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#61 Zubie#8

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 06:04 PM

Hamilton is not a perfect comparison IMO. Firstly, he's got more experience than Larsson in terms of playing in North America. He's also playing third pairing on a better Boston team and playing behind a first ballot HOFer in Chara. Neither Hamilton or Larsson has been given a lot of responsibility yet.

 

Larsson doesn't have that same thing going for him here. I'd also say that Hamilton's impact is somewhat minimal in respect to scoring. He's got 16 points in 41 games in his first season in the NHL. Last season, Larsson had a similar line with 18 in 65. Larsson needs to play more and I think that will come next year.

 

Hamilton has the luxury of being on a better team with better players at his position. 

Foster would put up a lot points with Chara. :giggle: 


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 06:10 PM

Does Zharkov still belong to the Devils in any way shape or form?


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 06:19 PM

Two more seasons, I think.   He turns 27 in January 2015.


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 06:21 PM

Can anyone tell me which Devils players contracts are up at the end of the season beside Clarkson/Patty?
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 06:24 PM

Can anyone tell me which Devils players contracts are up at the end of the season beside Clarkson/Patty?

Many ;) http://capgeek.com/devils/


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:47 AM

Lets just make sure that we lose the rest of out games, come back next year with a fire, and then bomb the year after. If McDavid is the real deal.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:14 AM

This is a rebuild, not a retool.

Dealing Larrson is foolish. GHDI well said.

Lou should play his cards close to the vest, but he has to resign Elias and Clarkson first and foremost.

This off-season is going to be interesting with the cap reduction. Lou should just sit and wait as the offseason unfolds.

It's not a rebuild at all. You won't see us trading away players for picks or gutting this team. Too many things are aligning this offseason for the devils to improve significantly (5th or 6th most cap space in the league, high draft pick, potential prospects make the jump to the NHL, and there will be something done with the 8 dman situation)
Lou let last season unfold and look what happened. He isn't going to do that again this offseason.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:52 AM

It's not a rebuild at all. You won't see us trading away players for picks or gutting this team. Too many things are aligning this offseason for the devils to improve significantly (5th or 6th most cap space in the league, high draft pick, potential prospects make the jump to the NHL, and there will be something done with the 8 dman situation)
Lou let last season unfold and look what happened. He isn't going to do that again this offseason.

we're 11th in dollars per opening, still in good shape even if we pay clarkson patty and zubie, unfortunately there are few FAs that standout who are under 35


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:46 AM

Its either rebuild or Reload...

 

and I do think its a rebuild...

too many holes on this team, too much age. 


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:58 AM

I don't buy this age thing. People keep saying we're old. We're not that old, but we have outliers pulling the ages up like Marty and Moose. 

 

But looking at top players only Elias, Zuby, and Poni are 33 and higher. Wouldn't you say Elias and Zuby are aging well? No reason to think Elias won't be another Selanne type of guy if he wants to stay here.

 

Yes, Poni is 33, and Sullivan is 39 but do they count? They are in and out of the lineup.

 

 

Kovy is only 30, Clarkson 29, Henrique 23, JJ 22, Zajac 27, Bernier and Carter are 28 and 29.

 

If you let Sullivan and Poni go ( hard stretch, i know) and replace them  with forwards in their 20s, it's not an old group.

 

Greene 30

Fayne 25

Larsson 20

Harrold 29

Volchie is only 31, he's just not good. He plays like 38.

Tallinder is only 34.

Zidlicky is 36 - again not crazy old, and I wouldn't say his age has dampered him.

Sal is the grandpa at 37. He's old, slow, injury hampered, it's time for him to go.

 

Yes the goalies are old. We can find a younger back up though.

 

If they were to buy out Moose and Salvador and Volchie, we'll get significantly younger just by subtractions. But again, Moose barely played and Volchie was out of the lineup a lot of nights.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:02 AM

i really hope they sign back patty(im sure they will as long as he doesnt get dogged with some bs offer), henrique, clarky, zubs, i would like to see lokti back... if we have to sullivan the rest of the FA's peace.. no need to kostopolus who hasnt even been in the line up hes junk, poni can get to steppin as well hasnt done a goddamn thing all year.. and the same for dags
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:10 AM

I don't buy this age thing. People keep saying we're old. We're not that old, but we have outliers pulling the ages up like Marty and Moose. 

