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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:34 PM

Pointless to include Henrique in any of these potential deals....he is going to be a quality player for us for some time....

 

The point is to SUPPLEMENT our forwards, not give one away to get another back...

 

They're going to want a forward who has a good chance to help them right away...one who's young and inexpensive.  Gotta give something up to get something back. 


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

I think the Sabres do that deal in a second. 

 

 

they would - it's a ridiculous overpayment.

 

hell, henrique and urbom would be a great return for them. henrique is cost controlled for another 5 years and urbom's a baby.

 

again - vanek has one more year of team control and a very high salary. i'd like him as much as the next guy but i don't think the devils are in a position to give what is necessary.


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:21 PM

are you kidding?? adding Henrique in that deal is insane. I probably wouldn't even want to see it happen.  You gotta keep Henrique.  The only thing we can really afford to get rid of is our D man.  Our picks should make up for us not trading one of our forwards.



look at last years stats:

 

Henrique finished with 51 points and Vanek finished with 61.  Theres no way I would give up Henrique, we would be the losers


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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:28 PM

Call me crazy, but I think we saw the real Henrique this year (albeit with some increased bad luck). I think Parise and Kovalchuk made him a much better player last year.

I'm a fan of selling high, and I honestly think Henrique's value is as high as it's going to get right now. If you could bring in Vanek with a condition relating to an extension, I'd do it in a heart beat.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:39 PM

Call me crazy, but I think we saw the real Henrique this year (albeit with some increased bad luck). I think Parise and Kovalchuk made him a much better player last year.

I'm a fan of selling high, and I honestly think Henrique's value is as high as it's going to get right now. If you could bring in Vanek with a condition relating to an extension, I'd do it in a heart beat.

I considered that maybe this year was the real Henrique, but everyone had a down year this year.  I don't think that we have the assets for Vanek.  Bad idea.  He's injury prone too.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:08 AM

hard to say about Henrique, he played majority of his time with Zach and no one work harder and gives trouble to the other team with or without the puck than Zach. But Henrique did well and scored his biggest goals with Zach on the bench too. He can handle himself he just need time.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:54 AM

hard to say about Henrique, he played majority of his time with Zach and no one work harder and gives trouble to the other team with or without the puck than Zach. But Henrique did well and scored his biggest goals with Zach on the bench too. He can handle himself he just need time.

 

I remember for a good portion of last year, a lot of people though Zach was the third man on that line. Henrique wasn't being carried last year by Parise (except maybe in driving possession). That's revisionist history. Being on that line probably upped his assists but to say he was being carried by Zach (you're not but I'm sure some think it) is revisionist history


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:15 AM

At the start of the Season henrique was on fire... he scores a lot of goals and then it disapears... at the same time our team didnt score...

 

Anyway dont trade him for vanek.... Lou wouldnt move it anyway...

 

The only thing i can see is a deal around tendenby, Urbom or josefson if buffalo are interest (not sure it a good idea about josefson... he still young and i believe he play really well at the end of the season....) maybe in couple of year he could pulls of 20 goals per season...) I still belive in jacob!

 

For tedenby.... i just dont knpow what to think about him... Tough to predict if he could become a top 6 forward... size is the matter... and the way he handle... he is a small guy playing like a small guy wich is not a good sign. 

 

For Urbom, i dont see him enough in the NHL to evaluate him correctly.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:56 AM

At the start of the Season henrique was on fire... he scores a lot of goals and then it disapears... at the same time our team didnt score...

 

Anyway dont trade him for vanek.... Lou wouldnt move it anyway...

 

The only thing i can see is a deal around tendenby, Urbom or josefson if buffalo are interest (not sure it a good idea about josefson... he still young and i believe he play really well at the end of the season....) maybe in couple of year he could pulls of 20 goals per season...) I still belive in jacob!

 

For tedenby.... i just dont knpow what to think about him... Tough to predict if he could become a top 6 forward... size is the matter... and the way he handle... he is a small guy playing like a small guy wich is not a good sign. 

 

For Urbom, i dont see him enough in the NHL to evaluate him correctly.

