!

 

Well if we stick with Byrd in RF, that throws a monkey wrench in the Shin Soo Choo option, since they're both RF's with only a handful of games in LF between them. Would love to get Choo and his .412 obp in the lineup next season

 

Especially with Lagares in center. It's looking like he'll stick there...and he will save some runs but he may top out at Daniel Murphy type OBP.

 

Ike is becoming an intriguing decision. Wouldn't shock me at all if they bring him back if he hits a few more HR's down the stretch and finishes with a .215 ish batting average. Also wouldn't shock me if he carries a .160 batting average into July of 2014 either.

 

Wright was interviewed during the game and was convinced he was coming back this year (said it emphatically as well as to refute what Collins said) however it's August 20th and he hasn't even resumed baseball activities. If we're still in this holding pattern a week from now they should just shut him down. Especially with colder September weather coming


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 09:31 PM

Nice win.  6-6 with four games left in what was looking like a brutal part of the sched.  Mets could still easily lose the next four, but if they go 2-2 over the next four games, I think they did a hell of a job. 

 

Not sure I'd run to Shin Soo Choo...get the feeling someone's going to grossly overpay for him, and he's already 31 years old.  Think I'd rather have Byrd for one year than Choo for 5+.


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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
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Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 09:35 PM

Nice win.  6-6 with four games left in what was looking like a brutal part of the sched.  Mets could still easily lose the next four, but if they go 2-2 over the next four games, I think they did a hell of a job. 

 

Not sure I'd run to Shin Soo Choo...get the feeling someone's going to grossly overpay for him, and he's already 31 years old.  Think I'd rather have Byrd for one year than Choo for 5+.

 

He's always been a steady, consistent hitter with a great eye at the plate. Sure I'm worried about a big dropoff but I'm trying not to let the Bay debacle scare me away.

 

Ellsbury is the guy who scares me.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:36 AM

He's always been a steady, consistent hitter with a great eye at the plate. Sure I'm worried about a big dropoff but I'm trying not to let the Bay debacle scare me away.

 

Ellsbury is the guy who scares me.

 

You could do worse than Choo, but he screams "High-priced free agent to me"...I could see the Mets signing him to a 5-6 year deal, then the deal being bad from Year 3 on.  The guy would definitely be an upgrade over EY though, and he gets on base any way possible...he's been hit by 23 pitches this season...ouch.

 

Mixed-results kind of game for Montero yesterday:  5 IP, 8 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 3 K.  He pitched 122 innings last season and is up to 143.2 this season.  Has to be reaching his limit soon.

 

Carlos Torres looks like he's getting the start against Detroit on Friday, and will remain in the rotation.  This is incredibly stupid on the Mets' part...this start should be going to deGrom.  For one, it is extremely unlikely that Torres has any kind of a future here or anywhere else as a starting pitcher...his future as a major leaguer is going be as a bullpen/swingman type, not as an every-fifth-day guy.   deGrom will probably wind up filling a similar role...but why not find out how he fares against major-league hitters?  Torres is going to be 31 years old...overall he's been pretty good for the Mets, but suffice it to say the guy hasn't managed to stick in the majors, and has shown teasy flashes before.  deGrom is 25...look, he could come up here and suck, and I'll admit that his minor league numbers this year are far from awe-inspiring, but what exactly do the Mets have to lose by giving him a shot?  The Mets will need bodies next season when Mejia and Niese inevitably miss starts.  Might as well find out if deGrom could fill in.   

 

Mejia is done for the season (as he should be...getting surgery within the next 7-10 days), and looks like Hef is getting Tommy John surgery.  Pretty much takes Hef completely out of the Mets' future...he was a longshot to be a part of it anyway, but it's safe to say that there won't be a place for him in the rotation when he comes back (probably not until late 2014, if even that early), and even if he could handle a Torres-type role, the guess here is that the Mets will have found someone to fill that role.  In a league desperate for starting pitching, he'll get a shot somewhere else in time, once he's recovered...he'll be a scrap-heap signing for a Marlins-type team.   

 

Kinda sad how quickly it's turned for him...from being a wonderful surprise to struggling to being injured to missing the rest of this season and likely most, if not all, of next season.

 

Going to be interesting how the offseason works out, if Sandy tries to trade for bats.  If Gee continues to pitch well, I think Sandy will try to make him part of a deal.  But I think GMs are going to go hard after Wheeler or Syndergaard.        


Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 21 August 2013 - 06:45 AM.

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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
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Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:16 PM

Nice start for Niese so far.

 

So Travis gets his first hit, and Terry sits him down for Buck.  Great thinking. 


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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:33 PM

Nice start for Niese so far.

So Travis gets his first hit, and Terry sits him down for Buck. Great thinking.

Eh, day game after night game, and d'Arnaud has started every game he's been up here for. Unfortunate timing, I guess, but I don't see anything wrong with this.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:00 PM

Eh, day game after night game, and d'Arnaud has started every game he's been up here for. Unfortunate timing, I guess, but I don't see anything wrong with this.

