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Poll: Devils 2013 draft selection (65 member(s) have cast votes)

Who do you think the Devils will select?

  1. Sean Monahan (22 votes [33.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.85%

  2. Elias Lindholm (8 votes [12.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.31%

  3. Nikita Zaradov (1 votes [1.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.54%

  4. Hunter Shinkaruk (22 votes [33.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.85%

  5. Bo Horvat (1 votes [1.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.54%

  6. Curtis Lazar (3 votes [4.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.62%

  7. Valeri Nichushkin (7 votes [10.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.77%

  8. Darnell Nurse (1 votes [1.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.54%

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#141 Jerzey Devil

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:53 AM

Guess this leaves Lindholm as the center that might be available. 

 

I'm starting to wonder about the possibility of trading Larsson and other player(s) for one of top five picks straight up.  Take the forward with the newly acquired pick, and draft Zadorov or Ristolaein, who is supposed to be a Larsson clone. 

 

I'm actually a little nervous now. This is how I see it playing out...

 

1. Avs - Jones

2. Panthers - MacKinnon

3. Tampa - Drouin

4. Preds - Barkov

5. Canes - Nichushkin (recent rumors suggest he wants to play in the NHL next year but no AHL or any minor league) NHL or KHL.

6. Flames - Monahan

7. Oilers - Lindholm

8. Buffalo - Either Zadarov, Nurse, or even Shinkaruk

9. Devs - Gauthier or Domi (or Shinkaruk)?

 

Doesn't look like anyone above us is going to draft a defender except maybe Buffalo. 

 

I'd be in favor of trading Larsson to Tampa for 3rd overall too. We might have to add a little bit just because you probably have to overpay to get them to listen. Then take Nurse, Ristolainen, or Zadarov with the 9th. 

 

I don't really see that happening though.


Edited by Jerzey Devil, 24 May 2013 - 09:55 AM.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:07 AM

Guess this leaves Lindholm as the center that might be available. 

 

I'm starting to wonder about the possibility of trading Larsson and other player(s) for one of top five picks straight up.  Take the forward with the newly acquired pick, and draft Zadorov or Ristolaein, who is supposed to be a Larsson clone. 

 

A defenseman taken 9th probably isn't going to be on the team next year barring them being awesome. So you keep Larsson (who's probably better then they'd be anyway). You don't trade Larsson for one of those picks that's outright stupid. He's too valuable. He's a 20 year old playing major minutes on a good defense. You don't trade him and try to replace him w/ one of hte later guys. There's a reason guys from last year like Rielly, Pouliot and Maata and Maachachek (sp?) didn't come up right away. Unless youre' a top 5 defenseman (and in Rielly's case even then) you don't come up 


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:18 AM

A defenseman taken 9th probably isn't going to be on the team next year barring them being awesome. So you keep Larsson (who's probably better then they'd be anyway). You don't trade Larsson for one of those picks that's outright stupid. He's too valuable. He's a 20 year old playing major minutes on a good defense. You don't trade him and try to replace him w/ one of hte later guys. There's a reason guys from last year like Rielly, Pouliot and Maata and Maachachek (sp?) didn't come up right away. Unless youre' a top 5 defenseman (and in Rielly's case even then) you don't come up 

 

You wouldn't be replacing Larsson with only the defenseman you'd be drafting at 9, but also one of the top forwards, who project anyway to be superstars. 

 

But, besides the fact that you wouldn't find a trading partner, however fair the deal might be in theory, it'll probably make the team a bit weaker in the short term, when there is no first round pick next year. 

 

It's all just fun speculation.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:33 AM

There are few things that could get me to want to run Lou over with my car. Trading Larsson for anyone not named Drew Doughty or Duncan Keith is one of them. But I'm not worried about it, because Lou is smart.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:37 AM

There are few things that could get me to want to run Lou over with my car. Trading Larsson for anyone not named Drew Doughty or Duncan Keith is one of them. But I'm not worried about it, because Lou is smart.

