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[AEWHistory]

Gimmick? Love it? Okay with it?

Pure gimmick and I hate it. I miss the old (read-- traditional or real) NHL where teams might even play to a tie (G-d forbid). As for people who hate ties: while I understand everyone has an opinion, there was/is an array of options to minimize the number of ties that didn't reduce hockey games to a random series of artificial breakaways. Some of those are even mentioned earlier in the thread. For me, the easiest solution is the one already on mention here. Simply make a tie less lucrative by using a 3 PT. win system. By only giving 1 point for a tie it makes it far less attractive to play to the tie. There ya go. To help things along play 4 on 4. If the NHLPA won't do 10 minutes perhaps an midway point could be reached? It would sound silly, but who not play to say 8 minutes? What law says we have to play to divisibles of 5?

One last point is that I don't understand why more people aren't concerned that there is an entire segment of the game today that has zero bearing on the playoffs. What sport does this? Does football get rid of kickoffs for the post season? Does basketball do away with free throws? Yet my beloved hockey decides a large percentage of it's games using a system and a skillset that, come playoff time, is thrown away until the following season. Even if you hate ties you've got to admit that that is ridiculous.

Edited by AEWHistory, 16 February 2013 - 02:02 AM.

[ATLL765]

Pure gimmick and I hate it. I miss the old (read-- traditional or real) NHL where teams might even play to a tie (G-d forbid). As for people who hate ties: while I understand everyone has an opinion, there was/is an array of options to minimize the number of ties that didn't reduce hockey games to a random series of artificial breakaways. Some of those are even mentioned earlier in the thread. For me, the easiest solution is the one already on mention here. Simply make a tie less lucrative by using a 3 PT. win system. By only giving 1 point for a tie it makes it far less attractive to play to the tie. There ya go. To help things along play 4 on 4. If the NHLPA won't do 10 minutes perhaps an midway point could be reached? It would sound silly, but who not play to say 8 minutes? What law says we have to play to divisibles of 5?

One last point is that I don't understand why more people aren't concerned that there is an entire segment of the game today that has zero bearing on the playoffs. What sport does this? Does football get rid of kickoffs for the post season? Does basketball do away with free throws? Yet my beloved hockey decides a large percentage of it's games using a system and a skillset that, come playoff time, is thrown away until the following season. Even if you hate ties you've got to admit that that is ridiculous.

 

 

No 8 mins, has to be increments of 5. That's sport rules man. It's in the handbook all of us men are given at birth, duh.

Honestly, I didn't mind the shootout at first, maybe because I was 15, but as time went on, it sucked. It sucks that a real sport was played and a real struggle occurred to try to win the game, but then it's decided in a 50-50 coin flip. It drives me insane. The Devils are great at shootouts as I think we delved into during our great run on them last year, but even so, they're a 50-50 coin flip on the whole and that's no way to end game.

[Triumph]

Ties still exist triumph. A shootout decides the shootout and has nothing to do with the game played beforehand. A shootout is a different sport.

 

The tie isn't unsatisfying. Both teams get a point...both teams are content. What's unsatisfying is a boring game. a 5-5 tie will usually be more exciting than a 1-0 shootout game. Nobody complained about ties in 1986...because hockey was exciting.

 

Hey, if you want less ties in the 65 minutes of real hockey...how about less parity, smaller goalie gear and ending the persistent creep of clutch and grab hockey. That way you don't have teams obstructing and playing prevent D the whole game in hopes of taking their chances in the shootout.

 

Hockey is at bottom a defensive contest.  It is always easier to prevent chances than to create them.  Goalie equipment is unlikely to change significantly - the answer to more goals and more scoring chances is bigger nets, something which I don't think the NHL will consider for many years.

[capo]

The shootout is a gimmick but it hasn't come as a detriment to the game.  I think the game is absolutely fine the way it is.  I don't like 4-4 in overtime because it alters the traditional 5-5 game.  5-5 is the way the game has played and the way it should always be played in my opinion.  I would hate to see them alter anything else on the ice.  I also thought taking away the center ice line was a bad idea.  The NHL has a tremendous history with great records that have been recorded within that his history.  To alter the game is to do an injustice and disservice to those who played and dominated the game in the past when the rules were stricter. Can you imagine what Gretzky and Lemieux would do with the 2-line pass? 

