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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:48 AM

Yeah, at this point, you really could bring both back.  At the very least, if the Mets feel like one of them has to be gone by Opening Day, maybe one of them shows enough in spring training that a team shows interest.  I just feel that being locked into a combo of Duda and Satin at first is beyond scary.  I feel like we know exactly what we're getting with Doofus.  Maybe Ike will never be any good, but I at least feel like there's somewhat of a chance that he could become a decent everyday first baseman with some power. 


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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:16 PM

Beltran laying the smack in his Yanks' presser!

 

Beltran on blame after strike 3: “Well, you got to blame somebody. You got to blame the guy who makes the most money. That’s baseball.”

 

Carlos Beltran: “When somebody is trying to hurt you in a personal way…then we have trouble. Now it’s personal.”

 

Beltran said #Mets organization tried to portray him as a “bad apple” and “it hurt” him and his family.

 

Beltran said he grew up a Yankee fan and, more specifically, a Bernie Williams fan.

 

Carlos Beltran: “I was successful in New York. I don’t need to prove anything to anybody.”


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:35 PM

Beltran and the Mets wasn't ever a great mix, for a variety of reasons...but the move was clearly no-brainer for Mets.  If one looks at his numbers strictly in a vacuum, they look terrific, especially for a CF...there's no disputing that.  But something was always off.  What's obvious is Beltran doesn't have the thickest skin in the world, and was probably too sensitive to be "the man" in NY...but to his credit, he at least put up eye-friendly numbers in his time here.

 

Beltran wasn't quite as successful as a Met as he probably thinks he was, but whatever...the Yankees are a good fit for him, because he's not being asked to carry them, and he should blend in without a problem.   


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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:39 PM

I doubt Beltran grew up a Yankees fan, and Bernie Williams didn't become a noteworthy player until Beltran was like 16-17 years old. This is the stuff the Yankees feed to all players when they sign with them "legend, history, babe ruth, monument park etc" they're briefed in this and told exactly what to say before the press conference...they're told to be in awe of the Yankees. Plus after Grandersons "real NYers are Mets fans" quips, you know the Yankees needed to fire back. And they did through Beltran


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 10:37 AM

Hall of Fame election announcements coming at 2pm today. Baseball Think Factory has tracked public ballots, which makes up roughly 34% of the total vote and has been accurate in the past. Based on their projections, Piazza is likely to miss out while Maddux, Glavine, and Thomas collectively stand a really good chance of getting in, maybe Biggio as well.

 

Since Piazza is very unlikely to go in this year, I hope at least those four make it to get rid of some names for the sake of future ballots. There are a lot of Hall of Fame-deserving players on that list that aren't getting enough attention because of the loaded ballot, and as I mentioned in the General MLB Thread yesterday, there are plenty of new names on the way next year: Randy Johnson, Pedro, Smoltz; Sheffield at least deserves consideration. 


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 07:16 AM

Well, Glavine got in.  Good, in that he deserved to go...though when you look at his numbers, outside of the 305 wins (and 300 wins still means a lot), he was more consistently good to very good rather than dominant (and pitched for a long time).  A lot of his individual numbers scream "good, but not great", and let's face it, Atlanta pitchers enjoyed a strike zone that seemed to be larger than everyone's else...Glavine especially got a lot of strike calls on balls that simply weren't strikes.  Not trying to imply that he shouldn't have gotten in, but maybe on the second ballot and not the first. 

 

As a Met fan, I don't really feel anything, re:  Glavine's election.  For one, his heart was always with the Braves.  For another, I won't ever forget that last start against the Marlins, where he couldn't get off the mound fast enough.  Or his last three starts as a Met, really, when the team needed him in the worst way, and he gave up 17 runs in 10.1 IP.

 

If he had it to do over again, though he has been fairly complimentary about his time with the Mets, he never should've left the Braves.   


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[Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 08:38 AM

I'll definitely have a mixed reaction watching Glavine go in.  Not so much because of what happened that one day against the Marlins though it certainly clouded his time here, but more because it's going to be a total Brave-fest with Cox and Maddux, and it was obvious he always wanted to be there anyway so his HOF induction will probably be almost totally viewed through the Brave prism (as I suppose it should).  

 

He definitely deserves it and it's not like he didn't give an honest effort as a Met or accomplish 'some' things...but it'd probably be easier to watch him go in now if Maddux/Cox were both going in next year with Smoltz :P


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 09:01 AM

Part of the problem was the Mets were asking a 37-year-old to be an ace...I also don't think they took a good hard look at Glavine's 2002 campaign, which looks good at first glance (18-11, 2.96 ERA).  He was 11-3 with a 1.75 ERA on June 26 of that year, which gives you an idea of how he pitched the rest of the season.  He then got shelled in two playoff starts.  So the signs were there that he wasn't going to be the Glavine of old that the Mets paid him to be, and the Braves definitely would've fought harder to keep him if they didn't think he was about to decline.  Glavine simply shouldn't have ever left...it was clear that he didn't want to.     

