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#121 ThreeCups

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:56 AM

In terms of Marketing and PR, Lou is rock bottom.

 

As for putting a great product on the ice, he is one of the best.  Thing is, he is losing some of his magic.  I am not saying that just to be spiteful, but after 25 years of being GM of the same team that magic is going to wear off eventually.  He still shows flashes of it, but he is not seemingly pulling rabbits out of a hat like he used to.  IDK maybe he just spoiled us early on but we also shouldn't let his accomplishments in the past cloud our future outlook in terms of his position.  Like we always say we hate it when he gives out lifeteam achievement contracts to players we also shouldn't let him have a lifetime of getting himself off the hook because of what he did in the past.

These are my sentiments in a nutshell.....


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:59 AM

$2.5M. Ok, because that's not more ridiculous than $6M? Count his goals again and tell me he deserves less than his last contract. Unbelievable.

 

I think Clarkie is worth $4M for what he brings to the table....but I can see a team offering him closer to $5M/year on average...if so, it is an overpayment


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 10:03 AM

I think Clarkie is worth $4M for what he brings to the table....but I can see a team offering him closer to $5M/year on average...if so, it is an overpayment

That's how I feel. $2.5M is absolutely ridiculous though. People on here go nuts when someone has a good or bad streak. OMG HE'S WORTH $6M in UFA, HE'S GONNA LEAVE TO GO HOME! Then he has a bad streak and it's all HE'S WORTHLESS, BUT HE'LL STILL GET $6M IN UFA EVEN THOUGH HE'S ONLY WORTH A SACK OF POTATOS!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:42 PM

In a perfect world, Patty would re-sign at a reasonable rate and end his career having played for only the Devils.

 

But it's so rare that things work out like that these days.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:25 PM

If we had an owner who operated like Lou and followed his philosophy and management principles, Lou would have been fired by now and probably back when Lou first got into trouble with the Cap.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:57 PM

Players who go UFA get over paid 99% of the time.  The same will be the case for both Clarkson and Elias.  Not having Elias's two-way game is going to hurt extremely badly should he decide to leave.  Clarkson is the rare mix of toughness and skill that is very valuable.  Both players bring a lot to a team and is why they will both get paid well.  It doesn't matter that Elias has been around since Santa first started giving out presents.  Age will not hurt his pay day.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:46 AM

Players who go UFA get over paid 99% of the time.  The same will be the case for both Clarkson and Elias.  Not having Elias's two-way game is going to hurt extremely badly should he decide to leave.  Clarkson is the rare mix of toughness and skill that is very valuable.  Both players bring a lot to a team and is why they will both get paid well.  It doesn't matter that Elias has been around since Santa first started giving out presents.  Age will not hurt his pay day.

 

Not sure if the UFA market is going to be the same with the cap reductions.   Teams will struggle to get under the cap, so I can't see they overspending anymore.     I agree 100% , if we lose Elias -  we are done.   You can' t replace your most responible two way player and leading scorer.  He can play two more years and still be in our top 3 scoreres he is that good. 

 

 There is a reason teams want Clarkson: he is that rare breed of toughness and skill, which we also can't afford to lose.  Lou should renegotiate now before he goes to the market. 


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:58 AM

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:01 AM

just resign elias....

 

As far as we are concern with clarkson nobody will offer him 5 million (hey cap reduction is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!11)

 

3-4 millions for clarksy! even that i found it overpaid


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:05 AM

In a perfect world, Patty would re-sign at a reasonable rate and end his career having played for only the Devils.
 
But it's so rare that things work out like that these days.

i really cant see patty playing in a different jersey enless they dog him with some bs offer or something that forces him to go else where.. this guy is a devil, he will end as a devil.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:10 AM

i really cant see patty playing in a different jersey enless they dog him with some bs offer or something that forces him to go else where.. this guy is a devil, he will end as a devil.

 

I agree.  I don't think Lou will let him walk, especially since he's probably our 2nd best player right now, and still is putting up very respectable numbers.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:19 AM

and hes only 37, we will have him with us for a few more years to come yet
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 10:59 AM

In a perfect world, Patty would re-sign at a reasonable rate and end his career having played for only the Devils.

