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#61 Beetlebum

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:53 AM

Lou tried to trade for Rob when Scott was a Devil. Burke wouldn't deal him except for Gomez.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:58 AM

I agree about 02 spurring some big changes in 03, good pts there

 

 

Oh 2003 was definitely special and it was at the very least partially born out of the disappointments of 2002 and the moves Lou made.  While the defense and goaltending remained the same as the previous three years, the forward group was not especially intimidating that year.  Hell our best scorer Elias only had 28 goals and 57 points that year!



which is ironic looking back on it since Gomez left anyway.  But at the time you can't make that trade because of how young gomez was and how much potential he had.  He was a real good player for the devils back then.  thanks for the insight

 

 

Lou tried to trade for Rob when Scott was a Devil. Burke wouldn't deal him except for Gomez.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:02 PM

I know you are joking about Chico which is funny, but I think he's been fair.  He's been critical of the Devils the last few games I caught.  On Monday I thought he was critical of their play.  I didn't see yesterday's game so I don't know how he was there

 

Yeah, i love Chico, don't get me wrong, but when we were winning he spoke of the team like we could do no wrong and spoke of the other team's poor stats (ex. when winnipeg didnt score a powerplay goal in the past 22 chances, and they were on the pp, they were having difficulty getting into our zone so he started laughing at how abysmal it was, then he mentioned the stat, they skated right through the zone and scored) and for the most part, he's been talking about certain calls without actually seeing the call.  Zidlicky will take an obvious penalty and he'll say "no way! he didn't trip staal!" and then when the replay comes up its obviously a trip.  It gets annoying sometimes cause when i play sports i know when i do something wrong and when i dont so it makes me mad when a commentator doesnt just own up and call the game right.  In conclusion, i want doc back


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:05 PM

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:10 PM

I wasn't comparing any eras I was pretty much talking about the 95-03 era they had and just pretty much bringing up some things about Lou I didn't like

 

But... you did:  "and then you give all this money to Zajak and Salvador while letting guys like Claude Lemieux, Niedermayer, sykora, Mogilny go over the years."


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:12 PM

I agree about 02 spurring some big changes in 03, good pts there

 

 



which is ironic looking back on it since Gomez left anyway.  But at the time you can't make that trade because of how young gomez was and how much potential he had.  He was a real good player for the devils back then.  thanks for the insight


Oh c'mon...    you're just being goofy now.   To even consider a Gomez/R Nieds swap back then was ludacrious.    Even the years after that.  (Gomez put up decent pts at first in NY)


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:13 PM

It would be great to have Doc back.  And to be honest I didn't always like him as an announcer, but he grew on me over the years.  I didn't have cable back in the early 90's so every Devils game I listened to on the radio up until 95 when I got satellite (perfect time too got to see all the playoff games in the 95 run and since).  so the only games I could watch on tv were the Flyers on channel 17.  and I loved hockey so much I would watch all of the Flyers road games on 17 to watch hockey (if the devils weren't playing that night).  anyway, Doc did those flyers games in the early 90's, he was their announcer, so the first time I saw him do a devils game in 93 I was shocked they had the Flyers announcer, so it took awhile before I started to like him.

 

I've always thought Gary Thorne had the best announcing voice for hockey and I prefer him (it's great hearing him call some of the plays during 2000, 2001 and 2003).  He's my favorite still, but Doc has grown on me a lot to be my 2nd favorite

 

I understand your points about Chico (but I have heard him also say that they shouldn't have called a penalty on the other team as well in some of the games).  your pt about the Jets game ( I was so mad when they brought that up, I thought we were doomed and like you said they scored then.  I hate that when it feels like your team is being set up to get burned against something that hasn't happened in awhile)

 

 

Yeah, i love Chico, don't get me wrong, but when we were winning he spoke of the team like we could do no wrong and spoke of the other team's poor stats (ex. when winnipeg didnt score a powerplay goal in the past 22 chances, and they were on the pp, they were having difficulty getting into our zone so he started laughing at how abysmal it was, then he mentioned the stat, they skated right through the zone and scored) and for the most part, he's been talking about certain calls without actually seeing the call.  Zidlicky will take an obvious penalty and he'll say "no way! he didn't trip staal!" and then when the replay comes up its obviously a trip.  It gets annoying sometimes cause when i play sports i know when i do something wrong and when i dont so it makes me mad when a commentator doesnt just own up and call the game right.  In conclusion, i want doc back


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:15 PM

What are you talking about, I said you can't make that trade.  I just said it's ironic because he left anyway (that one wasn't on Lou for Gomez) just ironic that's all.

