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#161 SterioDesign

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:27 AM

i'll say it again willing to get some "ah give me a fvcking break" or "let it go".

 

but again... last year Deboer and the staff put a C on a guy who they called the "heart and soul" of the team, he was also part of every part of the game that made us successful in a long run.

 

and he's gone and Lou didnt replace ANY parts of what he was bringing either production wise or intangible wise... then slapped the C on a useless dman who should get scratch on most night.

 

so don't call me out on this cause it's absolutely true and anyone denying it is simply in denial now. The stats or wtv what you want to look at will agree with it. Its not "no big deal" to lose your "heart and soul" coaches doesnt throw those names around cause it sounds cute, it was legit.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:29 AM

This team is O U T out of the playoffs and rightfully so, it will be a major waste of time and money if they get there...the team just is NOT good at all. It happens.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:37 AM

Man i wish we could go back to the beginning of the season it was looking like it was going to be an awsome year idk wtf happened. .. Theres still alot of hockey left but after the past three or four games i think were just all so damn disappointed here some of us are throwing in the towel early it seems. We all know this team is capable of much better then what theyve been giving.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:41 AM

i'll say it again willing to get some "ah give me a fvcking break" or "let it go".

 

but again... last year Deboer and the staff put a C on a guy who they called the "heart and soul" of the team, he was also part of every part of the game that made us successful in a long run.

 

and he's gone and Lou didnt replace ANY parts of what he was bringing either production wise or intangible wise... then slapped the C on a useless dman who should get scratch on most night.

 

so don't call me out on this cause it's absolutely true and anyone denying it is simply in denial now. The stats or wtv what you want to look at will agree with it. Its not "no big deal" to lose your "heart and soul" coaches doesnt throw those names around cause it sounds cute, it was legit.

 

OK, I'll say it:

 

LET

 

IT

 

GO!

 

You've beaten this dead horse to the point where there is absolutely nothing left to beat.  Most Devils fans didn't think it was going to be business as usual after Parise left...a lot of us knew it was going to hurt.  But life goes on.  I know, you think Lou should've just been able to replace Parise or parts of Parise's skillsets in the course of one off-season.  Clearly this going to take him some time.  Are the Devils better off right now?  No, but for some reason you seem to think you're the only one who was able to see this...like I said, I think almost to a fan we all knew losing Parise was going to hurt.  Will the Devils be better off in the future?  Probably, based on the absurdity of Parise's contract. 

 

 

Anyway, seriously, stop acting like you're being so profound here.  YES, THE DEVILS WERE HURT BY THE LOSS OF PARISE FOR 2013.  And you're not the only one to see it.  Lamenting it over and over and OVER again as annoyingly as possible won't change that fact either. 

 

Can we move on now, and start wondering how the Devils turn this season around with the players that they DO have? 


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:46 AM

Man i wish we could go back to the beginning of the season it was looking like it was going to be an awsome year idk wtf happened. .. Theres still alot of hockey left but after the past three or four games i think were just all so damn disappointed here some of us are throwing in the towel early it seems. We all know this team is capable of much better then what theyve been giving.

 

I wouldn't say throwing in the towel, but when you step back and analyze what we've seen, I think Lou and Co. have to keep an open mind.  Losing Kovy clearly hurt, especially for a team that has enough trouble scoring as it is.  I always try to remain optimistic, but the Devils have serious trouble putting pucks in the net and keeping them out of their own net.  Their one saving grace as a team has been their ability to keep opposing shot totals down.  I just don't know how I can parlay that into "this team has a great chance to get it going".


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:56 AM

OK, I'll say it:

 

LET

 

IT

 

GO!

 

You've beaten this dead horse to the point where there is absolutely nothing left to beat.  Most Devils fans didn't think it was going to be business as usual after Parise left...a lot of us knew it was going to hurt.  But life goes on.  I know, you think Lou should've just been able to replace Parise or parts of Parise's skillsets in the course of one off-season.  Clearly this going to take him some time.  Are the Devils better off right now?  No, but for some reason you seem to think you're the only one who was able to see this...like I said, I think almost to a fan we all knew losing Parise was going to hurt.  Will the Devils be better off in the future?  Probably, based on the absurdity of Parise's contract. 

