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#161 MantaRay

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:55 PM

I don't really see what kind of endorsements we're talking about here, though. I just don't see hockey anywhere near the spotlight in New York, hasn't been for a long time. Aside from that, it's not like we see him on commercials or billboards or anything other than GQ's sports issue.

 

This theoretical draw of New York as the "big stage" and "city of bright lights" at the "world's most famous arena" is all rendered bullsh!t when a Cup contender team offers Lundqvist's agent a competitive contract offer on July 1 2014. Simple as that, THAT's the nature of free agency.

 

That is because you are not looking at the bigger picture.  Hockey might not be in the spotlight in New York, but Lunquvist is.   You don't need to see him on commercials for endorsements, he has his own clothesline and plenty of influenital business partners all because of NYC.   The fact that he plays in NYC gives him global clout, which translates to global endorsement, mostly European.   He will not sign for the money elsewhere, because he will lose too much in the long run.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:32 AM

After watching the Isles last night, it re-enforced mu belief that you can win with young fast hungry players...

 

Devs need to rebuild with youth.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:33 AM

After watching the Isles last night, it re-enforced mu belief that you can win with young fast hungry players...

 

Devs need to rebuild with youth.

 

It really needs to be the right balance though. The Islanders have been young and hungry for years, but not ready for the big show. They've all finally matured toward this moment over the past 4-5 years (and the team has done horribly during that entire time).

 

You can't just trade or sign a bunch of very skilled 24-26 year old players; they're not that easy to come by and/or are expensive to get. I'm not sure this Devils team, Kovalchuk, or the New Jersey fanbase can handle the stress of a 5-6 rebuild like that to get there.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:45 AM

It really needs to be the right balance though. The Islanders have been young and hungry for years, but not ready for the big show. They've all finally matured toward this moment over the past 4-5 years (and the team has done horribly during that entire time).

 

You can't just trade or sign a bunch of very skilled 24-26 year old players; they're not that easy to come by and/or are expensive to get. I'm not sure this Devils team, Kovalchuk, or the New Jersey fanbase can handle the stress of a 5-6 rebuild like that to get there.

 

I agree 100%.   It is about the right mix and quality depth.     Edmonton is a prime example of group of young talent without the guidence or experience to lead them in the right direction.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:48 AM

It really needs to be the right balance though. The Islanders have been young and hungry for years, but not ready for the big show. They've all finally matured toward this moment over the past 4-5 years (and the team has done horribly during that entire time).

 

You can't just trade or sign a bunch of very skilled 24-26 year old players; they're not that easy to come by and/or are expensive to get. I'm not sure this Devils team, Kovalchuk, or the New Jersey fanbase can handle the stress of a 5-6 rebuild like that to get there.

 

You don't hope for it, but a bad situation with a silver lining could be ending up in a situation similar to the one Tampa finds itself in every few years.  They have a good core with Stamkos, St. Louis, Hedman, and up until recently LeCavalier.  With that sometimes they make the playoffs, and even may win a round or two, and other years they'll be awful, but they're never perenially awful.  In the meantime they end up with great draft picks in the intermittent lean years.

 

Devils have a good baseline of good players you expect to be around for a while:  Kovalchuk, Zajac, Henrique, Larsson (despite my dumping on him recently), Loktionov.  It'll be even better if two or three of Merrill, Gelinas, Matteau, Urbom, Boucher, Josefson, first round pick this year gets close to meeting their potential or getting lucky in that they exceed expectations.   What really hurts though is the lack of a first round pick next year.

 

As it stands now, it seems like the type of team that will be pretty good in some years and awful in others with apparently no ryhme or reason to it.  It'll be depressing in the short term to have seasons of bad attendance, but hopefully things end up well in the long run, long run being three years.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:02 AM

You don't hope for it, but a bad situation with a silver lining could be ending up in a situation similar to the one Tampa finds itself in every few years.  They have a good core with Stamkos, St. Louis, Hedman, and up until recently LeCavalier.  With that sometimes they make the playoffs, and even may win a round or two, and other years they'll be awful, but they're never perenially awful.  In the meantime they end up with great draft picks in the intermittent lean years.