[Satans Hockey]

The shootout is a gimmick but it hasn't come as a detriment to the game.  I think the game is absolutely fine the way it is.  I don't like 4-4 in overtime because it alters the traditional 5-5 game.  5-5 is the way the game has played and the way it should always be played in my opinion.  I would hate to see them alter anything else on the ice.  I also thought taking away the center ice line was a bad idea.  The NHL has a tremendous history with great records that have been recorded within that his history.  To alter the game is to do an injustice and disservice to those who played and dominated the game in the past when the rules were stricter. Can you imagine what Gretzky and Lemieux would do with the 2-line pass? 

 

The NHL doesn't get a lot of things right but getting rid of the awful, awful, 2-line pass rule was one of the best things they ever did. I do not miss that at all and I'm sure the vast majority of players and fans feel the same.

[capo]

The NHL doesn't get a lot of things right but getting rid of the awful, awful, 2-line pass rule was one of the best things they ever did. I do not miss that at all and I'm sure the vast majority of players and fans feel the same.

 

I wouuld be interested in seeing how many more goals have been scored that would have been called back because of the 2-line pass.  Imagine what the Oilers teams would have done if that rule didn't exist.  I guess with the evolution of players the rule isn't necessary any more but those Oilers teams might go undefeated if it didn't exist. 

[Jimmy Leeds]

Is an OT win 2 or 3 points in that system?

3 I imagine.......

[AEWHistory]

No 8 mins, has to be increments of 5. That's sport rules man. It's in the handbook all of us men are given at birth, duh.

LMAO! Yea, you're right, what was I thinking? In all fairness, my wife confiscated my man book when we got married, so I've forgotten alot of the rules. One day I'll find where she hid it....

Hockey is at bottom a defensive contest. It is always easier to prevent chances than to create them. Goalie equipment is unlikely to change significantly - the answer to more goals and more scoring chances is bigger nets, something which I don't think the NHL will consider for many years.

But goalie equipment MUST change or I am going into business selling mattresses to the NHL. Seriously, it is getting ridiculous. And again, what a simple, elegant solution for more scoring, fewer ties (if such a thing still existed), etc. I don't buy the safety factor for goaltenders. I'm not advocating sending them out there like Ned Braden at the end of Slap Shot, they'd still have all the goodies every other goaltender hand in, say, 1990. Of course, the equipment itself would all be better, especially th helmets (poor, poor Mike Liut.... How many of you remember that game against the Devils? I bet he doesn't). I dint recall there being a major injury problem for goalies back then that is any different from today's game save for the helmets and those advancements could be totally left alone. So why do the players want to stop these changes?

I wouuld be interested in seeing how many more goals have been scored that would have been called back because of the 2-line pass. Imagine what the Oilers teams would have done if that rule didn't exist. I guess with the evolution of players the rule isn't necessary any more but those Oilers teams might go undefeated if it didn't exist.

Wow, never thought of that. Awesome thought. OTOH, can you imagine how much more painful it would've been being a Devils fan in the '80s and watching our boys play against the likes of the Oilers? Perish the thought...

[AEWHistory]

The shootout is a gimmick but it hasn't come as a detriment to the game.  I think the game is absolutely fine the way it is.  I don't like 4-4 in overtime because it alters the traditional 5-5 game.  5-5 is the way the game has played and the way it should always be played in my opinion.  I would hate to see them alter anything else on the ice.  I also thought taking away the center ice line was a bad idea.  The NHL has a tremendous history with great records that have been recorded within that his history.  To alter the game is to do an injustice and disservice to those who played and dominated the game in the past when the rules were stricter. Can you imagine what Gretzky and Lemieux would do with the 2-line pass? 

Okay, sincere question here: why is the shootout acceptable to you but the 4-4 overtime isn't because it alters the traditional game? I feel like I'm either missing something here (a distinct possibility) or maybe you've made more of an emotional decision instead of a logical one.

