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#321 Devilsfan118

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:15 AM

1.25 average for Enroth suggests Miller might remain in Buffalo as the starter.

 

Or rather, it doesn't suggest they're definitely looking to move him. 


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:08 PM

1.25 average for Enroth suggests Miller might remain in Buffalo as the starter.

 

Or rather, it doesn't suggest they're definitely looking to move him. 

 

Eh. I dunno. Enroth is not proven yet. He's getting his market value as a backup. The dude started 9 games this year. Plus, its a raise from 725K. 

 

They could easily trade Miller and have Enroth be the #1, or make another deal (UFA, trade, draft) for someone else. Why overpay for someone who may not be worth it? I don't think the deal Enroth got signifies anything in respect to Miller.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:20 PM

when i say its going to really suck if he walks im not talking about the size of the contract he walks out on because we cant give him what he wants.. i mean its going to really suck losing a quality character player.. and who is going to replace him?

 

Agree. Losing Parise and Clarkson in a 1-year span from each other will ruin this team's roster. Lord knows Lou isn't going to suddenly use the cap space of these vacancies to sign a highly-skilled, high-profile player. If Clarkson goes, we'll probably grab an Arnott or Sullivan again...


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:25 PM

Agree. Losing Parise and Clarkson in a 1-year span from each other will ruin this team's roster. Lord knows Lou isn't going to suddenly use the cap space of these vacancies to sign a highly-skilled, high-profile player. If Clarkson goes, we'll probably grab an Arnott or Sullivan again...

 

Ridiculous. The loss of David Clarkson or re-signing of him does not make or break this team.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:32 PM

Agree. Losing Parise and Clarkson in a 1-year span from each other will ruin this team's roster. Lord knows Lou isn't going to suddenly use the cap space of these vacancies to sign a highly-skilled, high-profile player. If Clarkson goes, we'll probably grab an Arnott or Sullivan again...

 

my worst fear is that with Zach walking, with Brodeur / Moose nearing retirement, who knows whats up with Elias and Clarkson. But if Clarkson walk... plus with the never ending debt rumours and us missing the playoffs last season, It's not really appealing for free agents... if we cant even re-sign ours, why would any other good players want to sign here? we'd have to overpay and thats why if we lose Clarkson is that we're not willing to overpay a little.

 

i mean nobody likes to overpay guys... But no teams in the bottom of the standing is laughing their ass off "hahaha well we might be last but at least we dont have ridiculous overpaid contracts!" at the end of the day you need guys to produce and we were already lacking since Zach and sykora's production left (dont get back to me on the sykora thing its useless but its still production gone) 

 

We absolutely need to ADD to what we had in term of production. we can't expect guys to step up all the time and overproduce


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:56 PM

Ridiculous. The loss of David Clarkson or re-signing of him does not make or break this team.

 

No, but SterioDesign just took all the words out of my mouth. If we can't re-sign Clarkson, who the hell can we sign? Who the hell WILL we sign? Say what you will about Clarkson, and whether he's overpaid, but we can't just keep letting players producing numbers just walk all the time without adding.

 

We all know Lou's not going to make a trade for Bobby Ryan or try and sign Dupuis or Ribeiro as UFA. It's like the economy's relationship to consumer confidence; just like SterioDesign said, who will even want to entertain the idea of signing here when they see us not doing enough to keep our key players around?

 

As a fanbase, we're becoming so scared of the "boogeyman" (overpaying a few players here and there) that when UFA time comes, we're pretty much convincing ourselves that it's worth it to let everyone walk. And watch us fall down the standings.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 01:58 PM

No, but SterioDesign just took all the words out of my mouth. If we can't re-sign Clarkson, who the hell can we sign? Who the hell WILL we sign? Say what you will about Clarkson, and whether he's overpaid, but we can't just keep letting players producing numbers just walk all the time without adding.

 

We all know Lou's not going to make a trade for Bobby Ryan or try and sign Dupuis or Ribeiro as UFA. It's like the economy's relationship to consumer confidence; just like SterioDesign said, who will even want to entertain the idea of signing here when they see us not doing enough to keep our key players around?

 

As a fanbase, we're becoming so scared of the "boogeyman" (overpaying a few players here and there) that when UFA time comes, we're pretty much convincing ourselves that it's worth it to let everyone walk. And watch us fall down the standings.

 

 

Agreed!


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:01 PM

No, but SterioDesign just took all the words out of my mouth. If we can't re-sign Clarkson, who the hell can we sign? Who the hell WILL we sign? Say what you will about Clarkson, and whether he's overpaid, but we can't just keep letting players producing numbers just walk all the time without adding.

 

We all know Lou's not going to make a trade for Bobby Ryan or try and sign Dupuis or Ribeiro as UFA. It's like the economy's relationship to consumer confidence; just like SterioDesign said, who will even want to entertain the idea of signing here when they see us not doing enough to keep our key players around?

 

As a fanbase, we're becoming so scared of the "boogeyman" (overpaying a few players here and there) that when UFA time comes, we're pretty much convincing ourselves that it's worth it to let everyone walk. And watch us fall down the standings.

Who said we're not doing enough to keep our players? FA aren't going to look at NJ and say, hmmm, they refused to overpay a UFA...not gonna sign with that team, screw teams with smart GMs. That's ridiculous.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:01 PM

jesus christ... 2 people agreeing with me on something free agent related...