 

Devils have a good baseline of good players you expect to be around for a while:  Kovalchuk, Zajac, Henrique, Larsson (despite my dumping on him recently), Loktionov.  It'll be even better if two or three of Merrill, Gelinas, Matteau, Urbom, Boucher, Josefson, first round pick this year gets close to meeting their potential or getting lucky in that they exceed expectations.   What really hurts though is the lack of a first round pick next year.

 

As it stands now, it seems like the type of team that will be pretty good in some years and awful in others with apparently no ryhme or reason to it.  It'll be depressing in the short term to have seasons of bad attendance, but hopefully things end up well in the long run, long run being three years.

Good post, Daniel. I too could see the Devils making the playoffs here and there over the next few years, but I think we have a system that works and gives us an advantage over teams like TB and Carolina (who I view similarly to TB). The loss/decline of Elias this year or in the near future will be a huge blow, but I guess you can always explore the avenue of trades and the UFA market if it comes down to that.  

 

I also think you should move Josefson up to the first group of players. While, he's never going to win an Art Ross, he'll be an extremely good 3rd line center for years. Maybe not a core piece, but a valuable player to have


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:09 AM

Good post, Daniel. I too could see the Devils making the playoffs here and there over the next few years, but I think we have a system that works and gives us an advantage over teams like TB and Carolina (who I view similarly to TB). The loss/decline of Elias this year or in the near future will be a huge blow, but I guess you can always explore the avenue of trades and the UFA market if it comes down to that.  

 

I also think you should move Josefson up to the first group of players. While, he's never going to win an Art Ross, he'll be an extremely good 3rd line center for years. Maybe not a core piece, but a valuable player to have

 

Right now, Josefson isn't that much better than anyone you can pull off the scrap heap, like Ryan Carter.  I still think the potential is there, but you still have to view him as a prospect at this point. 

 

I think you could actually also add Bernier to the list of B level core players.  He does have 15 goal, 30 to 35 point potential.  That's not bad for a third/fourth liner.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:28 AM

Right now, Josefson isn't that much better than anyone you can pull off the scrap heap, like Ryan Carter.  I still think the potential is there, but you still have to view him as a prospect at this point. 

 

I think you could actually also add Bernier to the list of B level core players.  He does have 15 goal, 30 to 35 point potential.  That's not bad for a third/fourth liner.

Josefson has had real tough luck injury wise and when healthy, has been jerked around by Deboer.  Stephen Gionta is playing over him for Christ's sake. Give him consistent minutes and linemates that aren't Barch/Janssen/Boulton and I think you see a 30-40 pt two way player. 

 

As you can tell, I'm really high on him


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 12:40 PM

I don't mind seeing josefson out there, i think he needs to see more games and play time to really be able to determine his worth
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:14 PM

After watching the Isles last night, it re-enforced mu belief that you can win with young fast hungry players...

 

Devs need to rebuild with youth.

 

You realize that team has a bunch of high first round picks on it, right?

 

Bailey 9th overall (2008)

Tavares 1st overall (09)

Grabner 14th overall (06)

Okposo  7th overall (06)

Hickey 4th overall (07) (LA drafted)

 

Plus waiting in the wings they have Dehaan 12th overall (09) and Strome 5th overall (11).

 

The Devils do not have players of that pedigree. Throwing Tedenby, Josefesen, Matteau, Severson, Merril, Henrique, Larsson, Gelinas, Urbom, and Boucher onto the ice would just be a disaster. It might look great in 4 - 5 years, but now would be suicide.

 

 

And finally, the Devils average age is 29.375, which is second oldest. The Islanders are 28.455, which is THIRD oldest.

 

http://www.quanthock..._AverageAge.php

 

 

Of the 10 youngest teams, 6 missed the playoffs.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:36 PM

You realize that team has a bunch of high first round picks on it, right?

 

Bailey 9th overall (2008)

Tavares 1st overall (09)

Grabner 14th overall (06)

Okposo  7th overall (06)

Hickey 4th overall (07) (LA drafted)

 

Plus waiting in the wings they have Dehaan 12th overall (09) and Strome 5th overall (11).