 

 

I put Tedenby in any potential deal without hesitation.  He will never be an NHL caliber play IMO.  He is too small, and lacks overall hockey IQ.  I would not trade Henrique unless we were making a blockbuster move



They're going to want a forward who has a good chance to help them right away...one who's young and inexpensive.  Gotta give something up to get something back. 

 

 

Giving up Henrique would not be wise in that deal


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 12:18 PM

I put Tedenby in any potential deal without hesitation.  He will never be an NHL caliber play IMO.  He is too small, and lacks overall hockey IQ.  I would not trade Henrique unless we were making a blockbuster move


Giving up Henrique would not be wise in that deal

 

Re:  Tedenby & Josefson...Devils fans need to stop thinking other teams would want those guys in a trade that brings back a good player for the Devils.  Tedenby has no trade value.  Josefson may have some, but not much...he can't score and is a bit delicate to boot.  Buffalo isn't interested in getting fleeced, and that's all Devils fans who want to build a trade package around those players are trying to do.  Crap quantity for quality.   

 

Henrique is a bit of an "if" at this point, especially offensively.  Vanek has at least shown he can be solid offensively over a number of seasons in the NHL.  It's up in the air, as to whether or not Henrique can do the same.  At any rate, I don't think he's some kind of untouchable.  Sure, it would be a risk (especially if Vanek were to be a rental only), but I'm not convinced Henrique is some sure-fire NHL can't miss.   

 

This isn't going to happen anyway, so it's pretty much a moot point. 


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:02 PM

I considered that maybe this year was the real Henrique, but everyone had a down year this year.  I don't think that we have the assets for Vanek.  Bad idea.  He's injury prone too.

 

Injury prone? What are you basing that on? Since he debuted in 05: 81, 82, 82, 73, 71, 80, 78, 38 (this season as its shortened) games played each year. He's missed double digit games once. That's pretty damn good for a forward who plays like Vanek. If thats injury prone, than Kovalchuk is made of glass.

 

I think some in this thread are overrating Henrique incredibly right now. I don't disagree that he has the potential to be a very good, maybe even a great player, but if a deal came up right now where it would take Henrique to get a player of Vanek's calibur now, it has to be considered. IMO the only player off the table in terms of trade is Larsson and Kovy to a lesser extent. Anyone else I'd be willing to listen on if it got us an all-star level player.

 

Id consider moving both the #9 pick and Henrique if it got us a player like a Vanek or Patrick Kane.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:14 PM

Injury prone? What are you basing that on? Since he debuted in 05: 81, 82, 82, 73, 71, 80, 78, 38 (this season as its shortened) games played each year. He's missed double digit games once. That's pretty damn good for a forward who plays like Vanek. If thats injury prone, than Kovalchuk is made of glass.

 

I think some in this thread are overrating Henrique incredibly right now. I don't disagree that he has the potential to be a very good, maybe even a great player, but if a deal came up right now where it would take Henrique to get a player of Vanek's calibur now, it has to be considered. IMO the only player off the table in terms of trade is Larsson and Kovy to a lesser extent. Anyone else I'd be willing to listen on if it got us an all-star level player.

 

Id consider moving both the #9 pick and Henrique if it got us a player like a Vanek or Patrick Kane.

I withdraw my statement, I have a buddy who is a huge sabres fan, and whenever we talk hockey, it seems like Vanek was always hurt.  Didn't back up my statement with actual facts.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:21 PM

I put Tedenby in any potential deal without hesitation.  He will never be an NHL caliber play IMO.  He is too small, and lacks overall hockey IQ.  I would not trade Henrique unless we were making a blockbuster move



 

 

Giving up Henrique would not be wise in that deal

 

 

Everything you've said is evidence of why no team would give us anything valuable for Tedenby in a trade.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:41 PM

Everything you've said is evidence of why no team would give us anything valuable for Tedenby in a trade.

 

Always cracks me up when a fan says "This guy can't do this, can't do that, will never be any good, so let's include him in a trade that nets us a good-to-great player in return."