 

But it's so rare that things work out like that these days.

He;s under confident if he walks.  Why ruin all the effort you put in to a career with a team just to snub them in the end.  Sure how many Mr Devils can you have in your history... but still.  you build a house.... I guess it's fine to move out of it for more money or something :noclue:  I'm just one of those people who enjoy being loyal.  I'm not being sarcastic or saying it's the way of integrity.  I really dont feel that way.

 

If Patty chooses to go somewhere else I'm happy for him -- and it makes that much more space in our rafters.  i wouldn't want him to stay merely for a chance to get his number retired or any of that.  It should be a non-issue.  I guess I like nice tidy packages -- clean stories with no lose ends - no after thoughts like "and then he played his final year with the Rangers who traded him to the Flyers who relegated him to the AHL when no one picked him up on waivers.  

 

And maybe Patty should have gotten all insane at the start of the season like Stevens and his fair market value hissy fit when he was about Patty's age.   It would be nice if Lou took steps before July 1st.  But to read "it's to late now" which it sort of seems like Patty just said....   if I was Lou I think I'd think -- OK well then good - you can go lower on the priorities because you've already said it's too late.  I dont know... I dont know what to tell the guy. 


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:51 AM

He;s under confident if he walks.  Why ruin all the effort you put in to a career with a team just to snub them in the end.  Sure how many Mr Devils can you have in your history... but still.  you build a house.... I guess it's fine to move out of it for more money or something :noclue:  I'm just one of those people who enjoy being loyal.  I'm not being sarcastic or saying it's the way of integrity.  I really dont feel that way.

 

If Patty chooses to go somewhere else I'm happy for him -- and it makes that much more space in our rafters.  i wouldn't want him to stay merely for a chance to get his number retired or any of that.  It should be a non-issue.  I guess I like nice tidy packages -- clean stories with no lose ends - no after thoughts like "and then he played his final year with the Rangers who traded him to the Flyers who relegated him to the AHL when no one picked him up on waivers.  

 

And maybe Patty should have gotten all insane at the start of the season like Stevens and his fair market value hissy fit when he was about Patty's age.   It would be nice if Lou took steps before July 1st.  But to read "it's to late now" which it sort of seems like Patty just said....   if I was Lou I think I'd think -- OK well then good - you can go lower on the priorities because you've already said it's too late.  I dont know... I dont know what to tell the guy. 

One should never allow loyalty to interfere with what they want in life. Loyalty is what allows cops to cover up their crimes. I don't want loyalty, I want consistency. If a person is consistent, I know what to expect and there's few questions. I don't want someone to be loyal though, if there's something they don't like here, don't stay because you're loyal, leave because that's better for both. The team should not really have loyalty either. I know I contradict this with my Marty statements and how he should be treated, but he's a once in a lifetime guy that even he wasn't loyal when he took cuts in pay, it was for bettering his chances at glory. Just my opinion.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:06 PM

He;s under confident if he walks.  Why ruin all the effort you put in to a career with a team just to snub them in the end.  Sure how many Mr Devils can you have in your history... but still.  you build a house.... I guess it's fine to move out of it for more money or something :noclue:  I'm just one of those people who enjoy being loyal.  I'm not being sarcastic or saying it's the way of integrity.  I really dont feel that way.

 

If Patty chooses to go somewhere else I'm happy for him -- and it makes that much more space in our rafters.  i wouldn't want him to stay merely for a chance to get his number retired or any of that.  It should be a non-issue.  I guess I like nice tidy packages -- clean stories with no lose ends - no after thoughts like "and then he played his final year with the Rangers who traded him to the Flyers who relegated him to the AHL when no one picked him up on waivers.  

 

And maybe Patty should have gotten all insane at the start of the season like Stevens and his fair market value hissy fit when he was about Patty's age.   It would be nice if Lou took steps before July 1st.  But to read "it's to late now" which it sort of seems like Patty just said....   if I was Lou I think I'd think -- OK well then good - you can go lower on the priorities because you've already said it's too late.  I dont know... I dont know what to tell the guy. 

