Jump to content

Photo

Losing Our First Round Pick Question/


  • Please log in to reply
18 replies to this topic

#1 grcenter47

grcenter47

    Assistant Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,341 posts

Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:11 PM

Let's say that for this coming draft, the Devils have the 17th pick in the first round. Then lets say the Devils make a trade during the season with a bottom tier team and we received a first round pick for this coming draft. If that first round pick we receive is a lot better than the 17th, would the NHL take the better one or our original pick?
  • 0

#2 maxpower

maxpower

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,429 posts

Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:18 PM

It's the pick they own


  • 0

#3 Devil Fan

Devil Fan

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,459 posts

Posted 07 March 2013 - 09:53 PM

What if they trade their 17th overall pick for a 30th pick+ prospect. Can we forfeit that 30th pick? Or will that consider circumvention again?
  • 0

Posted ImagePosted Image

Chocolate + Devil = My life


#4 maxpower

maxpower

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,429 posts

Posted 07 March 2013 - 10:04 PM

What if they trade their 17th overall pick for a 30th pick+ prospect. Can we forfeit that 30th pick? Or will that consider circumvention again?

 

It's the pick they own.    If they opt out this year, which they probably will, that means their 1st round draft pick for next year is erased and there's 31 first round picks.


  • 0

#5 AEWHistory

AEWHistory

    Rookie Devil

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 333 posts

Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:41 PM

I'm not sure youre right here Max. In looking at the old writing clips I found it says the Devils "must surrender A first round pick" or something very similarly in the articles I found. In each case it definitely says "a" pick. It doesn't say they must surrender "their" pick. That is completely different and, frankly, even if Buttman intended it as forcing the Devils to surrender their own pick I would think uncle Lou could use this flabby wording to his advantage.

I'm certainly willing to be educated however. Is there something I'm missing?

Edited by AEWHistory, 07 March 2013 - 11:42 PM.

  • 0
Aaron / AEWHistory --- Rockies/Devils fan since 1981!

Trenton Makes and the World Takes..... Or.... Trenton Uses What the World Refuses

#6 Devils731

Devils731

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 17,518 posts

Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:50 PM

It must be the Devils pick. It's been asked and clarified before.

The only picks the Devils can give up is this year Devils first or next years Devils first, no others.
  • 0
Your unconditional rejection of violence makes you smugly think of yourselves as noble, as enlightened, but in reality it is nothing less than abject moral capitulation to evil. Unconditional rejection of self-defense, because you think its a supposed surrender to violence, leaves you no resort but begging for mercy or offering appeasement.

-Terry Goodkind


Sex Panther cologne -- 50 percent of the time, it works every time.

-Anchorman

The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is now.

-Anonymous

Keeper of Section 212-213's wayward step

#7 maxpower

maxpower

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,429 posts

Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:58 PM

It must be the Devils pick. It's been asked and clarified before.

The only picks the Devils can give up is this year Devils first or next years Devils first, no others.

 

Yep, and I assume if the Devils were to trade their 1 this season, for whatever reason, the league would hold the trade and make sure they understood.   And when they did, they would nuke the 2014 pick.

 

There's nothing keeping them from getting different 1st round picks, but their own pick is either given up this year, or doesn't exist next year.   There's no middle ground.


  • 0

#8 Marshall

Marshall

    Head Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,364 posts

Posted 08 March 2013 - 03:52 AM

Bernier was a 1st rounder, can't we forfeit him?  :giggle:


  • 0

Winner of the 2009-10 Slava Fetisov Award For Best International Poster
Winner of the 2011-2012 RD Avatar Award


#9 Mitico12

Mitico12

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,097 posts

Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:31 AM

Who gets that pick then? If the Devils forfeit one pick, then there is 1 less guy drafted in the first round or does the pick go back to the top of the order and the first team to chose gets another pick before the first round ends?
  • 0

#10 squishyx

squishyx

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,308 posts

Posted 08 March 2013 - 09:31 AM

It's the pick they own.    If they opt out this year, which they probably will, that means their 1st round draft pick for next year is erased and there's 31 first round picks.

How are you getting to 31 first round picks in this scenario? Wouldn't it be 29?
  • 0

#11 ATLL765

ATLL765

    Assistant Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,350 posts

Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:43 AM

Who gets that pick then? If the Devils forfeit one pick, then there is 1 less guy drafted in the first round or does the pick go back to the top of the order and the first team to chose gets another pick before the first round ends?

