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#1 msweet

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:33 PM

I know the Bleacher Report is not in favor here, but this is on-the-money

 

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:39 PM

Yup, that is sadly spot on. :(


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:51 PM

For the PK, it's a little unfair to talk about how many goals they gave up without mentioning how many goals they got shorthanded.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:51 PM

They played better short handed then they did on the power play..
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:17 PM

For the PK, it's a little unfair to talk about how many goals they gave up without mentioning how many goals they got shorthanded.

 

They got the shorthanded goals last year too.  For me the PK more or less comes down to no Parise and no Zubrus for half a year, and they were replaced with Gionta/Josefson.  Then you had Sal who fell down a crater this year and Volch who was already there as our primary PK'ers defensively.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:25 PM

They got the shorthanded goals last year too.  For me the PK more or less comes down to no Parise and no Zubrus for half a year, and they were replaced with Gionta/Josefson.  Then you had Sal who fell down a crater this year and Volch who was already there as our primary PK'ers defensively.

 

Last year the Devils got 15, this year the Devils have 11.  If you adjust that for an 82 game season then the Devils scored almost 20 short handed goals this year.

 

My point was the guy is upset the Devils are 18th in PK percentage this season at 80.6%, but if you adjust every team's PK for shorthanded the goals then the Devils look significantly better.

 

If you cancel out the PP goals given up by the shorthanded goals scored, then the Devils are at 87% this season, which is just about the same as Philly who is ranked 5th in the league and I'm sure nobody feels their PK isn't doing well.  To give last years numbers as well, the Devils adjusted PK percentage was 95%, or an 8% difference.  

 

The Devils being only 8% worse than possibly the best PK season ever is still pretty darn good.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:31 PM

That was pretty crappy. The Devils give up the least amount of shots in the NHL and have team save percentage well under .900. And goaltending isn't part of that list? What is one of the main reasons the PK was worse off...goaltending. Not mentioned. 


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:37 PM

Didn't read it but I hope it was something like:

 

Not replacing Parise with someone even one tenth the player he is

 

Hiring Matt Shaw

 

Not showing up in the first ten minutes of the majority of games the last two months

 

A hapless shootout

 

Blowing leads that we somehow had.

 

Doing absolutely nothing at the trade deadline.

 

Injuries as usual.

 

What a forgettable season. So many what-ifs it's sickening.  Just imagine if we could have scored maybe three more timely power play goals and held those two leads in Florida.  Lou is making Garth Snow look like a genius.  A team that has Tim Thomas just to make the cap floor is making the playoffs over the Eastern Conference Champions.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 07:21 PM

Didn't read it but I hope it was something like:

 

Not replacing Parise with someone even one tenth the player he is

 

Hiring Matt Shaw

 

Not showing up in the first ten minutes of the majority of games the last two months

 

A hapless shootout

 

Blowing leads that we somehow had.

 

Doing absolutely nothing at the trade deadline.

 

Injuries as usual.

 

What a forgettable season. So many what-ifs it's sickening.  Just imagine if we could have scored maybe three more timely power play goals and held those two leads in Florida.  Lou is making Garth Snow look like a genius.  A team that has Tim Thomas just to make the cap floor is making the playoffs over the Eastern Conference Champions.

 

How do you have Matt Shaw on this list and not Johan Hedberg and Martin Brodeur?  The Devils would be in the playoffs with this anemic scoring if those two could stop pucks at an average rate.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 07:45 PM

Adam Oates's team is in the playoffs...just sayin.... :razz:


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 07:47 PM

Adam Oates's team is in the playoffs...just sayin.... :razz:

Washington is the hottest team in the league right now

and OV is on fire after people were saying "he's not the same guy anymore"


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 12:04 AM

Goaltending has to be the #1 or #2 problem with this team.  Moose played like absolute garbage (love the guy, he did a great job when Marty went down in the past...but not this year) during Marty's absence.  Then Marty comes back, and he's completely lost a step.

 

I think people will tiptoe around the topic, considering the respect Marty garners (and deserves) league-wide, but it's absolutely not debatable that if he plays this poorly early next year the team needs to look for a replacement #1.

 

Because he will be the #1 goalie next year, folks.  Might as well accept that now and save yourself the frustration next fall. 


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 04:25 AM

One thing that went wrong: Kovy's shoulder. The whole team got paralyzed after he went down. How many games did they win without him?


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 06:46 AM

Goaltending has to be the #1 or #2 problem with this team.  Moose played like absolute garbage (love the guy, he did a great job when Marty went down in the past...but not this year) during Marty's absence.  Then Marty comes back, and he's completely lost a step.

 

I think people will tiptoe around the topic, considering the respect Marty garners (and deserves) league-wide, but it's absolutely not debatable that if he plays this poorly early next year the team needs to look for a replacement #1.

 

Because he will be the #1 goalie next year, folks.  Might as well accept that now and save yourself the frustration next fall. 

 

Agree with this, pretty much.