[Satans Hockey]

Okay, sincere question here: why is the shootout acceptable to you but the 4-4 overtime isn't because it alters the traditional game? I feel like I'm either missing something here (a distinct possibility) or maybe you've made more of an emotional decision instead of a logical one.

 

4 on 4 is played during the game at certain points at least. It's still a team game when it's 4 on 4 and not just a skill contest between a skater and a goalie.

[David Puddy]

I wonder if soccer fans have this same debate. Hell, penalty kicks involve even less skill and more luck than penalty shots.

[peteyvegas51]

Hell,  I'm even against overtime.  Let the boys store energy for the playoffs. Let them go home after 2 hrs of playing.

[roomtemp]

4 on 4 is played during the game at certain points at least. It's still a team game when it's 4 on 4 and not just a skill contest between a skater and a goalie.

So are you angry at penalty shots too?

[Satans Hockey]

So are you angry at penalty shots too?

Personally I don't really care anymore cause we have no say in the matter. He was asking about 4 on 4 not being traditional hockey but 4 on 4 happens a lot more during a game then the few penalty shots each team sees during regulation throughout the season.

[SterioDesign]

4 on 4 is played during the game at certain points at least. It's still a team game when it's 4 on 4 and not just a skill contest between a skater and a goalie.

 

so is breakaways... 

Edited by SterioDesign, 17 February 2013 - 04:17 PM.

[capo]

Okay, sincere question here: why is the shootout acceptable to you but the 4-4 overtime isn't because it alters the traditional game? I feel like I'm either missing something here (a distinct possibility) or maybe you've made more of an emotional decision instead of a logical one.

If I had my druthers I would have neither.  I don't think the shootout has negatively affected the game.  I don't think 4-4 has either.  I just don't like it. The game is played 5-5.  I think that's the only way it should be played.  I appreciate the chess match that is the game.  To me, 4-4 is not hockey. It's run and gun back and forth and totally removes the strategy that defines hockey.  It turns the game into that gimmicky thing that non-traditional fans go to and leave saying that was a great game. That's not hockey.  I suppose, it's no different than the shootout.  However, we don't hear chatter about how their going to get rid of the game and just have shootouts.

[RangersSuck23]

I wonder if soccer fans have this same debate. Hell, penalty kicks involve even less skill and more luck than penalty shots.

Penalty shots in soccer are the most sh!t excuse to settle a score in the history of mankind.  Soccer is a tough, enduring sport (even though most people dont think so) with a lot of short quick sprints and lots of minutes logged on the field and to have 120 minutes of running, hitting, battling end in a penalty shootout, where guessing is the key factor in determining the winner is just disgraceful.  At least in hockey, you need skill to score on a penalty shot.  In soccer, the coach just tells you to pick a corner and shoot.  IT IS SO STUPID. I hated going to penalty shootouts in high school cause i knew for sure we were going to lose.  Our team was always tough to beat during regulation cause we weren't the prettiest team but we worked hard and had limited chances, but then we got to penalties and our guys just lost confidence. It was sickening.  In hockey, there should be players taken off the ice to create more chances and a more open game. So lets say in hockey, a 4v4 for 5 minutes and then a stoppage.  Then a 3v3 for five minutes and then finally a shootout.  In soccer, in knockout games, simply play til someone scores golden goal style like in the playoffs for hockey.  Think about how many world cup matches were decided on penalties. Its horrible

[thefiestygoat]

Never liked it, never will.

This. What was wrong with ties?

[devilsfan26]

Hell,  I'm even against overtime.  Let the boys store energy for the playoffs. Let them go home after 2 hrs of playing.

Another two minutes or so of ice time every few games probably has a very minimal effect if any on their energy for the playoffs.  I would be fine with no overtime too so every game is 60 minutes, but I think if you're going to have overtime it needs to be ten minutes because five is too pointless, and I agree with the others who say ice hockey is 5 on 5 so overtime should stay 5 on 5.

[Onddeck]

Honestly I love the shootout