 

To his credit, like you say, he made his 32+ starts per season, and he didn't always benefit from great run support (though there was something about his face when the Mets didn't score for him...when they would show him on the bench as the Mets made their last out of an inning, just before he'd go back out to take the mound...that just bugged me.  It was a look that seemed to say, "If that was my Braves out there, they'd have given me a two to three run lead to work with by now!"  Sad thing is he probably wasn't all that wrong.) 


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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 09:32 AM

I don't have much emotion to Glavine going in, really. Good for him, he deserves it, but there is very little Mets-attachment for me there, honestly. I have nothing against his stint with us, I always thought of him as a very solid starter as a Met, but he just never "grew" on me as a fan when he was here.

 

I was curious to see how he ranked among RA9-WAR (pitcher WAR based on runs allowed, not FIP) and was surprised to see he was 30th among qualified pitchers from 2003-2007 (his Met tenure) and 24th if you isolate 2004-2006. He wasn't an ace, and didn't sniff the latter years of his Braves career, but those are some appreciable numbers, even if things were a little rocky in the beginning and end. In a way like Beltran,  I think some Mets fans hold his stoic personality and one blowup moment (final start of 2007) against him too much (including myself). Still, like I said above, for whatever reason, I just never had a lot of emotional fan attachment to him.  


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 10:36 AM

I don't have much emotion to Glavine going in, really. Good for him, he deserves it, but there is very little Mets-attachment for me there, honestly. I have nothing against his stint with us, I always thought of him as a very solid starter as a Met, but he just never "grew" on me as a fan when he was here.

 

I was curious to see how he ranked among RA9-WAR (pitcher WAR based on runs allowed, not FIP) and was surprised to see he was 30th among qualified pitchers from 2003-2007 (his Met tenure) and 24th if you isolate 2004-2006. He wasn't an ace, and didn't sniff the latter years of his Braves career, but those are some appreciable numbers, even if things were a little rocky in the beginning and end. In a way like Beltran,  I think some Mets fans hold his stoic personality and one blowup moment (final start of 2007) against him too much (including myself). Still, like I said above, for whatever reason, I just never had a lot of emotional fan attachment to him.  

 

Anyone who says Glavine completely sucked as a Met definitely isn't being fair.  He wasn't a total bust...he was decent.  Problem was the Mets signed him to be in-his-prime Tom Glavine, and those expectations filtered down to a good portion of the fanbase...Glavine not really living up to the Mets' expectations was more on the Mets than on Tom.   It wasn't Glavine's fault that the Mets shelled out top dollar when everything pointed to Glavine not being worth that kind of money. 

 

Glavine was going to have a tough time with Met fans warming up to him from Day 1, for obvious reasons.  For one, he had been the enemy for so long.  For another, the only way he was going to get Met fans to embrace him was to succeed right off the bat...if he had a 2003 year similar to the one he had in 2002 (with a little more consistency), I think Met fans forget about him having been a Brave, etc.  You go 9-14 with a 4.52 ERA in your first season (and go 0-4 against the Braves and get shelled all four times to boot), then follow that up with an 11-14 "meh" year, well, no way he was ever going to make significant inroads with the Met fanbase from then on out.  The funny thing is, I think the Met fans WERE beginning to warm up to him a little after those first two seasons...they seemed genuinely happy when he won #300 as a Met (I was), and he did have some nice Met moments...but that final start against the Marlins with everything on the line really seemed to blow a lot of that up. 


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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
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Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 10:03 AM

Great article by Dan Lewis at Amazin' Avenue on the silly Piazza/steroid myth, including a really cool vintage scouting report back when Piazza was an amateur: http://www.amazinave...-of-fame-backne


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 10:09 AM

Anyone who says Glavine completely sucked as a Met definitely isn't being fair.  He wasn't a total bust...he was decent.  Problem was the Mets signed him to be in-his-prime Tom Glavine, and those expectations filtered down to a good portion of the fanbase...Glavine not really living up to the Mets' expectations was more on the Mets than on Tom.   It wasn't Glavine's fault that the Mets shelled out top dollar when everything pointed to Glavine not being worth that kind of money. 

 

Glavine was going to have a tough time with Met fans warming up to him from Day 1, for obvious reasons.  For one, he had been the enemy for so long.  For another, the only way he was going to get Met fans to embrace him was to succeed right off the bat...if he had a 2003 year similar to the one he had in 2002 (with a little more consistency), I think Met fans forget about him having been a Brave, etc.  You go 9-14 with a 4.52 ERA in your first season (and go 0-4 against the Braves and get shelled all four times to boot), then follow that up with an 11-14 "meh" year, well, no way he was ever going to make significant inroads with the Met fanbase from then on out.  The funny thing is, I think the Met fans WERE beginning to warm up to him a little after those first two seasons...they seemed genuinely happy when he won #300 as a Met (I was), and he did have some nice Met moments...but that final start against the Marlins with everything on the line really seemed to blow a lot of that up. 