For Lou to do something like that would mean he felt so strongly about someone in the top 3 that he HAD to draft. Like if Crosby and Parise had their DNA spliced into one person and he was draft eligible, lol.

If it appears the guys we want are gone by 9 and we're not interested in drafting a d-man, which I'm sure they've looked at them, but offense is a serious organizational need. Anybody think we then trade down to 15-18 and try to draft Lazar and pick up another low 1st rd pick or high 2nd rd?


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:42 PM

There are few things that could get me to want to run Lou over with my car. Trading Larsson for anyone not named Drew Doughty or Duncan Keith is one of them. But I'm not worried about it, because Lou is smart.

 

Since the Devils do have system depth on defensem, albeit unproven, I would trade Larsson in a heart beat for Barkov, Drouin or MacKinnon.  All three would have been taken ahead of Larsson in any particular draft.  



For Lou to do something like that would mean he felt so strongly about someone in the top 3 that he HAD to draft. Like if Crosby and Parise had their DNA spliced into one person and he was draft eligible, lol.

If it appears the guys we want are gone by 9 and we're not interested in drafting a d-man, which I'm sure they've looked at them, but offense is a serious organizational need. Anybody think we then trade down to 15-18 and try to draft Lazar and pick up another low 1st rd pick or high 2nd rd?

 

Definitely worth exploring.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if it happened.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:49 PM

The draft might be deep enough to be able to draft higher (trade up with maybe Columbus?
for a 2nd rounder.
I disagree on Edmonton. they've taken a forward the last 4 years I think they're going for a D man- and Devils will take a D man regardless of how many we have in the pipeline. they may be really high on
Pulock or Bowie, or Robert Hagg. Even though I think Zadorov will still be around.
Could Curtis Lazar be another Claude Giroux? or maybe Adam Erne? I'm sure they 've done their
homework.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:50 PM

Since the Devils do have system depth on defensem, albeit unproven, I would trade Larsson in a heart beat for Barkov, Drouin or MacKinnon.  All three would have been taken ahead of Larsson in any particular draft.  



 

Definitely worth exploring.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if it happened.

 

I don't know where you get the idea that Barkov/Drouin are the 2nd coming. They wouldn't necessaraiy have been taken over Larsson I don't know where you're getting that. Larsson's draft was deep at the top w/ RNH before he got hurt, Landeskog and Huberdeau who was probably rated lower than Larsson who was probably equal w/ Landeskog. You know Larsson can play already, one of these guys could bust, you never know. Trading Larsson for any of them would be absolutely stupid. It may help more next year, but Larsson matters for the next 10 


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:52 PM

regarding reports that edmonton is looking center - don't you think that's out there for teams to try and trade up? it makes all the sense in the world for edmonton to draft a defenseman but because of the prospect rankings, it would be considered a reach to take one at 7. they're trying to drum up interest for someone to trade into that spot (like the devils) who would like to draft a forward over a defenseman if they had their druthers.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:54 PM

regarding reports that edmonton is looking center - don't you think that's out there for teams to try and trade up? it makes all the sense in the world for edmonton to draft a defenseman but because of the prospect rankings, it would be considered a reach to take one at 7. they're trying to drum up interest for someone to trade into that spot (like the devils) who would like to draft a forward over a defenseman if they had their druthers.

 

that makes sense. But Edmonton's also stupid enough to actually take a center. That's what I'm afraid of. If it was like Detroit or Pittsburgh or Boston, I'd think that and be behind you 100% but Edmonton is just stupid enough to actually take Monahan or whoever 


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:03 PM

I don't know where you get the idea that Barkov/Drouin are the 2nd coming. They wouldn't necessaraiy have been taken over Larsson I don't know where you're getting that. Larsson's draft was deep at the top w/ RNH before he got hurt, Landeskog and Huberdeau who was probably rated lower than Larsson who was probably equal w/ Landeskog. You know Larsson can play already, one of these guys could bust, you never know. Trading Larsson for any of them would be absolutely stupid. It may help more next year, but Larsson matters for the next 10 

 

MacKinnon was actually thought of as the second coming not too long ago, although he appears to have slipped a little in some people's eyes.  Barkov is outstanding.  Playing against men he's nearly a point a game, and has better numbers than the first player from the Finnish league taken last year.  Scouts, including Conte evidently, absolutely rave about him.  (J MacIssac called him a bigger version of Datsyuk).  For Drouin, I'm honestly just using transative logic in that he's ranked either ahead of or around Barkov and MacKinnon.  Admittedly though, I'm not a scout. 