 

 

Anyway, seriously, stop acting like you're being so profound here.  YES, THE DEVILS WERE HURT BY THE LOSS OF PARISE FOR 2013.  And you're not the only one to see it.  Lamenting it over and over and OVER again as annoyingly as possible won't change that fact either. 

 

Can we move on now, and start wondering how the Devils turn this season around with the players that they DO have? 

 

no i don't think im the only one and well im just pointing it out cause there's still people saying it was no big deal and put the blame on henrique and kovy for not being good enough and the PP and the SO and everything while we're missing Zach which for all of those things or players Zach was a big part of its/their success. and are just in denial or keep saying were the same team as last year so everything should be alright. Thats all.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:10 AM

@TGfireandice: DeBoer said Zajac tried to play through a "flu virus" and was "throwing up all night."


Ah..that would explain it.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:26 AM

Ah..that would explain it.

 

for yesterday and this weekend maybe... but whats the excuse for the rest of the season?


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:52 AM

Not being able to score goals should not shock anyone because Lou didn't really do anything to address the loss of Parise. Sure, D'Agostini and Loktianov are nice players, but they arent locks to produce consistently like Parise was. Honestly, if someone said we were in 7th with 12-ish games left, I would be thrilled. We control our own destiny but the road ahead is tough.  

 

However, if we go 4-8 down the stretch and pick in the top 10 I wont be upset considering we have to forfeit our first next year


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:04 AM

Not being able to score goals should not shock anyone because Lou didn't really do anything to address the loss of Parise. Sure, D'Agostini and Loktianov are nice players, but they arent locks to produce consistently like Parise was. Honestly, if someone said we were in 7th with 12-ish games left, I would be thrilled. We control our own destiny but the road ahead is tough.  

 

However, if we go 4-8 down the stretch and pick in the top 10 I wont be upset considering we have to forfeit our first next year

 

I don't think anyone though Zajac would have just 5 goals to this point...that is shocking.  I also think Lou was probably expecting more goals out of Elias and Kovy, hoping Clarkson could have another year approaching last season, that Henrique could also pick up some of the slack, etc.  I said it on another thread, but I think Lou was looking to replace some of the scoring that was lost with Parise from within, in the aggregate, probably starting with Zajac (since he played in just 15 games last season, he's a guy Lou probably said, "Well, I didn't have him last season, so there's some scoring we'll get this season").  As it turns out, it's from an out-of-nowhere outsider (Loktionov) who has helped (a little bit) offset some of the lost Parise goals, as almost everyone else that Lou was probably hoping could pick up the slack really hasn't.  Clarkson did early on. 


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:10 AM

I don't think anyone though Zajac would have just 5 goals to this point...that is shocking.  I also think Lou was probably expecting more goals out of Elias and Kovy, hoping Clarkson could have another year approaching last season, that Henrique could also pick up some of the slack, etc.  I said it on another thread, but I think Lou was looking to replace some of the scoring that was lost with Parise from within, in the aggregate, probably starting with Zajac (since he played in just 15 games last season, he's a guy Lou probably said, "Well, I didn't have him last season, so there's some scoring we'll get this season").  As it turns out, it's a from out-of-nowhere outsider (Loktionov) who has helped (a little bit) offset some of the lost Parise goals, as almost everyone else that Lou was probably hoping could pick up the slack really hasn't.  Clarkson did early on. 

Yeah that's true and Kovalchuk, Zajac and Clarkson (the last 20 games) have been disappointments so far. 

 

Anyone else getting sick of Clarkson? He is an offensive black hole when he isn't scoring and his bitching to the refs schtick is getting old. I think Deboer should put him on the "third" line because its clear he's dragging down Elias and Zajac. 


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:13 AM

I don't think anyone though Zajac would have just 5 goals to this point...that is shocking.  I also think Lou was probably expecting more goals out of Elias and Kovy, hoping Clarkson could have another year approaching last season, that Henrique could also pick up some of the slack, etc.  I said it on another thread, but I think Lou was looking to replace some of the scoring that was lost with Parise from within, in the aggregate, probably starting with Zajac (since he played in just 15 games last season, he's a guy Lou probably said, "Well, I didn't have him last season, so there's some scoring we'll get this season").  As it turns out, it's a from out-of-nowhere outsider (Loktionov) who has helped (a little bit) offset some of the lost Parise goals, as almost everyone else that Lou was probably hoping could pick up the slack really hasn't.  Clarkson did early on. 