 

Glavine was an enemy but not a hated one. Sure he beat us plenty with Atlanta but he wasn't a prick about it like Rocker or Chipper Jones (and I'm still pissed we "honored" him in any way") Regarding 2007, Glavine was a part of that collapse but I don't focus on him exclusively. Everything went wrong at the worst possible time. When we hit the bullpen spit it up. Every starter seemed to put us behind the 8 ball early, failures with RISP. Everybody had a hand in that. Plus the opposition was playing the Mets like it was game 7 of the world series. The Nats and Marlins would give their first born to beat the Mets that year. And they happily rolled over and died when they saw Philly.


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 11:47 AM

'7'...no, Glavine wasn't the only reason for the '07 collapse...he had plenty of company.  It was just SO spectacular a failure in that last start, for a guy who'd been battle-tested and used to pitching in big games...one thing to battle and give your team 5-6 innings of mediocre ball...but he failed about as miserably as one can in that game...and his last three starts were SO bad.

 

Rocker was hate-able just because.  Chipper was just that guy who you wish played for you.  Guy always seemed to hurt the Mets, so much so that it was maddening. 


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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
- Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 08:58 PM

Mets apparently re-signing Dice K lol


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 09:31 PM

Mets apparently re-signing Dice K lol

 

Meh, it's a depth-move signing.  He was OK in AAA last season.  The Mets had some crappy starting pitching in Vegas (outside of Montero, Torres prior to his call-up, and deGrom).  If/when Montero and Syndergaard make it to the big club during the 2014 season, someone's got to throw innings for Vegas. 


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Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime?
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Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 07:57 AM

The Mets have refuted the reports, for what it's worth.

 

If it does happen, I don't really mind Dice-K as a depth signing, but would be very disappointed if they gave him the #5 job over a healthy Mejia. 


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 08:01 AM

The Mets have refuted the reports, for what it's worth.

 

I don't really mind Dice-K as a depth signing but would vehemently hate it if they gave him the #5 job over a healthy Mejia. 

 

Agree.  If Mets do this, do it for depth, not because that hot streak he went on in garbage time last season has them thinking they might be catching lightning in a bottle.  Let's find out once and for all if Mejia can make through a full MLB season healthy.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:00 AM

Seven Mets going to arbitration, including the Mets' first base tandem of Doofus and Davis:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/n...8&vkey=news_mlb

 

All interesting names:

 

Doofus

Davis

Murphy

Gee

Tejada

Parnell

EY

 

I could be wrong, maybe something's going on behind the scenes, but I'm thinking more and more that Ike and Duda are both going to be here come spring training.  If that's the case, I give Sandy some credit for just not giving Ike away for a bag of balls.  It's a risk...he'll get a raise in arbitration from his current $3.1 million salary, and he could have another god-awful start next season, but I hope he gets one last chance.

 

Will be very interesting to see what Murphy gets...hell, what ALL of these guys get.   


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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 12:44 PM

Matt Swartz puts out arbitration estimates which are usually quite accurate. Here is his list of Mets' projections:

 

Player (Service Time): Arbitration Salary Projection

Daniel Murphy (4.109): $5.8MM
Ike Davis (3.155): $3.5MM
Dillon Gee (3.028): $3.4MM
Bobby Parnell (4.132): $3.2MM
Eric Young, Jr. (3.123): $1.9MM
Lucas Duda (2.132, Super Two): $1.8MM
Scott Atchison (4.168): $1.3MM
Ruben Tejada (2.151, Super Two): $1MM
Omar Quintanilla (4.122): $900K
Justin Turner (3.045): $800K
Mike Baxter (2.129, Super Two): $500K
 
 
I'm still not sold that Davis is coming back (I'll believe it when I see him on the Opening Day roster), but like I said, I would have absolutely no problem with it. There is no point of dumping Ike for a fringy back-end starter or relief arm. Both players have options and there is even a scenario, albeit unlikely, in which both players can fit on the roster. You won't be saving anything meaningful in salary, either. Trading Ike Davis certainly won't be the difference in the team signing Stephen Drew or not.

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 01:17 PM

Ike at $3.5 mil is going to be prohibitive, in terms of hoping to get back anything could really help.  Ike is going to have the most upside of any of the players involved in a trade involving him. 

 

As far as first base goes, it seems to come down to this:

 

A guy who could be pretty good but could also be awful (especially at the plate) for $3.5 mil.

A guy who is very likely going to suck (but might get on base a little) at $1.8 mil.

 

Man this choice never seems to look any better as time passes, lol. 

 

Since 2013 was supposed to answer questions like this, but for some reason didn't, I'm looking to 2015.  At least by then, one or both of these players will be gone. 


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