 

But looking at top players only Elias, Zuby, and Poni are 33 and higher. Wouldn't you say Elias and Zuby are aging well? No reason to think Elias won't be another Selanne type of guy if he wants to stay here.

 

Yes, Poni is 33, and Sullivan is 39 but do they count? They are in and out of the lineup.

 

 

Kovy is only 30, Clarkson 29, Henrique 23, JJ 22, Zajac 27, Bernier and Carter are 28 and 29.

 

Greene 30

Fayne 25

Larsson 20

Harrold 29

Volchie is only 31, he's just not good. He plays like 38.

Tallinder is only 34.

Zidlicky is 36 - again not crazy old, and I wouldn't say his age has dampered him.

Sal is the grandpa at 37. He's old, slow, injury hampered, it's time for him to go.

agree - they just play all stodgy-like


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:12 AM

No they don't. Sal and Volchie suck.

 

Tallinder deserves another shot, because I don't think he's been as awful as they are. Not even close. I think Tally is tradeable even, and even then I might want to keep him around in case a rookie or two doesnt pan out.  I think Zids is a useful player, with a unique skillset, even if he approaches MA Bergeron defensive territory sometimes, but he can't be paired with black holes. I'd keep him for right price I'd keep Harrold too, as a 7th incase a a rookie doesn't pan out, he's a filler guy who someone would claim on waivers or trade a 7th for.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:27 PM

i know I know -- I'm just mouthing off to amuse myself,

 

I'm very mixed on Tallinder.  Some things I think are great but some things just confound me.  He plays like it's a confidence issue. 

 

I hate Salvador and Volchenkov.  I really do.  They are both such HUGE disappointments.  This is when i wonder if my whole take on defence is just unrealistic and skewed.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:37 PM

No they don't. Sal and Volchie suck.

 

Tallinder deserves another shot, because I don't think he's been as awful as they are. Not even close. I think Tally is tradeable even, and even then I might want to keep him around in case a rookie or two doesnt pan out.  I think Zids is a useful player, with a unique skillset, even if he approaches MA Bergeron defensive territory sometimes, but he can't be paired with black holes. I'd keep him for right price I'd keep Harrold too, as a 7th incase a a rookie doesn't pan out, he's a filler guy who someone would claim on waivers or trade a 7th for.

 

Agreed pretty much down the line.

 

Salvador and Volch are worse than suck. When they are on the ice, they are absolute albatrosses. I actually don't think Volch was terrible vs the Rags, but he's had so few bright spots this season that if there's any way to move him and get something in return, or he gets bought out, I will be thankful. Sal had Cup fever last playoffs and played his head off, and I think his head and heart are in the right spot, he just doesn't have the skills any more.

 

Tallinder and Zidlicky both still have something to provide, but if Zidlicky is not re-signed I won't be wasting any words complaining about it. So be it.

 

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:38 PM

boucher for calder next year i think.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:39 PM

Sorry, but I think they are old, I would like to see Zid, Vol, Sal & Tal all gone. 

I love Elias, but he's 37 eventually father time will get him, father time is undefeated.  Anything more than a 3 year deal is crazy( I'd perfer a 2 year deal.), and anything more then 3.5Mil per is crazy.

 

I love Zubrus as well, but again, he's 36 i think?? 

 

Sully, for the right price ( 1Million) he can stay on a 1 year deal, but IMHO its about time youth was served!!


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:55 PM

Two more seasons, I think.   He turns 27 in January 2015.

 

You can't hide from RFA status in Russia (or anywhere else) - the Devils have his rights in perpetuity; he'd come back as an RFA even if he were 35 years old.  Then he'd be eligible for UFA a year after that.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:04 PM

boucher for calder next year i think.

 

lets not go all crazy like wild fans were with Granlund for the last 2-3 years lol


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:53 PM

Sorry, but I think they are old, I would like to see Zid, Vol, Sal & Tal all gone. 

I love Elias, but he's 37 eventually father time will get him, father time is undefeated.  Anything more than a 3 year deal is crazy( I'd perfer a 2 year deal.), and anything more then 3.5Mil per is crazy.

 

I love Zubrus as well, but again, he's 36 i think?? 

 

Sully, for the right price ( 1Million) he can stay on a 1 year deal, but IMHO its about time youth was served!!

 

Eventually Father time will get Elias, but it doesn't look like it will be in the next few years.   He will lead the team in scoring again this year, be top three in the next two years.


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