 

I'd guess he was also expecting Butler to return to 2011 form. A lot of people get on him for that signing, but its one of those ones that would have been worshipped as a genius move if it paid off. 


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:17 AM

Yeah that's true and Kovalchuk, Zajac and Clarkson (the last 20 games) have been disappointments so far.

Anyone else getting sick of Clarkson? He is an offensive black hole when he isn't scoring and his bitching to the refs schtick is getting old. I think Deboer should put him on the "third" line because its clear he's dragging down Elias and Zajac.


I'd rather see ANY of our bottom 6 on the 2nd line RW than Clarkson.

He isn't even trying to back check or hustle. It's like he acquired Kovy's old bad habits without ANYTHING resembling offensive prowess. He's a liability more than an asset.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:20 AM

I'd guess he was also expecting Butler to return to 2011 form. A lot of people get on him for that signing, but its one of those ones that would have been worshipped as a genius move if it paid off. 

 

One of those low-risk, possible medium-to-high reward deals that have occasionally worked out for Lou in the past.  Just didn't this time.

 

Zajac now has 20 goals in his last 133 GP (regular season).  That wouldn't be so concerning, expect that now he's getting paid good money (and will be for quite some time), and that the Devils really need him to score more often than he does.  If Zajac is going to be a 15-20 goal guy at best when the Devils really need him to be 20+ (preferably closer to 25), suffice it to say, that ain't good.   


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:31 AM

One of those low-risk, possible medium-to-high reward deals that have occasionally worked out for Lou in the past.  Just didn't this time.

 

Zajac now has 20 goals in his last 133 GP (regular season).  That wouldn't be so concerning, expect that now he's getting paid good money (and will be for quite some time), and that the Devils really need him to score more often than he does.  If Zajac is going to be a 15-20 goal guy at best when the Devils really need him to be 20+ (preferably closer to 25), suffice it to say, that ain't good.   

 

It's the rare forward who maintains an 8% shooting percentage.  Zajac's shot decline would be worrisome but that is probably the effect of losing Parise off his line.  I also think it typically takes 18 months to fully recover from an Achilles injury.  I expect Zajac to be at 2 shots game, 10% shooting percentage, which over 80 games is around 16 goals.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:40 AM

So our last 12 is :

 

Bos x2, Tor x2, Rags x2, Philly, Florida, Sabres, Ottawa, Pens and MTL

 

I expect to lose both to Boston, split with the Rags and Toronto, beat Philly, Florida, the Sens and Sabres, but lose to Pitt and MTL. That is 6-6 which would give us 51 points


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:41 AM

i'll say it again willing to get some "ah give me a fvcking break" or "let it go".

 

but again... last year Deboer and the staff put a C on a guy who they called the "heart and soul" of the team, he was also part of every part of the game that made us successful in a long run.

 

and he's gone and Lou didnt replace ANY parts of what he was bringing either production wise or intangible wise... then slapped the C on a useless dman who should get scratch on most night.

 

so don't call me out on this cause it's absolutely true and anyone denying it is simply in denial now. The stats or wtv what you want to look at will agree with it. Its not "no big deal" to lose your "heart and soul" coaches doesnt throw those names around cause it sounds cute, it was legit.

 

The Devils were 16-6 in OT/shootout games last year.  They are 3-9 this year.   Parise was a big part of that with his shootout ability, there's no doubt, but people think last year's team was this amazing club - they snuck into 6th by virtue of dominating the shootout and OT.  Had they gone 6-16, like the Devils would be on pace to do in an 82 game season, they would've been tied for 8th place with the Senators and Capitals, and certainly would've been in much more of a dogfight for the playoffs.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:52 AM

It's the rare forward who maintains an 8% shooting percentage.  Zajac's shot decline would be worrisome but that is probably the effect of losing Parise off his line.  I also think it typically takes 18 months to fully recover from an Achilles injury.  I expect Zajac to be at 2 shots game, 10% shooting percentage, which over 80 games is around 16 goals.

