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#21 EdgeControl

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:02 PM

While we're at it can we chop a foot off Chara's stick???  He has a sweep check radius of 15 feet


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:05 PM

While we're at it can we chop a foot off Chara's stick??? He has a sweep check radius of 15 feet


There is a limit to stick length, you need a special waiver to get a stick that's slightly longer when you're Chara.

http://www.nhl.com/i...ge.htm?id=26286
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:37 PM

There is a limit to stick length, you need a special waiver to get a stick that's slightly longer when you're Chara.

http://www.nhl.com/i...ge.htm?id=26286

I know, but Z has like a 5" long neck, LOL so he should be treated like a 6'-5" player!


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:52 PM

I've seen Luongo lister as 6'3 and Brodeur 6'2, but it looks like they're they exact same height (if anything Brodeur might be a smidge taller) so why does Luongo need those massive beefy pads for?

 

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

Believe me, a creative lawyer can sue anyone and get a nice chunk of change.  "Just" a bruised upper thigh?  Well my client missed a few weeks, lost his starting job and lost out on the gazillion dollars he would have made for the rest of his career.  Gimme, gimme, gimme.

 

I understand what you're saying, but any player who gets hit with a puck could use that same argument. Ian Laperriere's career basically ended from taking a puck to the face.

 

The pads should be for protection. For the upper leg example, the pants goalies wear have hard plastic padding in them. The high upper part of the leg pads are purely for closing the five hole when the goalie is in the butterfly. They don't serve much purpose otherwise.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:04 PM

Believe me, a creative lawyer can sue anyone and get a nice chunk of change.  "Just" a bruised upper thigh?  Well my client missed a few weeks, lost his starting job and lost out on the gazillion dollars he would have made for the rest of his career.  Gimme, gimme, gimme.

 

Good luck suing based on a injury sustained during the normal course of a sporting event.  You know your risks as a player and you take them, the NHLPA and NHL would both approve any changes to the equipment, there would be no leg to stand and no chunk of change to be won.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:17 PM

I'd like for pad size to be reduced, but it's probably not going to happen.

However, goalies have gotten bigger over the years, and I don't see why net size shouldn't increase accordingly.

I'd imagine there's not much net to shoot at when you have guys like that 6'8'' freak from Ottawa going down in the butterfly.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:19 PM

I'd like for pad size to be reduced, but it's probably not going to happen.

However, goalies have gotten bigger over the years, and I don't see why net size shouldn't increase accordingly.

I'd imagine there's not much net to shoot at when you have guys like that 6'8'' freak from Ottawa going down in the butterfly.

 

It's also boring as heck to watch the giant goalies just plop down and hope pucks hit them.  Too often turns games into the winner being the team that got the luckiest bounce around the goalie instead of which team created the best chances.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:25 PM

It's also boring as heck to watch the giant goalies just plop down and hope pucks hit them.  Too often turns games into the winner being the team that got the luckiest bounce around the goalie instead of which team created the best chances.

 

This is something that kills me as a former goalie and huge fan of the position. There's so much less reflex and skill involved. Sure, you need to have great positioning and you need to know the angles, but I find watching Moose play much more entertaining than, say, watching Luongo or Lundqvist.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:34 PM

This is something that kills me as a former goalie and huge fan of the position. There's so much less reflex and skill involved. Sure, you need to have great positioning and you need to know the angles, but I find watching Moose play much more entertaining than, say, watching Luongo or Lundqvist.

 

This goes back to my point about Lou. I do not think he appreciates the big goalies, at all. I think that was a big reason why he picked up Hedberg, because he's an excellent back up and he does not wear oversized equipment.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

This goes back to my point about Lou. I do not think he appreciates the big goalies, at all. I think that was a big reason why he picked up Hedberg, because he's an excellent back up and he does not wear oversized equipment.