 

Pretty simple:  if a fan can see that a guy isn't very good, then guess what?  GMs will see that too. 


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:54 PM

I think some in this thread are overrating Henrique incredibly right now. I don't disagree that he has the potential to be a very good, maybe even a great player, but if a deal came up right now where it would take Henrique to get a player of Vanek's calibur now, it has to be considered. IMO the only player off the table in terms of trade is Larsson and Kovy to a lesser extent. Anyone else I'd be willing to listen on if it got us an all-star level player.

 

re: Henrique, at the very least, it's inconclusive what his future holds.  He looks like he'll definitely stick in the NHL, but it's hard to say how good he will be.  In 585 GP, Vanek has averaged 35 goals per 82 game block.  Not saying goals are everything, but does anyone think Henrique ever touches that kind of production over the long term? 


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:55 PM

Tedenby is not worth much of anything right now. It's useless bringing him up in any discussion of a significant trade.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 02:07 PM

re: Henrique, at the very least, it's inconclusive what his future holds.  He looks like he'll definitely stick in the NHL, but it's hard to say how good he will be.  In 585 GP, Vanek has averaged 35 goals per 82 game block.  Not saying goals are everything, but does anyone think Henrique ever touches that kind of production over the long term? 

 

 I don't think Henrique is the type of player that will have Vanek's consistency, but I think Henrique will be a long term player in the NHL at the very least. Its just what his projection is. I don't think he's going to be an elite player though.The one area I hesitate on is Vanek's contract situation, but if Buffalo comes at me with the #9 and Henrique for Vanek and we can somehow get the contract sorted just prior to or just after the deal being done, I do it. Vanek is a comparable player to Zach. If I can somehow pull an extra draft pick or dump a Volchenkov in the process, it's an even better move. The only way I move this pick is with a deal for a player of this caliber.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 02:10 PM

Injury prone? What are you basing that on? Since he debuted in 05: 81, 82, 82, 73, 71, 80, 78, 38 (this season as its shortened) games played each year. He's missed double digit games once. That's pretty damn good for a forward who plays like Vanek. If thats injury prone, than Kovalchuk is made of glass.

 

I think some in this thread are overrating Henrique incredibly right now. I don't disagree that he has the potential to be a very good, maybe even a great player, but if a deal came up right now where it would take Henrique to get a player of Vanek's calibur now, it has to be considered. IMO the only player off the table in terms of trade is Larsson and Kovy to a lesser extent. Anyone else I'd be willing to listen on if it got us an all-star level player.

 

Id consider moving both the #9 pick and Henrique if it got us a player like a Vanek or Patrick Kane.

 

Ugh, no.  The 9th overall pick should only be moved for other picks or for very, very young players.  Henrique, yeah, as I think his value is near peak and if he comes back with a 35 point/82 game season next year, everyone knows what he is and there's not much room for deception.  I'd be willing to move him a lot of places - if NJ could sign an LW, deal Henrique for an RW (or vice versa), I'd feel just fine about Clarkson getting the boot.

 

 

re: Henrique, at the very least, it's inconclusive what his future holds.  He looks like he'll definitely stick in the NHL, but it's hard to say how good he will be.  In 585 GP, Vanek has averaged 35 goals per 82 game block.  Not saying goals are everything, but does anyone think Henrique ever touches that kind of production over the long term? 

 

No, but Vanek won't touch Henrique's PK ability either.  I'm wary about players like Vanek - the last one we got like that isn't lighting up the league offensively either.  And of course he doesn't drive play - something which, given how good the rest of the team was at that skill, I'm willing to overlook, but not if the guy's going to get paid a ton of money.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 02:18 PM

I agree with you on Henrique. I think the #9 should/could be in play, but thats more me thinking "win right now". I see where you're coming from on not trading it and its beginning to dawn on me that we're probably not going to be winning another Cup with Brodeur.


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Posted 30 April 2013 - 03:18 PM

Vanek & Miller for our #1 this year, Loktionov, Matteau, Clarkson & Harold, but the deal is contingent on Vanek & miller signing new deals...


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