Jump to content

Photo

Has Adam Larsson really improved?


  • Please log in to reply
41 replies to this topic

#1 SMantzas

SMantzas

    Assistant Coach

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,933 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

I think most people can agree that Larsson has been solid since being inserted into the lineup. And I don't think anyone questions his upside as a top pairing dman. But it appears Larsson has been getting a bit of luck:

His on ice save percentage is .921
NJ shoots 16.67 when he's on the ice
With an overall PDO of 1087
  • 0

#2 ATLL765

ATLL765

    Assistant Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,485 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

Well, aside from his first game where he had that perfect tip into our net, he's played pretty well and even though he's gotten better competition playing with Green, he's held his own and made some good plays. I think he's improved his defensive play for sure. I just want to see a bit more from him in on offense. I'd like to see him get 10-15 points this year. He's only got 2 in 11 games, but I'd really like him to get at least 10. I'd also like to see him get a little PP time, if only on 2nd unit.


  • 0

#3 Chuck the Duck

Chuck the Duck

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,648 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:14 PM

Forget the numbers.  Just watch the kid play.  He is so much faster and more confident than last season.  He's stronger on the puck and is playing much better positionally.  He's developing fine, luck or no luck.


  • 2
Posted Image

#4 EdgeControl

EdgeControl

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,512 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:17 PM

He's improved his 1 vs 1 D significantly. you can tell he's been working on the backwards crossovers to gain speed while maintaining a decent gap. he's stronger on the stepout too.  very relieved after seeing him look slow last year. using his size on the boards more, and not panicing with the puck or forcing a pass. he's holding onto in for that crucial last instant to see an outlet. imo, greene has helped a lot. sure he'll make the bonehead play, but they're way fewer of them now.  the O will come hopefully, the slapper needs work, lots of work LOL


  • 0

#5 ZeroGravityFat

ZeroGravityFat

    Head Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,787 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

he had that mean pass to kovie for a goal no? he is a great playmaker, just needs a few more seasons and should be a leader of the defense.


  • 0

martyb.jpg
Proud Winner of the 2012 Sergei Brylin Award and 2011 Andy Greene Award, Official keeper of Doc and Chico's random ramblings during play in blowout games


#6 DH26

DH26

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,730 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:22 PM

I think most people can agree that Larsson has been solid since being inserted into the lineup. And I don't think anyone questions his upside as a top pairing dman. But it appears Larsson has been getting a bit of luck:

His on ice save percentage is .921
NJ shoots 16.67 when he's on the ice
With an overall PDO of 1087

 

what'll happen when regression starts his +/- will fall? Who cares. We know he's got that sick passing ability and he's probably a little too much of an adventure out there sometimes but he's also only 20 years old and, I think, improved just from watching him 


  • 0
Follow Me on Twitter @mtorino75 I Need Followers!

Visit My Devils Blog! www.theTrapezoidConspiracy.com
Rutgers-New Brunswick '11, Rutgers School of Law-Newark '14

#7 Devils731

Devils731

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 17,522 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

He's gone from being beat consistently to the outside to only looking like he's going to be beat to the outside and then recovering at the last moment, so hopefully next year he'll just shut those down before he's almost beat.


  • 0
Your unconditional rejection of violence makes you smugly think of yourselves as noble, as enlightened, but in reality it is nothing less than abject moral capitulation to evil. Unconditional rejection of self-defense, because you think its a supposed surrender to violence, leaves you no resort but begging for mercy or offering appeasement.

-Terry Goodkind


Sex Panther cologne -- 50 percent of the time, it works every time.

-Anchorman

The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is now.

-Anonymous

Keeper of Section 212-213's wayward step

#8 SterioDesign

SterioDesign

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,429 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:28 PM

I think most people can agree that Larsson has been solid since being inserted into the lineup. And I don't think anyone questions his upside as a top pairing dman. But it appears Larsson has been getting a bit of luck:

His on ice save percentage is .921
NJ shoots 16.67 when he's on the ice
With an overall PDO of 1087

 

is this serious or trolling based on the Gionta discussion? serious question


  • 0

www.SterioDesign.com

 


#9 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,013 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:30 PM

I think most people can agree that Larsson has been solid since being inserted into the lineup. And I don't think anyone questions his upside as a top pairing dman. But it appears Larsson has been getting a bit of luck:

His on ice save percentage is .921
NJ shoots 16.67 when he's on the ice
With an overall PDO of 1087

 

Just like the debate over whether Gio should be benched, this all presents a chicken/egg dilemma.  Perhaps save percentage is high because Larsson forces opponents to take low percentage shots.  Maybe the Devils have a high shooting percentage when he's on the ice because his outlet passes or some other aspect of his play puts his teammates in a position to take high percentage shots. 