 

Good call. I think he looks for athletic goaltenders. Wedgewood, Frazee, and Kinkaid are all quick goalies that do more than just butterfly. I haven't seen enough of Clermont to know if he fits that as well, but I'd assume so.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:19 PM

Good call. I think he looks for athletic goaltenders. Wedgewood, Frazee, and Kinkaid are all quick goalies that do more than just butterfly. I haven't seen enough of Clermont to know if he fits that as well, but I'd assume so.

I assumed they all are smaller pad guys. The big pad thing is a Euro thing and we have exclusively North American goalies, Hedberg aside.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:32 PM

I assumed they all are smaller pad guys. The big pad thing is a Euro thing and we have exclusively North American goalies, Hedberg aside.

 

They look normal for the most part. Clermont, Wedgewood and Frazee are all 6'0, and Kinkaid is 6'3. His pads are pretty big, but his shoulder ones don't look too ridiculous. Clermont's look huge on him.

 

 

 

Wedgewood:

 

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Frazee:

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Kinkaid

 

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Clermont

 

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:42 PM

I'd be pretty disappointed if they changed the size of the nets. It's been 4x6 for how many years now? The thing that's changing is the equipment size, which is where the rules (if any) should be targeted too.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

I'd be pretty disappointed if they changed the size of the nets. It's been 4x6 for how many years now? The thing that's changing is the equipment size, which is where the rules (if any) should be targeted too.

 

I'm not sure, but I believe the league can change the nets on their own but need NHLPA agreement on any equipment changes.  The NHLPA won't give on meaningful goaltender equipment shrinking, so if that's the case then the league is left with the less good solution, but either are better than where we're at, IMO.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

I'm not sure, but I believe the league can change the nets on their own but need NHLPA agreement on any equipment changes.  The NHLPA won't give on meaningful goaltender equipment shrinking, so if that's the case then the league is left with the less good solution, but either are better than where we're at, IMO.

Has the NHLPA made an official statement on equipment size yet? I mean it's pretty obvious the padding is bigger then it needs to be from a protection standpoint. Didn't they agree to tone back the "cheater" part of the glove last CBA? I think there's room to negotiate for the sake of the game. If I were a goalie (and I was years ago) I would much rather have smaller equipment then attempt to get used to new net dimensions that I'd been playing with my whole life.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:07 PM

Problem is goalies themselves are bigger than they were 20 years ago, equipment or no equipment. Even 'legal' equipment is taking up more of the net. And it's not likely they scale back the equipment enough to make a real difference.

I don't see what's so bad about making the net larger if everything else is increasing.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

Problem is goalies themselves are bigger than they were 20 years ago, equipment or no equipment. Even 'legal' equipment is taking up more of the net. And it's not likely they scale back the equipment enough to make a real difference.

I don't see what's so bad about making the net larger if everything else is increasing.

 

Because then every single league underneath the NHL, down to the mites, will adjust to that as well, forcing arenas to purchase new nets. It's such a wider sweep to change net size than to tell goalies to stop cheating. Clutching and grabbing is way that skaters attempt to make their job easier, but the NHL regulates that, why not restrict pad sizes more?

I understand the issue with getting the PA to agree, but changing the nets changes the game TOO much. It changes the angles in which pucks coming off the board will hit the net, it changes the ease in which you can hit the net from an angle, since the angle is now smaller than before due to the smaller distance from net to boards. People will change offensive strategies to fit it, defense will be different as shots from the outside will be a better bet than before. It changes the game fundamentally and pad sizes would not change the game nearly as much or in such a radical way.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:18 PM

If the nets get bigger, then the pads will get even bigger. Ever seen an indoor lacrosse goalie's chest pad?

 

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What's funny to me is that Garth Snow's infamous roof shingle shoulder pads, which once looked comically humaaaangous, now look normal (well, normal in size, not in pointyness).

 

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:50 PM

If the nets get bigger, then the pads will get even bigger. 

Eventually that leads to diminishing returns though since goalies won't be able to move nearly as quickly in a larger net.


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