 

 


Oh c'mon...    you're just being goofy now.   To even consider a Gomez/R Nieds swap back then was ludacrious.    Even the years after that.  (Gomez put up decent pts at first in NY)


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:17 PM

It would be great to have Doc back.  And to be honest I didn't always like him as an announcer, but he grew on me over the years.  I didn't have cable back in the early 90's so every Devils game I listened to on the radio up until 95 when I got satellite (perfect time too got to see all the playoff games in the 95 run and since).  so the only games I could watch on tv were the Flyers on channel 17.  and I loved hockey so much I would watch all of the Flyers road games on 17 to watch hockey (if the devils weren't playing that night).  anyway, Doc did those flyers games in the early 90's, he was their announcer, so the first time I saw him do a devils game in 93 I was shocked they had the Flyers announcer, so it took awhile before I started to like him.

 

I've always thought Gary Thorne had the best announcing voice for hockey and I prefer him (it's great hearing him call some of the plays during 2000, 2001 and 2003).  He's my favorite still, but Doc has grown on me a lot to be my 2nd favorite

 

I understand your points about Chico (but I have heard him also say that they shouldn't have called a penalty on the other team as well in some of the games).  your pt about the Jets game ( I was so mad when they brought that up, I thought we were doomed and like you said they scored then.  I hate that when it feels like your team is being set up to get burned against something that hasn't happened in awhile)

Yeah Gary Thorne is pretty good, but since i'm a young guy, my years have been mostly with Doc so i'm a bit biased towards him.  And Chico does call the other team's penalties off sometimes so good point there, but i feel like he burns us more often.  It's terrible, cause i feel like he says something really wrong and then i know we are gonna get screwed... and then the puck's in the back of our net


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:23 PM

To your last point, the point you made about the Jets powerplay is a case and pt about him burning our team, that's definitely the best example which you made earlier.

 

If you ever get to watch an old game from the 2000, 2001 or 2003 cup you'll get an appreciation for Thorne.  He's just awesome, the best hockey announcer I ever heard!  Doc is great, but I wish Thorne would do the national games instead like he did back then.

 

 

Yeah Gary Thorne is pretty good, but since i'm a young guy, my years have been mostly with Doc so i'm a bit biased towards him.  And Chico does call the other team's penalties off sometimes so good point there, but i feel like he burns us more often.  It's terrible, cause i feel like he says something really wrong and then i know we are gonna get screwed... and then the puck's in the back of our net


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:58 PM

Gary Thorne is one of the worst. The guy cannot stay neutral and the way he was rooting for the avalanche in 2001 and the ducks and anyone else playing the devils in 2003 was downright disgusting. He called every one of their goals like it was the best play he has ever seen while every devils goal was called as if someone just killed his dog. I'll take doc over him a million times over
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:01 PM

This thread reminds me of roughly 1000 threads from 2010-2011. You know, the ones where a bunch of people on the Internet know more than one of the most successful GMs in the last 25 years. Good stuff.

By the way, Sykora is so good that not one NHL team signed him.