 

My take away from all this.  Better to trust your lying eyes than stats that don't really tell you much. 


  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#10 SMantzas

SMantzas

    Assistant Coach

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,933 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:31 PM


is this serious or trolling based on the Gionta discussion? serious question


100% serious...
  • 0

#11 RangersSuck23

RangersSuck23

    Prospect

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 85 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:31 PM

Larsson's been our best defenseman period


  • 0

#12 cgb6397

cgb6397

    Senior Devil

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 698 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:39 PM

My favorite Larsson play this season was the glove keep in that led to a goal, against Philly I think? But yeah, he's been playing much better, being paired with Greene has been great for him
  • 0
6qf7l3.jpg
"You know my boss, (Lou Lamoriello), we don't throw parades for second place"
-Pete Deboer on the Devils 5th Stanley Cup Final appearence

#13 SMantzas

SMantzas

    Assistant Coach

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,933 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

Just like the debate over whether Gio should be benched, this all presents a chicken/egg dilemma. Perhaps save percentage is high because Larsson forces opponents to take low percentage shots. Maybe the Devils have a high shooting percentage when he's on the ice because his outlet passes or some other aspect of his play puts his teammates in a position to take high percentage shots.

My take away from all this. Better to trust your lying eyes than stats that don't really tell you much.

The problem with throwing away stats is that bias can really influence what you see. Larsson is a former 4th overall who is playing in the NHL at 20. We desperately want him to be a #1
  • 0

#14 Daniel

Daniel

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,013 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:45 PM

The problem with throwing away stats is that bias can really influence what you see. Larsson is a former 4th overall who is playing in the NHL at 20. We desperately want him to be a #1

 

Stats or no stats, we all know he isn't a number 1 defenseman right now.  The last player I can think of who was penciled in a number 1 defenseman at age 20 was Drew Doughty.  Tyler Myers was at the time, but now he's sometimes a healthy scratch.


  • 0
Posted Image
I collect spores, molds and fungus.
Hello fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power. Good. Thank you, thank you. If you vote me, I'm hot. What? Taxes, they'll be lower... son. The Democratic vote is the right thing to do Philadelphia, so do.
How do you spot risk? How do you avoid risk? And what makes it so risky?

#15 Sneax

Sneax

    Senior Devil

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 945 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:49 PM

He looks alot better, but looks wimpy at times still. I think the most noticable difference comes in the fact that salvador, volchenkov and even talinder look old and slow and just plain bad.


  • 0

#16 SMantzas

SMantzas

    Assistant Coach

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,933 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:55 PM


Stats or no stats, we all know he isn't a number 1 defenseman right now. The last player I can think of who was penciled in a number 1 defenseman at age 20 was Drew Doughty. Tyler Myers was at the time, but now he's sometimes a healthy scratch.


Of course he isn't yet, but that doesn't mean people aren't more forgiving of his weaknesses or overrate his play
  • 0

#17 iamtheprodigy

iamtheprodigy

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,971 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:41 PM

Forget the numbers.  Just watch the kid play.  He is so much faster and more confident than last season.  He's stronger on the puck and is playing much better positionally.  He's developing fine, luck or no luck.

 

 

is this serious or trolling based on the Gionta discussion? serious question

 

Yay, another thread where we can argue about the legitimacy of statistics in hockey. Because that hasn't gotten old yet.


  • 0

#18 Triumph

Triumph

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,089 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:59 PM

Mantzas did a bad job of explaining his point (if he had one).

 

Deboer is slamming him with defensive zone starts, which makes sense because he's not really an asset in the offensive zone, and he's doing just fine so far with them.  Of course he doesn't really play with Salvador which helps anyone's 'advanced stats' - he should be an even-ish player despite having a zone start of 33%.  That's real good.


  • 0

http://drivingplay.blogspot.com - The blog with three first lines
 


#19 Onddeck

Onddeck

    Head Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,162 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:04 PM

don't forget Larsson's sick slapshot pass that he will soon trademark


  • 0

Somebody's gotta be the hero... Why not me?


#20 SterioDesign

SterioDesign

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,429 posts

Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:09 PM

personally while i agree that he improved i still havent seen anything from him telling me that he'll be an impact player for us... what i saw is that he will be an NHL player and not a liability and be alright at the very least, still young though and it takes time but i wouldnt pencil him a shoe in impact player / franchise dman for us just yet. I simply havent seen flashes of it yet like i remember seeing flashes of Karlsson, pietrangelo, doughty, subban, etc etc younger in their careers

 

i certainly fvcking hope so that he become that guy though we need it


  • 0

www.SterioDesign.com

 





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users