 

I caught the low shooting% and drop in shots over that time frame.  I have him at 15-20 goals per season going forward, which if you are predicting around 16 per season going forward, then we're basically of like minds on this.  But unless the Devils find scoring elsewhere, 16 or so probably won't cut it.  I don't think the Devils signed him up long-term hoping he was going to top out at that.  Of course, in a perfect world, sometime in the next few years they may not have to count on Zajac to put pucks home at the 20-25 per season they probably would like to see. 

 

Re:  last season's team...yeah, there's been a tendency to blow them up...that being said, after that 12-12-1 start, they did go 36-16-5, and had the Cup run, which is very easy on the eyes, regardless of how the wins came.  Most of the Devils' shakier play that season happened in those first 25 games or so. 


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 09:04 AM

The Devils were 16-6 in OT/shootout games last year.  They are 3-9 this year.   Parise was a big part of that with his shootout ability, there's no doubt, but people think last year's team was this amazing club - they snuck into 6th by virtue of dominating the shootout and OT.  Had they gone 6-16, like the Devils would be on pace to do in an 82 game season, they would've been tied for 8th place with the Senators and Capitals, and certainly would've been in much more of a dogfight for the playoffs.

 

well i never said last year's team was incredible. But we had balanced line at the end and had a 30 goals scorer on each of our first 3 lines and a 4th line that we're playing really well. We had a good PK too. Simply slice a chunk of our SO wins and add a few PP goals against here and there and like you said we could have been out.

 

Lot's of people are bitching about Clarkson though lately, i feel he's playing the same exact way he always being playing. he's strong behind the net, making the same dumb plays, taking shots from anywhere while 90% of them are completely useless and have no chance of going in. He's just not getting his lucky goals now. He's not better or worst than he was.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 09:18 AM

Poor Kostopoulos, he was the only one who gave a sh!t in those first ten minutes and he payed the price for it.

I'm with you there -- I hope he got kudos and everyone feels like an a$$hole. 

 

I dont know I just imagine this team being spacey wimpy jerkoffs in the locker room. Maybe one dude making loud whooping noises occasionally to try in a very transparent way to get everyone stoked... with the unspoken: for another losing venture, looming on the air.

 

I think that it is important actually that people acknowledge what Parise brought to the locker room.  Why?  Because a guy DOES indeed leave that stuff behind when he departs.  People learn from it. You don't take it with you - the team you left has the choice of picking up the flag and continuing the rally -- or they wuss out and whine about how they lost this or that -- it's garbage. 

 

That is why fans get mad at other fans for saying it.  The team has control - if they refuse to take it - that's not Praise's doing.  The TEAM made that vacancy.  They filled it no problem in the fast start of the season.  That's the problem with strong starts.  Guys have time to think - and they always choose to think the worst of themselves (if they're losers  <_<) At the first sign of adversity they immediately lose focus and abandon all personal responsibility -- and the coaches LET THEM WUSS OUT.  They give them permission to shed all feelings of accountability - to fail - by saying Oh you know it's ok -- all that sh!t they spew to shut up the reporters and bloggers.  This team -- it almost seems like a game they play - they manipulate management by accepting the blame.  By weeping Mia culpa and fvcking up all team chemistry so management HAS to give them a bye.  It's crap - complete crap and has been going on for a decade.  This is somehow Lou's failing because he is the lone consistency in the management team.  Maybe Marty is the guy perpetuating the tactic - it IS a goalies thing, selfless finger pointing It'e all my fault - you knwo I' the goalie and I'm nto supposed to lead but we all know I shoudl be  "nononono  that's not part of your job description (insert goalie's internal self satisfied smirk - There's no smirking going on here thinks anyone reading this - MY ASS!  If there is no success then SOMEONE is not doing enough -- NO ONE is doing enough.  <_<  jackasses.

 

So annoying.  There is no such thing as an intangible - EVERYTHING dubbed an intangible can be learned.  Beginning of the season it was fresh in their brain.  Winning early always shocks the knowledge out of every jackasses head.


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