 

Suffice it to say d'Arnaud doesn't exactly have a lot of miles on the odometer this season, so the day-game-after-a-night-game thing doesn't mean much here.  No, it's probably not that big a deal in the grand scheme, just would've liked to have seen him get a chance to build off the hit.


Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 21 August 2013 - 02:09 PM.

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan!
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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:04 PM

Good outing by Niese. Looked like he was shaken up after the Heyward hit to the head and the Braves jumped on him. Didn't like the hit and run with the super slow Satin (and Flores went fishing for ball 4)

To be fair Niese threw ball 1 and 2 to Shafer with the bases loaded. Both called strikes.
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:07 PM

Terry's refusal to take out his starting pitcher when he's nearing empty doesn't blow up in his face...this time.  18 K in Niese's last two starts (13 IP).

 

'7', what was the deal with that Heyward pitch?  I'm assuming one that just flat-out got away from Niese?


Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 21 August 2013 - 02:09 PM.

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan!
[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:15 PM

Suffice it to say d'Arnaud doesn't exactly have a lot of miles on the odometer this season, so the day-game-after-a-night-game thing doesn't mean much here.

 

Okay but still, it's a common place move. Who cares? I'm actually surprised d'Arnaud played every game up until this point.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:19 PM

Terry's refusal to take out his starting pitcher when he's nearing empty doesn't blow up in his face...this time.  18 K in Niese's last two starts (13 IP).
 
'7', what was the deal with that Heyward pitch?  I'm assuming one that just flat-out got away from Niese?


Yea...it was a 1-2 pitch too. Heyward looked very woozy...think NHL player after a Stevens hit. Probably concussed.
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:22 PM

Not going to turn this into a major thing, kid finally got his first hit, was probably excited as hell, then has to sit for John Friggin' Buck...like I've said, Buck did about all that could've been expected, and I appreciate that, and I don't kid myself that he's never playing another game, of course he's going to get some ABs.  Timing just seemed a little unfair to d'Arnaud IMO. 

 

Man, it really feels like the only way you're guaranteed a win if you're a Mets' SP is to never give up a run.   

 

Niese is definitely not the headhunter type...I could see him being shaken up after that (as would a lot of pitchers). 


Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 21 August 2013 - 02:23 PM.

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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:06 PM

Thousand times ive seen this game against the Braves
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:07 PM

Once Lagares failed in the clutch, had a feeling something like this was coming.  Oh well, that's why the Braves are who they are, and the Mets are where they are.  At least the Mets are headed the right way.


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[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:14 PM

Wow, saw that Collins finally showed a pulse with regards to an umpire.  About time Terry. 


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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 05:23 PM

Once Lagares failed in the clutch, had a feeling something like this was coming.  Oh well, that's why the Braves are who they are, and the Mets are where they are.  At least the Mets are headed the right way.

 

The call at first is also why we're getting expanded instant replay next year. Much like the Dodgers on that Lagares 3-2 ball 4 called strike 3 a week ago...the Braves are good, they don't need the extra help from the umps against us (and who knows if we would've won anyway)

 

I was disappointed in Flores at bat in the 9th with a man on 2nd. He put a "move the runner over with no outs" swing on it when there was 1 out. It was a 1/2 cut on a ball outside.

 

Lagares eventually needs to learn some plate discipline. 1 walk every 31 AB's or so is pretty wretched.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:34 AM

The call at first is also why we're getting expanded instant replay next year. Much like the Dodgers on that Lagares 3-2 ball 4 called strike 3 a week ago...the Braves are good, they don't need the extra help from the umps against us (and who knows if we would've won anyway)

 

I was disappointed in Flores at bat in the 9th with a man on 2nd. He put a "move the runner over with no outs" swing on it when there was 1 out. It was a 1/2 cut on a ball outside.

 

Lagares eventually needs to learn some plate discipline. 1 walk every 31 AB's or so is pretty wretched.

 

I won't kill Flores...he's a just-turned 22-year-old rookie...growing pains are to be expected.

 

Yeah, Lagares is a rookie too, but he needs work at the plate; glove notwithstanding, you can only have so many guys in the lineup who don't hit for average and don't get on base.  The Mets are loaded with bats like that.  The only exceptions are David Wright (has his warts, but he's clearly the best avg/OB guy on the team), and Josh Satin (who definitely isn't going to be a regular here, or anywhere else, unless it's on a bad team or a team in transition). 

 

Here's where I'm guessing the positions are set (could be wrong of course):

 

CF:  Lagares...I think the Mets like the glove enough that they're hoping he'll overcome his offensive deficiencies with experience.

RF:  Byrd...I have a feeling he's coming back...he likes it here and I think he's going to very reasonable with his contract demands.

1B:  Sadly, I think Davis is still the Mets' first baseman.  The high OB% since coming back probably has Sandy & Co. intrigued.  This one could really blow up in the Mets' faces.  All I know is if this friggin' guy is hitting .150 by the end of April, no more giving him 6 more weeks to fvck his teammates over. 