 

2011 draft looks like it'll turn out to be an okay draft.  RNH is pretty average for a number 1 pick.  I like Landeskog a lot, and Huberdeau looks like he'll be a big time goal scorer.  Hamilton has the look of a star, and Courturier will be a good to very good player.  It's not the 1996 draft, but it's not the 2003 draft either. 

 

You're right though, all trades for draft picks are gambles.  But a deal for two top ten picks in what is supposed to be a great draft could be a gamble worth taking.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:59 PM

What would it take to trade for Calgary's spot?

 

Drafting 6th nearly guarantees a good player.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:04 PM

What would it take to trade for Calgary's spot?

Drafting 6th nearly guarantees a good player.

I'm guessing a least a 3rd. If the Flames like a dman enough, it could work

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:28 PM

I'm guessing a least a 3rd. If the Flames like a dman enough, it could work

 

Trading down from 6 to 9 where the thinking is after 6 or 7 there's a drop off in talent level, it doesn't make much sense to get only a third round pick in return.  I'd venture a guess that only 10 percent of third round picks end up having an NHL career of any note.  In 2003, the Devils had to give up a second round pick to move from 22 to 17. 


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:33 PM

I'm in the camp that thinks EDM is targeting a D at 7 and the report is likely to try to faciliate a possible trade. As of right now, I assume the top 5 is (Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin). I still think 1 of Monahan, Lindholm, or Shinkaruk will be available at 9 but if they aren't I wouldn't be opposed to Bo Horvat. Still waiting for the draft guides to come out before I form any final opinions though.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:39 PM

Trading down from 6 to 9 where the thinking is after 6 or 7 there's a drop off in talent level, it doesn't make much sense to get only a third round pick in return. I'd venture a guess that only 10 percent of third round picks end up having an NHL career of any note. In 2003, the Devils had to give up a second round pick to move from 22 to 17.


Several reasons why CGY might do it using the 03 package:

I just wrote out a long response and just realized we don't have a 3rd this year
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:41 PM

Trading down from 6 to 9 where the thinking is after 6 or 7 there's a drop off in talent level, it doesn't make much sense to get only a third round pick in return. I'd venture a guess that only 10 percent of third round picks end up having an NHL career of any note. In 2003, the Devils had to give up a second round pick to move from 22 to 17.


I just wrote out a long response and just realized we don't have a 3rd this year

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:41 PM

I'm in the camp that thinks EDM is targeting a D at 7 and the report is likely to try to faciliate a possible trade. As of right now, I assume the top 5 is (Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin). I still think 1 of Monahan, Lindholm, or Shinkaruk will be available at 9 but if they aren't I wouldn't be opposed to Bo Horvat. Still waiting for the draft guides to come out before I form any final opinions though.

Imo, if we're trading up, I'd want to get Nichuskin or Barkov, preferably Barkov, so I'd rather trade up to like 4-5 instead of 6 where Barkov could be gone already.

If we don't move our 1st pick, I'd want one of the 3 you mentioned.

If we miss all 3 of them, I'd prefer to trade down to try to pick Lazar around 14-18 and see if we can pick up a high 2nd rd pick for dropping a few spots.

If I was our GM, that's what would be my Plan A, B and C, in no particular order, but I'm not, so we'll just have to wait and see.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:50 PM

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:09 PM

if we traded up we need to draft mackinnon barkov or nichuskin... al these player will play in the nhl next year


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