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#21 SMantzas

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:54 PM


I have no problem with DeBoer making Salvador captain and I don't see how any of us can question it....DeBoer is in the dressing room, we're on a forum.


It expanded his role on the team and he's clearly not a good player. Increased role means it will be tougher to scratch him
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:56 PM

Kovy. It's his team and he should have been captain already.

too soon to give him the captain spot on the team... He has way too many years left on this team.. Once they give it to him theyre not going to take it away
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:24 PM

It expanded his role on the team and he's clearly not a good player. Increased role means it will be tougher to scratch him

I'm not a fan of Salvador's play or Lou re-signing him to the contract he did. But if we are just looking strictly on who should or shouldn't be captain - I don't think we have any way of forming a solid opinion from the outside. Obviously DeBoer and the other people in the dressing room think he's a fine leader. I know it's fun to debate as fans but in the end I'll always support whomever the coaching staff designates as captain.
 


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:10 PM

Despite his subpar season I vote for Travis Zajac. He showed his leadership kills during 10-11


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:10 AM

too soon to give him the captain spot on the team... He has way too many years left on this team.. Once they give it to him theyre not going to take it away

 

This is silly. Scott Stevens was made Captain in 1992. Less than a year after he joined the Devils and less than a year after he initially refused to come here. He remained Captain til his retirement 13 years later. Heck, look at other organizations. Colorado named Landeskog Captain his 2nd year in the league.

 

Kovalchuk has been Captain of literally every team he's been a member of. His junior teams. His National team. Atlanta. He's clearly the best player on this team and may end up being the best forward this team has ever had.

 

I have no problems with Salvador as Captain. It's clear the guys like and respect him, but the fact remains that besides last year's playoffs, he's not even our best at his position. 


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:14 AM

Obviously the team likes him as captain do your opinions don't matter we don't know what you may think or so. The team does. That's why they choose not us..
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:11 AM


I have no problems with Salvador as Captain. It's clear the guys like and respect him, but the fact remains that besides last year's playoffs, he's not even our best at his position. 


Again, you don't base your selection of captain as who has the most talent. It's s leadership and diplomat role. You select the rookies or young guys when you are hanging culture, lack veterans or have an exceptional young leader.
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:00 AM

This is silly. Scott Stevens was made Captain in 1992. Less than a year after he joined the Devils and less than a year after he initially refused to come here. He remained Captain til his retirement 13 years later. Heck, look at other organizations. Colorado named Landeskog Captain his 2nd year in the league.

 

Kovalchuk has been Captain of literally every team he's been a member of. His junior teams. His National team. Atlanta. He's clearly the best player on this team and may end up being the best forward this team has ever had.

 

I have no problems with Salvador as Captain. It's clear the guys like and respect him, but the fact remains that besides last year's playoffs, he's not even our best at his position. 

 

ill see your Kovalchuk and raise you a Patrik Elias.

itll take Kovy YEARS to match St. Patrik's team records


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:40 AM

Despite his subpar season I vote for Travis Zajac. He showed his leadership kills during 10-11

 

And Salvador showed his leadership during 11-12. We'd be screaming at Lou to remove the "C" from Zajac's jersey too this season if he were the choice.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:18 AM

ill see your Kovalchuk and raise you a Patrik Elias.

itll take Kovy YEARS to match St. Patrik's team records

 

I didn't realize stats were the only way to judge a player.  

 

In terms of offensive ability/talent, I think Kovy is a better player than Patty, but Elias' intangibles in other aspects of the game are better than Ilya. That's not a knock against Patty either. The only reason he won't catch Elias is b/c he's already 30 and spent 5 years on another team.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:33 PM

 

Kovalchuk has been Captain of literally every team he's been a member of. His junior teams. His National team. Atlanta. He's clearly the best player on this team and may end up being the best forward this team has ever had.

 

Your getting very carried away.  Kovy is probably the most talented, but he is NOT the best player.  Elias has the best combination of talent and hockey smarts that you need to win.   I doubt very much if Kovy will ever be considered the best forward the team has ever had.   He will be lumped with guys like Pat Verbeek, and Kirk Muller as guys who scored, but never was part of a cup winning team.   


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:33 PM

Your getting very carried away.  Kovy is probably the most talented, but he is NOT the best player.  Elias has the best combination of talent and hockey smarts that you need to win.   I doubt very much if Kovy will ever be considered the best forward the team has ever had.   He will be lumped with guys like Pat Verbeek, and Kirk Muller as guys who scored, but never was part of a cup winning team.

 

 

 

Talk about carried away. This is one of the most egregious underestimations Ive ever read. You're seriously comparing Kovalchuk with Verbeek and Muller? Neither of them made it to the Finals with the Devils. Kovy already has. Did you see how we shat the bed w/out him this season? Who led the team in points during the run last year? I don't think Kovy will ever be the most "beloved", but in terms of sheer offensive talent, its an argument that can be made and the book hasnt even been finished yet. Its also no argument that Elias played with some of the best teams we've ever had w/ Stevens/Nieds/Marty in his prime/Almo and the rest of those guys from about 99-04 and Kovalchuk certainly did not have that.

 

I'm not getting carried away. Elias is arguably my favorite player of all time besides #4, but his skill set is different from Kovalchuk's. Elias brings things to the table that Kovy doesn't and vice versa. We still have 12 years left of Kovalchuk to see what his legacy will be here.

 


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:30 PM

 

 

Talk about carried away. This is one of the most egregious underestimations Ive ever read. You're seriously comparing Kovalchuk with Verbeek and Muller? Neither of them made it to the Finals with the Devils. Kovy already has. Did you see how we shat the bed w/out him this season? Who led the team in points during the run last year? I don't think Kovy will ever be the most "beloved", but in terms of sheer offensive talent, its an argument that can be made and the book hasnt even been finished yet. Its also no argument that Elias played with some of the best teams we've ever had w/ Stevens/Nieds/Marty in his prime/Almo and the rest of those guys from about 99-04 and Kovalchuk certainly did not have that.

 

I'm not getting carried away. Elias is arguably my favorite player of all time besides #4, but his skill set is different from Kovalchuk's. Elias brings things to the table that Kovy doesn't and vice versa. We still have 12 years left of Kovalchuk to see what his legacy will be here.

 

 

My point was they scored goals, in bunches like Kovy.  That is how he will be remembered.    No argument about his talent and he is a good team guy.  But, last year, was complete stunner and all the planets aligned to get us to the Finals (Salvador?? Gionta??), but I think that was a false reading of what is left on this team.  

 

I see the Devils dependence on Kovy hurting them in the long run.   He is starting to show signs of breaking down and I don't think he is going to last 12 years.  I would be amazed if he ever plays a complete season in NJ in the next few years. 


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:42 PM

I think Nieds was the most talented. Mogilny was very close to Kovy in forward talent too. This is nothing against Kovy, just that the Devs have had some very talented / gifted players. They are just underrated.
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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:55 PM

I think Nieds was the most talented. Mogilny was very close to Kovy in forward talent too. This is nothing against Kovy, just that the Devs have had some very talented / gifted players. They are just underrated.

 

I dont think anyone touches Marty in this discussion, but I'd put Nieds and Stevens very close. I agree about Almo, he had a lot of miles on him already when he arrived here though.


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 12:29 AM

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 08:27 AM

Devils definently put way too much on kovys shoulders for sure... Man get injured and they lose ten straight games with out him... Come on thats insane.. If we don't find someone else to take some of the load off of him i think he will definently burn him out in the long run.. He plays a sh!t ton of minutes every night .. The man needs some help on that bench.
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