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#21 MantaRay

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:00 PM

Are you kidding me?  NO, he is slow and finished


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:23 PM

Jim Carey was also a Vezina winner in the mid-90s.

And a pretty good actor as well.....eh....maybe not.
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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:39 PM

Are you kidding me?  NO, he is slow and finished

No one knows if he can find his game again. Low risk high reward if you give him a small contract.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 12:23 AM

Sullivan will be gone but Torts will probably stay


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:00 AM

No one knows if he can find his game again. Low risk high reward if you give him a small contract.


Every team in the league will think the same, so he will not be getting a small/ cheap contract, especially coming off his current salary.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:06 AM

Yeah.. Just like Gaborik lost speed and strength.. and Nash will in a year or two.. and whichever next bigshot FA the Rags sign..

 

Richards is a Conn Smythe winner, I'd love to have him.

 

Yeah.. Just like Gaborik lost speed and strength.. and Nash will in a year or two.. and whichever next bigshot FA the Rags sign..

 

Richards is a Conn Smythe winner, I'd love to have him.

in 2004 thats a decade ago!!!  he's 33 and on the downside, his pt totals have dropped for 43 straight years.

If he signs for 1 mil per, OK, but we donot need anymore old players


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:47 AM

in 2004 thats a decade ago!!!  he's 33 and on the downside, his pt totals have dropped for 43 straight years.

If he signs for 1 mil per, OK, but we donot need anymore old players

 

His best stats are from 08-11 so I don't really see the whole "that was a decade ago" argument. His point production has dropped? Really? If Crosbys PPG average dropped from 1.5 to 1.4 to 1.3 in consecutive years you could say that about him as well. I think his recent drop in production speaks more to Tortorellas coaching style now then his sudden lack of ability.

 

I assume this whole discussion is based on the (slim) possibility of him being bought out, so a slight discount on his current salary would be expected.. But clearly he is worth 5M a year for another 3-4 years by todays NHL standards. We are currently paying a 37 year old Elias, with comparable stats, more then that.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:07 AM

His best stats are from 08-11 so I don't really see the whole "that was a decade ago" argument. His point production has dropped? Really? If Crosbys PPG average dropped from 1.5 to 1.4 to 1.3 in consecutive years you could say that about him as well. I think his recent drop in production speaks more to Tortorellas coaching style now then his sudden lack of ability.

 

I assume this whole discussion is based on the (slim) possibility of him being bought out, so a slight discount on his current salary would be expected.. But clearly he is worth 5M a year for another 3-4 years by todays NHL standards. We are currently paying a 37 year old Elias, with comparable stats, more then that.

 

Richards has a stunning lack of effect on the play these days.  I was joking about it last year but it was just as apparent this year - the guy just doesn't have the puck on his stick that often and doesn't make much happen with it when he does.  He's a passenger.  If he's not doing real well on the power play (and he's not), he's not doing enough 5 on 5 to make up for it.

 

The difference between Richards and Elias is that Elias is a HOF-level defensive forward and Richards is bad by any standard.  Elias over the last 5 years is +382 shots while on ice at 5 on 5, Richards is -137.  Now Richards' on ice shooting percentage is a little higher than Elias's, but even we use their normal shooting percentages and league average save percentages, Elias should be +51, Richards +22.  That's a huge difference, one that I doubt can be made up by the quality of teammates each guy has had over that stretch.  And again, Elias is coming off another great year and Richards is coming off his worst year.

 

I think he'll be bought out this summer and someone will pay him a decent amount, but a 4 year contract for a guy who's a healthy scratch on a playoff team?  I don't think so.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 12:24 PM

Richards has a stunning lack of effect on the play these days.  I was joking about it last year but it was just as apparent this year - the guy just doesn't have the puck on his stick that often and doesn't make much happen with it when he does.  He's a passenger.  If he's not doing real well on the power play (and he's not), he's not doing enough 5 on 5 to make up for it.

 

The difference between Richards and Elias is that Elias is a HOF-level defensive forward and Richards is bad by any standard.  Elias over the last 5 years is +382 shots while on ice at 5 on 5, Richards is -137.  Now Richards' on ice shooting percentage is a little higher than Elias's, but even we use their normal shooting percentages and league average save percentages, Elias should be +51, Richards +22.  That's a huge difference, one that I doubt can be made up by the quality of teammates each guy has had over that stretch.  And again, Elias is coming off another great year and Richards is coming off his worst year.

 

I think he'll be bought out this summer and someone will pay him a decent amount, but a 4 year contract for a guy who's a healthy scratch on a playoff team?  I don't think so.

 

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:58 PM

He's not exactly a healthy scratch because he's not good enough for the team.. Torts is clearly trying to get his team going and shake things up a bit, while sending a message to Richards that he needs to step it up as well..  The stat difference between him and Elias is pretty sick I'll give you that, and I agree Elias is a better allround player.. It's not like Richards hasn't has a good cast around him most of his career either..

 

That said; people on this very board are talking about giving 4-5M to Clarkson.. and yet they don't think Richards is worth more then 1-2M. That's absurd. :P


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:07 PM

in 2004 thats a decade ago!!!  he's 33 and on the downside, his pt totals have dropped for 43 straight years.

If he signs for 1 mil per, OK, but we donot need anymore old players

 

He obviously needs to retire.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

One thing the Devils need to improve is their face-offs, we sucked the last few seasons in that dept.

I dont know if he can help, but someone has to be brought in for that.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:12 PM

One thing the Devils need to improve is their face-offs, we sucked the last few seasons in that dept.

I dont know if he can help, but someone has to be brought in for that.

 

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:28 PM

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he's older and smaller than Richards.......is he that good at face offs?


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:58 PM

All I want is Stalberg.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:14 PM

He's not exactly a healthy scratch because he's not good enough for the team.. Torts is clearly trying to get his team going and shake things up a bit, while sending a message to Richards that he needs to step it up as well..  The stat difference between him and Elias is pretty sick I'll give you that, and I agree Elias is a better allround player.. It's not like Richards hasn't has a good cast around him most of his career either..

 

That said; people on this very board are talking about giving 4-5M to Clarkson.. and yet they don't think Richards is worth more then 1-2M. That's absurd. :P

 

Richards has played with a lot of very good players in his career.  I agree with you that Richards is worth more than that, but he's not gonna get a huge contract.  He's a risk now and while NHL teams always need centers and if the Rangers do buy him out there will be 4 or 5 teams interested, I'd be shocked if he got more than 3 years with that team.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:30 PM

if they rebuy him! just sign him lou! He is not a game breaker, netheir a franchise player but would replace the parise production with us. He still have gas in the tank that for sure...

 

Would love danny briere too if flyers rebuy him.

 

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:38 PM

Assuming Lokti bolts to the KHL, which I doubt, I wouldn't mind seeing him play with Elias at ES
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:52 PM

Assuming Lokti bolts to the KHL, which I doubt, I wouldn't mind seeing him play with Elias at ES

Elias Richards Zubrus. Not a bad shutdown line.

 

EDIT: might as well sign Alfredsson Selanne and Jagr while we are at it. :giggle:


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 10:48 PM

Richards can't shut down anybody - a team that signs him should be looking to get him away from top lines and the defensive zone.


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