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#241 Uncle Albert

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 01:13 PM

keep in mind that with Lou its not always what makes more sense that is happening... look at the Salvador contract. So we could very well see a 4 years contract for Patty

Sals contract is ridiculous, With Patty though, I highly doubt any teams will pay him 6 mill or better at 37 yrs old. offer him a 3yr/12 mill. Just to finish out his career here. :blahblah:


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:01 PM

i could see patty ending up with something close to a 3year/15mill. or maybe a little less like 4.5/year
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:16 AM

Elias has a lot of positive things to say about the team mates and the coach. It's safe to say that if he is asked, he will stay.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:24 AM

Elias has a lot of positive things to say about the team mates and the coach. It's safe to say that if he is asked, he will stay.

 

just read that too it was encouraging, we absolutely need Elias.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:28 AM

It is also good to see that Patty, who probably has the highest hockey IQ on the team, says that Pete is a great coach.  (For a select few that were calling for Pete's head)


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:52 AM

one of my big problem with Lou and the way he handled Zach or any UFA situation waiting last minute is that we're losing them for NOTHING. 

 

i mean obviously if you're in a position to make a run or in the playoffs it's hard to go and trade away some of your top players, and the team is more important than one player.

 

But the way he's doing it he's really putting himself in a corner and it's a HUGE gamble. 

 

If he knows he wants to re-sign a certain UFA, approach him in the season and if you see that the players want to wait for free agency... means he may have a foot out of the door already, so well it might suck to trade one of your top player but it's a business, play hard ball. and its only common sense...

 

THIS is what Lou should have done with Zach and should do with any top players:

 

"Buddy you can either re-sign now if you really want to be here we'll deal the numbers and get it done but if you want to be here we'll make it happen, if you want to test the market and see the interest out there, I cannot risk losing you for nothing so i have to deal you for assets and if you can't get a good offer you can still re-sign here in july but i CAN'T lose you for nothing. The ball is in your court now." 

 

Nothing wrong with that approach, it's not disrespectful, it's only common sense. Players and agents would understand the situation and it's putting you in a situation to really bounce back and set yourself to find solutions faster. You're in the driver seat then. And you can get a bigger return than if you trade him after the season for free agency, cause teams knows then the guy want to test the market, you dont give up assets and trade for his rights risking to lose him too like Philly with Hamhuis.

 

Do the Devils get to within two victories of a SC without Parise last season?  How well do you think it would've flown with both the Devil players and the Devils fans if Lou had traded Parise in-season, when the team had clearly come together after a rocky start and was playing good hockey?  And as we saw with the Devils gave up for Kovy, the returns don't always amount to as much as one might think.      

 

Stop acting like you have a better handle on how to do Lou's job than Lou does.  Lou should've done this and Lou should've done that, blah blah blah.  Maybe Lou simply thought he had a very good chance to re-sign Parise, and thought Parise helped to give the Devils the best chance to win the Cup in 2012, and a SC run like the one the Devils enjoyed made a good case as any for why re-signing with the Devils would've been a good move for Parise. 

 

It...just...didn't...work...out, as far as Parise leaving goes. 

 

But are you now saying you didn't want the 48-28-6 season you saw last season?  The Devils taking out two hated rivals in both the Flyers and the Rangers on the way to the SCF?  Do you think all of that happens without Parise last year? 

 

And what you keep forgetting is Parise was coming off a knee injury before the '11-'12 season.  His trade value was probably not that high coming into the '11-'12 campaign.  And it took him a while to get going that year...when he found his stride, the Devils were really playing terrific hockey...after a 12-12-1 start that included 5 SO wins, the Devils went 36-16-5.  Lou was supposed to potentially wreck that team's mojo?  This is why you have to stop looking at everything so damned black-and-white.  There were a lot of shades of gray that made everything involving Parise much trickier than you want to believe.             


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:07 AM

Parise didnt even want to be here I don't know why everyone keeps ranting over him like seriously i miss the player he was too but enough is enough what are we going to bitch about this for the next five years?.. Plain and simple didnt want to be a part of this team accept it move on already.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:18 AM

Parise didnt even want to be here I don't know why everyone keeps ranting over him like seriously i miss the player he was too but enough is enough what are we going to bitch about this for the next five years?.. Plain and simple didnt want to be a part of this team accept it move on already.

 

Who's everyone?  SD is really the one who keeps bringing it up. 


