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#61 maxpower

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:54 PM

At the end, yes.  Still was plus territorially and got more pucks on net than Tedenby could ever hope to in that kind of ice time.

 

At the beginning he was playing with Kovalchuk.  It's the same thing as Nick.   He wasn't playing full games like Nick was, but they were protecting him with good linemates most of the time.


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#62 Triumph

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:00 PM

At the beginning he was playing with Kovalchuk.  It's the same thing as Nick.   He wasn't playing full games like Nick was, but they were protecting him with good linemates most of the time.

 

Palmieri ES shots/60, 2010-11:  6.3

Matteau ES shots/60, 2012-13:  8.1

 

Palmieri Fenwick %, 2010-11:  50.6%

Matteau Fenwick %, 2012-13:  52.5%

 

So, comparable, but Matteau knew what his role was there - drive the net.  He slowed down probably as the league caught up, but he was not way sub NHL.  Tedenby very well might be.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:18 PM

Palmieri ES shots/60, 2010-11:  7.5

Matteau ES shots/60, 2012-13:  8.1

 

Palmieri Fenwick %, 2010-11:  50.6%

Matteau Fenwick %, 2012-13:  52.5%

 

So, comparable, but Matteau knew what his role was there - drive the net.  He slowed down probably as the league caught up, but he was not way sub NHL.  Tedenby very well might be.

 

When it came to moving the puck, receiving it and reading plays, Matteau definitely was.   I don't want to dump on the kid too much, he's an 18 year old junior and he wasn't a blue chipper that should be playing at 18 in the first place.

 

We're basically arguing about two very different bad players.   Tedenby can receive the puck and move it when he's not being Captain Dangles.   But if he had to take the body twice a game or more, he'd be leaving in a pine box.    I just think if you're going to draft a weird player (and they did pass on Carlson and Ennis to draft him), you have to live with the warts and develop them.   Otherwise, what's the point of drafting them?

 

He really hadn't done anything out of the ordinary (for him) to have the plug pulled.   


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:27 PM

When it came to moving the puck, receiving it and reading plays, Matteau definitely was.   I don't want to dump on the kid too much, he's an 18 year old junior and he wasn't a blue chipper that should be playing at 18 in the first place.

 

We're basically arguing about two very different bad players.   Tedenby can receive the puck and move it when he's not being Captain Dangles.   But if he had to take the body twice a game or more, he'd be leaving in a pine box.    I just think if you're going to draft a weird player (and they did pass on Carlson and Ennis to draft him), you have to live with the warts and develop them.   Otherwise, what's the point of drafting them?

 

He really hadn't done anything out of the ordinary (for him) to have the plug pulled.   

 

BTW I got a number wrong there, Palmieri was at 6.25 shots/60 at ES that year.

 

If the Devils want to keep going with Tedenby, fine, but he has done zero to demonstrate that he has NHL potential besides his first 25 NHL games.  The list of players with those sorts of numbers in the AHL in their Y-20, Y-21, Y-22 seasons who went on to be, say, regular 40 point players in the NHL is limited.  If a guy's going to be real good, he should smash the AHL - the AHL is for future 3rd and 4th liners.  Not many guys who end up being top players go there anymore.

 

His zone defense in Game 4 earned him the heave-ho - he had absolutely no idea what he was doing.  Both DeBoer and Lou cited this, implicitly, when they talked about the decision to send him down.  Lou said:  "He’s just got to settle down a little and go to Albany and have some success and get his game under control because he’s certainly a prospect.

 

It's probably better if he goes to an international league next year because then he's not waiver-eligible and if he becomes something, they can get him back.  I don't think he'll become something, though.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:19 AM

Matteau was better than Tedenby.  Tedenby was horrible.  Nor do I think Matteau was 'way sub NHL'.

You weren't watching the games my friend. Teddy also played on those awful lines with barch and/or janssen, but lets leave that part out huh. and when he was on a line with patty he created scoring chances. but youre overwhelming hate for our prospect has your blinders up. 


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:25 AM

You weren't watching the games my friend. Teddy also played on those awful lines with barch and/or janssen, but lets leave that part out huh. and when he was on a line with patty he created scoring chances. but youre overwhelming hate for our prospect has your blinders up. 

 

Our prospect probably won't be playing here next year.  I don't have 'overwhelming hate' for him, he's just not very good and probably won't amount to anything in the NHL.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:42 AM

Kinda obvious that Tedenby's chances of succeeding here are slim to none
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:32 PM

I think with Teds, it's important to remember he's generously listed at 5'10" by the NHL, while he's probably much smaller.  Did Brian Gionta put up ridiculous numbers while in the AHL? No. Giving up on a prospect player while he's still young is a little foolish.  I'd be more inclined to believe your claims about Tedenby if we could compare the microstats numbers of Gionta with Tedenby when they were of similar age.  This doesn't account for Teds poor defense either though.  There's still a chance for this kid.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:49 PM

I think with Teds, it's important to remember he's generously listed at 5'10" by the NHL, while he's probably much smaller.  Did Brian Gionta put up ridiculous numbers while in the AHL? No. Giving up on a prospect player while he's still young is a little foolish.  I'd be more inclined to believe your claims about Tedenby if we could compare the microstats numbers of Gionta with Tedenby when they were of similar age.  This doesn't account for Teds poor defense either though.  There's still a chance for this kid.

 

I'm a Tedenby Homer, if you will. I want him to succeed (hello nationalism) but while Gionta dominated at college, Tedenby hasn't dominated since the J20 level. 

 

In the end, I think he went over too early. Then again, he might just not be cut out for NA hockey. If he went back to the SEL I'm sure he'll be a good top 6 forward for HV71.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:56 PM

Our prospect probably won't be playing here next year.  I don't have 'overwhelming hate' for him, he's just not very good and probably won't amount to anything in the NHL.

 

I would have to agree with this.  Teddy's just not strong enough right now.  He has the talent, but gets pushed off the puck way too easily.  Maybe he can develop that strength and puck control, but it's a long shot.  Until he does, he's not an NHL player.  He also has a weak shot, but there are plenty of NHL that don't have a great shot (Parise is one) and overcome that by scoring goals through being in good position all the time.

 

Combine all that with the fact that he is horrible in his own end, and it doesn't look good for his long term viability right now.  Hopefully he will be a late bloomer and develop into a top 6 guy, but I'm not holding my breath on that.


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