 

The Devils do not have players of that pedigree. Throwing Tedenby, Josefesen, Matteau, Severson, Merril, Henrique, Larsson, Gelinas, Urbom, and Boucher onto the ice would just be a disaster. It might look great in 4 - 5 years, but now would be suicide.

 

 

And finally, the Devils average age is 29.375, which is second oldest. The Islanders are 28.455, which is THIRD oldest.

 

http://www.quanthock..._AverageAge.php

 

 

Of the 10 youngest teams, 6 missed the playoffs.

But that doesn't re-enforce the thought that Lou is screwing everything up! Keep your stupid facts to yourself. We want a young team, DAMMIT!!


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:14 PM

You don't hope for it, but a bad situation with a silver lining could be ending up in a situation similar to the one Tampa finds itself in every few years.  They have a good core with Stamkos, St. Louis, Hedman, and up until recently LeCavalier.  With that sometimes they make the playoffs, and even may win a round or two, and other years they'll be awful, but they're never perenially awful.  In the meantime they end up with great draft picks in the intermittent lean years.

 

Devils have a good baseline of good players you expect to be around for a while:  Kovalchuk, Zajac, Henrique, Larsson (despite my dumping on him recently), Loktionov.  It'll be even better if two or three of Merrill, Gelinas, Matteau, Urbom, Boucher, Josefson, first round pick this year gets close to meeting their potential or getting lucky in that they exceed expectations.   What really hurts though is the lack of a first round pick next year.

 

As it stands now, it seems like the type of team that will be pretty good in some years and awful in others with apparently no ryhme or reason to it.  It'll be depressing in the short term to have seasons of bad attendance, but hopefully things end up well in the long run, long run being three years.

 

The Lightning have made the playoffs once in the last 6 years.  


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:21 PM

But that doesn't re-enforce the thought that Lou is screwing everything up! Keep your stupid facts to yourself. We want a young team, DAMMIT!!

 

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:42 PM

The Lightning have made the playoffs once in the last 6 years.


Or three times in 8 season with a conference finals appearance. Roughly 50-50, and a team you can see competing in most years.
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 05:51 PM

Or three times in 8 season with a conference finals appearance. Roughly 50-50, and a team you can see competing in most years.

 

They've won 2 rounds in 8 years.  They've missed the playoffs by a very wide margin in as many years as they have made the playoffs.

 

Over the last 8 seasons, these are the teams who have NOT made a Conference Final:  Nashville, Florida, Colorado, Columbus, Atlanta/Winnipeg, Calgary, St. Louis, Toronto, Long Island, Washington (with these last four to be determined - odds are one of them makes it).  It's not exactly a select group.  


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:54 PM

Or three times in 8 season with a conference finals appearance. Roughly 50-50, and a team you can see competing in most years.

They've won 2 rounds in 8 years. They've missed the playoffs by a very wide margin in as many years as they have made the playoffs.

Over the last 8 seasons, these are the teams who have NOT made a Conference Final: Nashville, Florida, Colorado, Columbus, Atlanta/Winnipeg, Calgary, St. Louis, Toronto, Long Island, Washington (with these last four to be determined - odds are one of them makes it). It's not exactly a select group.


You can place the goal posts wherever you want, but they're not a perennially bad team, like the Isles were, or what you would expect Calgary to be for the foreseeable future.

And at the start of every season, you can generally pencil them in as a potential competitor. They're an on again off again kind of team, with worst to first and vice versa potential. If you want to compare it to the Flyers, it's probably all the same. That's what I expect the Devils to be for the next five years.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:19 PM

You can place the goal posts wherever you want, but they're not a perennially bad team, like the Isles were, or what you would expect Calgary to be for the foreseeable future. And at the start of every season, you can generally pencil them in as a potential competitor. They're an on again off again kind of team, with worst to first and vice versa potential. If you want to compare it to the Flyers, it's probably all the same. That's what I expect the Devils to be for the next five years. It's just a feeling and it's just for fun. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

They've drafted in the top 10 4 of the last 6 years, and the other time they drafted like 13th.  They stink.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:05 PM

  They stink.

 

 

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:15 AM

Radulov..all I need to say. For years I said he and kovalchuk would be filthy.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:54 AM

What're the odds the Devils could actually lure him back though? And what would it cost?
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