3B:  Duh. 

C:  Duh...just hope d'Arnaud stays healthy.

 

So that's 2B, LF, and SS. 

 

As far as 2B and SS go, I wonder if Sandy, who's going to have some serious coin to spend, would ever go the Yankee route, and do something really drastic.  This probably never happens, and I wouldn't be on board with it if it did, but would the Mets even dream of bringing Jose Reyes back?  I could see why Toronto would want to unload him...he has four years left on his deal (with an option for a 5th), and got hurt yet again this season (that's the fourth time in the last five years he's been hurt).  I'm guessing they'd be happy getting Syndergaard back...I'm sure they're in "Why the hell did we trade him?" mode...but I can't see Sandy ever giving Syndergaard up for Reyes (nor would I want him to).  I don't want Reyes back...I think he's been overrated for some time, and I also don't think he's a winner or a major difference-maker (when's the last time a team with Reyes playing for it did anything?), and his contract has disaster-in-the-making written all over it...I'm just wondering if Sandy would even entertain the idea, and if so, how far he'd go to make it happen.  Toronto might be happy just getting out from the remainder of Reyes' deal at this point.   

 

2B...Murph is Murph.  He hits doubles and occasionally gets insanely hot.  Doesn't do anything else well at the plate.  He's a competent fielder, but won't ever be better than that.  He's slow.  Basically, he's the kind of guy you get when no one else is available, but you're looking to upgrade over, unless you're a team that's so stacked everywhere else, that his plate deficiencies don't hurt you...he'd be a great 9th-place hitter on a great AL team.  Does Sandy dare throw his hat into the Robinson Cano ring, if Cano doesn't sign with the Yankees during the Yanks' exclusive negotiating window?  And by "throwing his hat" in, I don't mean the Mets' past practice of going in half-assed, shrugging their shoulders, and saying "Well, we tried, oh well."  I mean offering an insane deal that would have the Yankees thinking long and hard about matching it (remember, Hank is looking to reign in the spending a bit).  And if the Yankees do match it, are the Mets willing to go even higher?  (Basically, do biz the way the Yankees did for so long.) 

 

I'm not saying I'm in favor of either of these moves...I'm not a Reyes fan, I think he had his chance here, and I don't really want to go back.  He's still got a lot of money coming to him, and he's injury-prone.  Cano isn't known for being a hustler (can't see that getting better when he gets the big money), and the Mets are going to overspend massively to pry him away from the Yanks.  The Mets will be tying up a LOT of money into two positions, and logic dictates that there's a chance that their best years could be behind them by the time they were to become Mets.  Cano will be 31 years old when the season starts, and Reyes will be 31 on June 11.  

 

If all this ever actually happened (it won't), who knows what the Mets would do about LF.  I think Sandy would drop dead of a heart attack if he actually pulled off the above.

 

This is me more wondering aloud if Sandy would ever be this aggressive in trying to make 2014 and beyond "Instant Contention" years.   


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:15 AM

If I may give an opinion...

 

Asdrubal Cabrera seems available for trade.  Only one year left @ $10 Million, but he's going to be buried behind Francisco Lindor in the near future, so it makes sense for the Indians to trade him, especially if they get an SP in return.  And if you believe his second half BA decline is just a blip on the radar (didn't do too much analysis on it really) this article (which makes the case for him going to the Cardinals or Reds) projects him as a 2.5-3 win player that's not a defensive nightmare.

 

It kind of depends on whether the Mets a) want to give up a young starting pitcher and b) want to contend in 2014.  He's no superstar, but probably a better fit than a Stephen Drew, and he's a clear upgrade over Tejada/Quintanilla


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:13 AM

I think projecting Cabrera as a 3-win player next year is pretty optimistic. He's been a replacement level player this year, and while his true talent is better than that, the decrease in contact is pretty concerning, and the power output of 2011 is very unlikely to come back. He's a dreadful SS and defense only gets worse with age. He's not a bad guy to take a flier on in a trade, but I absolutely wouldn't give up much; I'd treat it as a pure salary dump kind of deal, and even then, it's questionable whether he's worth the gamble for $10M.

 

Personally, I much prefer Jhonny Peralta as a target. He's basically tied with Jose Reyes in fWAR since 2011 and only a handful of runs behind the #1 guy on that list, Troy Tulowitzki. I wouldn't actually put him in their class as far as 2014 expectations go, and +26 runs saved defensively is hard to believe from a guy with a reputation as a mediocre-to-poor defender, but even just looking at offense he ranks 5th among SS in wRC+ in that time frame. More importantly, the PED suspension will kill his market and he'll probably have to settle for a 1 year deal or a lower AAV 2-year deal (a la Melky Cabrera).

 

You can probably get him for the salary price of Asdrubal, except without having to give up any talent to get him, and you'd likely be getting the better player.


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