As for crapping on Lou for the team losing in game 7 of the 2001 finals... Just wow.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:05 PM

I'll have to go back and listen but I always felt he sounded pretty excited for the Devils especially against the Stars in 2000.  Doc has grown on me a lot over the years.  I do hope they continue to have him do the ceremonies when they retire jersey's, etc.  (I have a feeling he'll make sure to be there for #30)

 

 

 

 

Gary Thorne is one of the worst. The guy cannot stay neutral and the way he was rooting for the avalanche in 2001 and the ducks and anyone else playing the devils in 2003 was downright disgusting. He called every one of their goals like it was the best play he has ever seen while every devils goal was called as if someone just killed his dog. I'll take doc over him a million times over


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:00 PM

I'll have to go back and listen but I always felt he sounded pretty excited for the Devils especially against the Stars in 2000.  Doc has grown on me a lot over the years.  I do hope they continue to have him do the ceremonies when they retire jersey's, etc.  (I have a feeling he'll make sure to be there for #30)

 

Listen to this:

 

 

I have never heard an announcer wanting a goal not to count so badly


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:33 PM

Last time I heard Gary Thorne(not in an EA game) was when he did the WJC a couple years ago. I'm pretty sure I recall him not being able to pronounce anyone's name correctly.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:00 PM

I was surprised the way he shouted no, but I think he was thrown off by the goal light not going off.  From this voice I thought he sounded excited they scored a goal.  and I remember after that ducks series he raved about their run and called them a dynasty.  and during the dallas series I never felt like he seemed disappointed at all about the devils winning.  I don't think he has anything against the devils from when I've heard him in the past.

 

I do understand why most on here prefer Doc Emrick, he will always be known as the devils announcer

 

 

Listen to this:

 

 

I have never heard an announcer wanting a goal not to count so badly


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:57 PM

I was surprised the way he shouted no, but I think he was thrown off by the goal light not going off. From this voice I thought he sounded excited they scored a goal. and I remember after that ducks series he raved about their run and called them a dynasty. and during the dallas series I never felt like he seemed disappointed at all about the devils winning. I don't think he has anything against the devils from when I've heard him in the past.

I do understand why most on here prefer Doc Emrick, he will always be known as the devils announcer


Thorne was alright during the 2000 cup run but the following year he could not stop going on and on about Roy, sakic and bourque. He was a terrible announcer and barely announced and instead just waited until the next point in the game where he felt like he could go into Schtick or have something clever to say.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 10:57 AM

Trade Salvador. Trading the captain sends a message and Salvador shouldn't be in NJ anyway. Win Win.

spoken like a true Devils fan.

 

admit it -- you just want the Best Visiting Fan award this summer.

 

Seriously - I searched my name as poster  and Sal/Salvadore just to see my overall view of him since he's been here - I feel bad but I've just never seen the allure.  Shoot - I'd have given the captaincy just for showing up in the playoffs finally against all odds though... I mean - I have to say something nice about the guy at some point right?  I did admire his coming back from his concussion too. But wtf?  Everyone said he's a great guy.  He has an intellegent expression always too - if a little nervous/scared. nonetheless I never have and I suspect never will understand the value he's providing.  It is and always has been completely and utterly obscured from my view anyhow.  And I have one hell of an imagination and a certain brand of empathy that usually illuminates.. :noclue:  :no-f*cking-clue:  wait - there's no smilie for that last one?

 

Oh so -- yeah - Stevens hasn't bitten off more than he can chew... the food is still on the FREAKING PLATE!  His reticence kills me -- but at least we do have a proven history of finally getting off the pot (as in "sh!t or..") and kicking ass.

 

I don't really see how Lou is doing something wrong.  I get more of a frustrated vibe from you guys - which I can relate to -- but I don't see that he missed any great opportunities.  It's easy to say he shoudl have signed this guy or that but you have no clue as to why he didn't.  NONE.  so guess who I trust more than arm-chair GMs  :uni:


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:37 PM

New blood !

Uncle Albert... love the avatar.  My daughter is IN LOVE with Einstein right now - because he's hilarious and adorable.  The whole smart thing is lost on her.  and she loves the Marx Brothers...  have I written this all here already?  Anyhow - I do wonder what my future son-in-law is going to look like. ^_^


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:50 PM

Uncle Albert... love the avatar.  My daughter is IN LOVE with Einstein right now - because he's hilarious and adorable.  The whole smart thing is lost on her.  and she loves the Marx Brothers...  have I written this all here already?  Anyhow - I do wonder what my future son-in-law is going to look like. ^_^

It'll be a sad, sad day when kids don't enjoy the Marx brothers. You have to hate life and yourself to not enjoy the Marx brothers.


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