 

#26 is going to the rafters no matter what.....where he plays next season and beyond is a non issue.....


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:10 PM

Why isn't John MacLean then?

 

 

ATLL - I'm not sure what you thought I was writing.  I used the word loyal once.  I suppose you just pointed out how I'm not really "loyal" more a fan of consistency.  I'd find it consistent of Lou to not negotiate and I'd accept that.  Many people have told me recently that I am bizarrely confident though.  Maybe you can tell me that I am not actually confident rather just complacent though  :uni:

 

Everyone says only Marty got a contract prior to becoming a free agent - but so has Stevens, White, Madden... :noclue:  so I guess I woudl wonder what they did to get contracts during the season.  :noclue:  I dont know -- I just know it doesn't and wouldn't bother me. I have better things to do that worry about my own monetary value.  I dont think I'd want to name my own years to start off anyhow.  Look at what a position Marty is in.  I dont knwo why he'd want to keep on playing if it was sub-par

 

I dont know -= who cares?


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:12 PM

I'm less concerned about the UFAs then I am the players we have signed, 11Mil committed to Talinder, Vol & Sal???  thats awful, what was LL thinking??  He gone a bit crazy with some of these contracts!! 

 

At least Bermier, Carter & Gionta have 1 more year on the cheap!!

 

Hopefully LL buys out Sal & Vol, can trade talinder and DOESNOT resign any of the older players, Elias, Zubrus, Sullivan, Barch, Zid or Poni, Tine for Lou to get this team younger!!

 

Resign, calrky, Harold & Dag & Play Josephson, Tedenby, Henrique, Loktionov, Boucher, Mattuea & Merrill, Pesonen, etc...


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:28 PM

I'm less concerned about the UFAs then I am the players we have signed, 11Mil committed to Talinder, Vol & Sal???  thats awful, what was LL thinking??  He gone a bit crazy with some of these contracts!! 

 

At least Bermier, Carter & Gionta have 1 more year on the cheap!!

 

Hopefully LL buys out Sal & Vol, can trade talinder and DOESNOT resign any of the older players, Elias, Zubrus, Sullivan, Barch, Zid or Poni, Tine for Lou to get this team younger!!

 

Resign, calrky, Harold & Dag & Play Josephson, Tedenby, Henrique, Loktionov, Boucher, Mattuea & Merrill, Pesonen, etc...

 

In Lou's defense at the time he had to do something for our defense.  White was a shadow of his former self since the eye injury, Paul Martin skipped town and Mottau was just Mottau.  If Lou didn't do something more fans would be calling for his head.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:36 PM

I'm less concerned about the UFAs then I am the players we have signed, 11Mil committed to Talinder, Vol & Sal???  thats awful, what was LL thinking??  He gone a bit crazy with some of these contracts!! 

 

At least Bermier, Carter & Gionta have 1 more year on the cheap!!

 

Hopefully LL buys out Sal & Vol, can trade talinder and DOESNOT resign any of the older players, Elias, Zubrus, Sullivan, Barch, Zid or Poni, Tine for Lou to get this team younger!!

 

Resign, calrky, Harold & Dag & Play Josephson, Tedenby, Henrique, Loktionov, Boucher, Mattuea & Merrill, Pesonen, etc...

 

Subtract Zubrus, Elias, Tallinder and Zid.

 

And add Josefsen, Tedenby, Boucher, Matteau, Merrill, and Pesonen.

 

How in the hell does that help anything? Especially considering 3 or 4 of those players aren't NHL ready, and 2 have only been pro for a couple of weeks.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 03:28 PM

How does it help?? It starts the rebuuilding process, this team is awful right now,  ( 6-20 in the last 26???) it could not be any worse!!!!

 

Lets the Kids learn on the fly, yeah they will; make mistakes, but they will gain a ton of expeience that will help in years to come, and if Tedenby does not cut it next year then he done... Oh well...


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