 

The more I think about it, the more I really hope Marty takes Lou and his organization off the griddle, and at least lets Lou discuss the idea of Marty being a lesser 1, or ever a 1A-type (provided Lou thinks he can upgrade over Hedberg).  But I think that even though Marty probably knows he's not quite was he was, I think he still he believes that he should be the guy...which is unforunately what puts organizations and their fans in Mark Messier and Brett Favre kinds of situations, full of awkwardness as their organizations try not to disrespect the players (or come off as disrespectful) who clearly had a massive impact, in a championship-winning manner. 

 

In a perfect world, Lou would be able to say to Marty, "Thank you for everything, you are the best Devil ever to play for the franchise, we never would gotten to where we were and became the yearly contender we were all of these years without you.  But let's face it, things have changed.  As hard as you work and as much as you give, you are not the same player anymore.  That is the reality.  You have one year left on your contract, but you know you will always have a place in this organization, for life, if you want it.  So let's make your final year the best it can be, for you and for all of us.  Clearly you've been our #1 guy since 1993, and deservedly so, but we are going to have to begin the transition into the years where you're no longer a part of the team on the ice.  All we ask is, based on what other goalie(s) we have here next season, you assist us in helping us to make this transition, whatever that requires.  It could mean less playing time for you, even considerably so, but there has to be a way to make this work so both you and the organization benefit...please work with us on this." 

 

But like you said, I think they're going to tip-toe around this, and I doubt Lou is going initiate anything resembling the dialogue above.  I just hope Marty doesn't struggle badly next season, because, coming off this season, where he's clearly in decline, that's the kind of thing that starts to turn fans against you, starts to make them resentful...some Devils fans already are. 


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 07:38 AM

Washington is the hottest team in the league right now

and OV is on fire after people were saying "he's not the same guy anymore"

 

Ovie has been hotter than the sun, but he's not gonna keep shooting at this clip on the PP. Might be able to sustain it for a few rounds in the playoffs, but it's not like he's gonna start potting 60+ seasons again. That problem lies in 5vs5 play/scoring.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 08:07 AM

i think ovie may be may favorite non devil.. hes not a little bitch like crosby.. sh!t he doesnt even attend half of the team practices, sits around smoking cigarettes and is still one of the very top guys in the league.. pretty sick
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Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:36 AM

Our PP was also really bad but that's nothing new its always bad in NJ so i guess thats why its not on there


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:51 AM

Agree with this, pretty much.

 

The more I think about it, the more I really hope Marty takes Lou and his organization off the griddle, and at least lets Lou discuss the idea of Marty being a lesser 1, or ever a 1A-type (provided Lou thinks he can upgrade over Hedberg).  But I think that even though Marty probably knows he's not quite was he was, I think he still he believes that he should be the guy...which is unforunately what puts organizations and their fans in Mark Messier and Brett Favre kinds of situations, full of awkwardness as their organizations try not to disrespect the players (or come off as disrespectful) who clearly had a massive impact, in a championship-winning manner. 

 

In a perfect world, Lou would be able to say to Marty, "Thank you for everything, you are the best Devil ever to play for the franchise, we never would gotten to where we were and became the yearly contender we were all of these years without you.  But let's face it, things have changed.  As hard as you work and as much as you give, you are not the same player anymore.  That is the reality.  You have one year left on your contract, but you know you will always have a place in this organization, for life, if you want it.  So let's make your final year the best it can be, for you and for all of us.  Clearly you've been our #1 guy since 1993, and deservedly so, but we are going to have to begin the transition into the years where you're no longer a part of the team on the ice.  All we ask is, based on what other goalie(s) we have here next season, you assist us in helping us to make this transition, whatever that requires.  It could mean less playing time for you, even considerably so, but there has to be a way to make this work so both you and the organization benefit...please work with us on this." 

 

But like you said, I think they're going to tip-toe around this, and I doubt Lou is going initiate anything resembling the dialogue above.  I just hope Marty doesn't struggle badly next season, because, coming off this season, where he's clearly in decline, that's the kind of thing that starts to turn fans against you, starts to make them resentful...some Devils fans already are. 

 

 

re: marty - i agree he's clearly in decline but ILWT did an interesting study and found where he's absolutely dreadful in on the PK. his 5v5 sv % isn't that terrible (league average). just throwing that out there but yes, he is what he is which is an overall below average goaltender.

 

and moose sucks - i'm glad he thinks he'll be back next year. i hope he is the only one thinking that.


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Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:47 PM

Tri alluded to this before it all went to hell, but sentimentality hurt this team. We kept trying to ride guys who weren't succeeding based on past success. If we'd benched Sal, paid for a new goalie in the offseason, broken up CBGB, traded a guy like Greene for a forward, or any number of other painful, but eventually smart moves, this would have been a better season. I tried to defend some of that stuff, but it definitely hurt. I don't know that any of it matters -- they couldn't win without Marty, and when Marty came back, he was a shell of himself, so they couldn't win with him, and just when they looked like they might steal enough points to sneak in, Kovy went down. I doubt any fixes solve those problems, but if we want to get back to being a contender rather than a team that sneaks in, we have to make the little fixes.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 06:34 AM

eventhough its true that Marty has not being good losing games while we had less than 15 shots in a game, but again, the offence is big part of the blame this season, we finished last in scoring and its not because of Marty obviously.


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