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:27 AM

Is that 35+ rule still in effect in this CBA?  Although I doubt Elias would decline like Rolston did, but I'm wary of that damn rule after how badly burned the Devils got on that contract.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:30 AM

3 year/ 15 M.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:38 AM

Do the Devils get to within two victories of a SC without Parise last season?  How well do you think it would've flown with both the Devil players and the Devils fans if Lou had traded Parise in-season, when the team had clearly come together after a rocky start and was playing good hockey?  And as we saw with the Devils gave up for Kovy, the returns don't always amount to as much as one might think.      

 

Stop acting like you have a better handle on how to do Lou's job than Lou does.  Lou should've done this and Lou should've done that, blah blah blah.  Maybe Lou simply thought he had a very good chance to re-sign Parise, and thought Parise helped to give the Devils the best chance to win the Cup in 2012, and a SC run like the one the Devils enjoyed made a good case as any for why re-signing with the Devils would've been a good move for Parise. 

 

It...just...didn't...work...out, as far as Parise leaving goes. 

 

But are you now saying you didn't want the 48-28-6 season you saw last season?  The Devils taking out two hated rivals in both the Flyers and the Rangers on the way to the SCF?  Do you think all of that happens without Parise last year? 

 

And what you keep forgetting is Parise was coming off a knee injury before the '11-'12 season.  His trade value was probably not that high coming into the '11-'12 campaign.  And it took him a while to get going that year...when he found his stride, the Devils were really playing terrific hockey...after a 12-12-1 start that included 5 SO wins, the Devils went 36-16-5.  Lou was supposed to potentially wreck that team's mojo?  This is why you have to stop looking at everything so damned black-and-white.  There were a lot of shades of gray that made everything involving Parise much trickier than you want to believe.             

 

Even if Parise had some desire to re-up, no team would negotiate against themselves in season and get to a near $100 million contract, unless you're talking about Sidney Crosby. 

 

I have no idea whether in his heart of hearts that he wanted to be here, and no one even knows what the Devils' final offer was.  But it is a very good bet that had the current CBA been in place last season, he'd be on the Devils right now, and that an extension might have been worked out during the season. 


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

Who's everyone?  SD is really the one who keeps bringing it up. 

im not speaking about one specific person, im generally saying.. in numerous posts everyone keeps crying over him.. time to let it go ..
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:07 PM

Who's everyone?  SD is really the one who keeps bringing it up. 

It gets brought up by tons of people when they say Clarky is going to Toronto and about how Zajac was clearly going to head for Winni as soon as he hit UFA, until the moment he signed here. It wasn't just one or two people.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:09 PM

It gets brought up by tons of people when they say Clarky is going to Toronto and about how Zajac was clearly going to head for Winni as soon as he hit UFA, until the moment he signed here. It wasn't just one or two people.

 

SD brings it up the most, but you are right, others bring it up too.  I think a lot of Devils fans have moved past it though.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:14 PM

Just trying to think where Patrik would go. At this stage in his career, where would be best? Can't see him staying East out of respect for Lou and the team, but where else would be possible?

 

Minnesota could afford him if they buyout Heatley, and possibly even if he was still there.

Chicago maybe, but their capspace is very limited.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:19 PM

Just trying to think where Patrik would go. At this stage in his career, where would be best? Can't see him staying East out of respect for Lou and the team, but where else would be possible?

Minnesota could afford him if they buyout Heatley, and possibly even if he was still there.
Chicago maybe, but their capspace is very limited.


If he does leave I think he would stay in the East. Most players around his age usually like to factor in a better travel schedule more and more in their decisions. Even with the re-alignment the east still has a far better travel schedule than the west.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:21 PM

Elias is playing as good as any player for us out there, so Lou will give him the offer he gave Parise, something reasonable. In Parise's case, lover boy had to go off with his boyfriend to a land far away for a silly amount that will cripple that team, in Elias' case, he made it clear in the tweets I mentioned that he's not one of the 'we'll see what the off season brings people. He's a true Devil and said he loves the team and coach and doesn't see himself anywhere else. 


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:28 PM

3years, 10.5, he's 37, and the 35+ rule can be cruel...


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:28 PM

35+ doesn't exist anymore.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:40 PM

35+ doesn't exist anymore.

OK, he is still 37 and not getting younger... 2 years 3 mil per...


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