There's no way anyone gets an extra pick out of it. They will take ours away and the first round will consist of 29 picks. The draft class will be 1 shy of the normal 7rd x 30=210, though wikipedia says most of the last few drafts had classes of 211 players, except 2010 which had 210.

How did that work out to be?


Edited by ATLL765, 08 March 2013 - 10:44 AM.

  • 0

#12 squishyx

squishyx

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,308 posts

Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:08 AM

There's no way anyone gets an extra pick out of it. They will take ours away and the first round will consist of 29 picks. The draft class will be 1 shy of the normal 7rd x 30=210, though wikipedia says most of the last few drafts had classes of 211 players, except 2010 which had 210.

How did that work out to be?

Teams can be awarded picks for various reasons. I believe the Rangers were awarded a 2nd or 3rd pick when their prospectdied in Russia. I also think there is some rule where if you can't sign your 1st round pick to a deal you get awarded a 2nd round. The details might be off but that's the jist.
  • 0

#13 ATLL765

ATLL765

    Assistant Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,350 posts

Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:14 AM

Teams can be awarded picks for various reasons. I believe the Rangers were awarded a 2nd or 3rd pick when their prospectdied in Russia. I also think there is some rule where if you can't sign your 1st round pick to a deal you get awarded a 2nd round. The details might be off but that's the jist.

Good point, but can anyone name the reasons why it would occur more often than not? 2010 was the only year that had 210.


Year - Plyrs Drftd


2005 - 230
2006 - 213
2007 - 211
2008 - 211
2009 - 211
2010 - 210
2011 - 211

So why is it that all of those drafts other than 2010 had more than the 7rd x 30 team?


  • 0

#14 squishyx

squishyx

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,308 posts

Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:20 AM

2011 - Montreal previously received the pick as compensation for not signing 2006 first-round pick David Fischer before August 15, 2010.[34]

2009 - 7.* On March 11, 2009, the NHL general managers agreed to award the 17th selection of the second round as a compensatory pick to the New York Rangers for deceased player Alexei Cherepanov.[18]

2008 - 3. * The Phoenix Coyotes' compensatory second-round pick, awarded for Blake Wheeler rejecting a Coyotes contract offer and becoming a free agent,[4] went to the Anaheim Ducks due to a trade on June 20, 2008, that sent the 27th-overall pick to Phoenix in exchange for the 39th-overall pick and this pick.

2007 - ^ See pick 16. Previously awarded to Minnesota as compensation for losing rights to 2004 first-round pick (12th overall) A.J. Thelen, June 2, 2007.

2006 - not sure, prob something along the previous lines

2005 - There were a ton of compensatory picks handed out mostly in the later rounds, I'm not sure exactly why but that was also the lockout draft.

Edited by squishyx, 08 March 2013 - 11:23 AM.

  • 0

#15 devlman

devlman

    General Manager

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,060 posts

Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:24 PM

Can you imagine if we forfeited this year's pick when we are hosting the draft :doh1:


  • 0

#16 thefiestygoat

thefiestygoat

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,323 posts

Posted 08 March 2013 - 04:15 PM

Can you imagine if we forfeited this year's pick when we are hosting the draft :doh1:

While I highly doubt it because of how strong this class is, I wouldn't put it past Lou to do that. :P


  • 0

RIP Pat Burns -- RIP Alexander Vasyunov and Lokomotiv Yaroslavl
Winner of the 2008 Sergei Brylin Award for Most Underrated Poster
Co-Winner of the 2011 Scott Bertoli Award for Best Minor League Poster, Winner of the 2012 Scott Bertoli Award


#17 maxpower

maxpower

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,429 posts

Posted 10 March 2013 - 01:14 AM

How are you getting to 31 first round picks in this scenario? Wouldn't it be 29?

 

Yeah, I had football on the brain.


  • 0

#18 NJDevs4978

NJDevs4978

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,687 posts

Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:04 AM

Can you imagine if we forfeited this year's pick when we are hosting the draft :doh1:

 

At the rate we're going it'll probably be a top ten pick, so no freaking way :P


  • 0
"The Devils have high standards, that's the difference. We have a standard to live up to every year, and a couple of teams in our area don't have the standards we do." - Pat Burns

The New Jersey Devils win Stanley Cups everywhere:
-NHL record for most road wins in the playoffs - 10-1 in '95 and 10-2 in '00
-NHL record for most home wins in the playoffs - 12-1 in '03

#19 vadvlfan

vadvlfan

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,637 posts

Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:45 PM

The rock will be loaded with Dev fans this year, Lou can't give it up this year
  • 0

"Never make someone a priority when all you are to them is an option" - M.A.





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users