 


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:05 PM

We absolutely need to ADD to what we had in term of production. we can't expect guys to step up all the time and overproduce

I completely agree with this. I felt, and I think most devils fans felt that last year's team could have been good. However, we knew that certain things needed to happen in order to be a good team. We needed to stay injury free to keep the depth in the lineup and we needed the young guys to step up to Contribute more. The Devils started off great, but once injuries happened our season went down the tubes. Lou left a lot up to chance and obviously it didn't work out this season. If he is banking on young kids stepping up again we won't have a good season. With that being said I think Lou knows that he needs to add pieces to this puzzle. And I expect that even if we lose Clarkson he will be very active this summer.
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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:05 PM

As a fanbase, we're becoming so scared of the "boogeyman" (overpaying a few players here and there) that when UFA time comes, we're pretty much convincing ourselves that it's worth it to let everyone walk. And watch us fall down the standings.

 

This is so so so true i almost feel like paypaling you an high five


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:08 PM

Who said we're not doing enough to keep our players? FA aren't going to look at NJ and say, hmmm, they refused to overpay a UFA...not gonna sign with that team, screw teams with smart GMs. That's ridiculous.

 

I don't really doubt that we'll re-sign Elias, I think he's staying. But if we don't re-sign Clarkson and he gets a $4-5M contract (not over) elsewhere, I'll say we're not doing enough. But at this stage, this is only speculation and what-if message board banter, so we can't really pass that judgment on our GM, yet.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:14 PM

This is so so so true i almost feel like paypaling you an high five

 

haha! I don't know, I'm a total sipper of Lou's Kool-Aid 99% of the time. The subtle moves he pulled out of his ass last season were brilliant, and hiring Pete DeBoer was a phenomenal choice (in my opinion).

 

However, when UFA season comes around, I feel like too many of us take pride in inching closer and closer to the salary cap floor and not enough about outfitting a team to win. I'm not saying I want moves a la Penguins, actually far from it. But after losing Parise, we need to do SOMETHING. Letting Clarkson (70 points in a year and a half) go is not "doing something", especially if we're not going to use that cap space to "do something".


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:14 PM

No, but SterioDesign just took all the words out of my mouth. If we can't re-sign Clarkson, who the hell can we sign? Who the hell WILL we sign? Say what you will about Clarkson, and whether he's overpaid, but we can't just keep letting players producing numbers just walk all the time without adding

 

Howbout waiting until after UFA season opens to start thinking the worst? No one can answer these questions. Does anyone think Clarkson is worth DOUBLE his current salary? That's likely what he's going to get. We already have a few crappy contracts on this team. UFA's are not the only method of acquisition either.

 

 

 

We all know Lou's not going to make a trade for Bobby Ryan or try and sign Dupuis or Ribeiro as UFA. It's like the economy's relationship to consumer confidence; just like SterioDesign said, who will even want to entertain the idea of signing here when they see us not doing enough to keep our key players around?

 

Just like how we didn't make a move for Kovalchuk? DGMW, I'm not expecting anything in this respect, but to say "we all know" is silly. NO ONE KNOWS what Lou is going to do yet.  It's entirely too early to think like this or base this opinion on fvcking Clarkson of all people. Do you expect us to make the playoffs just b/c we brought back Clarkson? I'm not worried about Elias. He's not going to leave unless there are other issues in play. But to say with such assurance that we're not doing this or that is ludicrous. Do you expect Henrique and Zajac to sh!t the bed offensively again this coming season? 

 

 

 

As a fanbase, we're becoming so scared of the "boogeyman" (overpaying a few players here and there) that when UFA time comes, we're pretty much convincing ourselves that it's worth it to let everyone walk. And watch us fall down the standings.

 

This is basically bullsh!t. There's no other word for it. It's not being scared of overpaying. Overpaying the right people is fine. Parise was worth overpaying. Elias, even now, is worth overpaying. Clarkson is NOT worth overpaying, and when I say overpaying, I say 5+.

 

The whole point  is that it's too damn early to think like this and the amount of negative assumption is literally insane! 

 

David Clarkson does not make or break this team. Does his production (if lost) need to be replaced? Sure, but we won't know how or if it will until its possible to do it. Clarkson had 24 points this season. 15 of them were in the first 15 games. 9 over the remaining 33 in a shortened season. Yea, he's worth 5M per year. Please.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:14 PM

I don't really doubt that we'll re-sign Elias, I think he's staying. But if we don't re-sign Clarkson and he gets a $4-5M contract (not over) elsewhere, I'll say we're not doing enough. But at this stage, this is only speculation and what-if message board banter, so we can't really pass that judgment on our GM, yet.

I just think the whole FA won't want to come here is silly. I have a feeling players take things like would I like living there? Is the team run well? Will I be paid adequately? Rather then, what did they pay their pending UFAs? Or their financials are a mess, so forget it. These guys get guaranteed money on their contracts, it's not like if a team is a mess financially, they won't get paid or something. To me, it just seems like that would not be an issue to players besides how it might affect the team's overall performance and ability for himself to be on a playoff team.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:15 PM

 

As a fanbase, we're becoming so scared of the "boogeyman" (overpaying a few players here and there) that when UFA time comes, we're pretty much convincing ourselves that it's worth it to let everyone walk. And watch us fall down the standings.

 

That's how it's done in NJ though; rarely has Lou paid big money for the top UFA's.  Lou really doesn't get involved in the bidding wars for the top UFAs, with Kovy being the only recent exception.

 

That being said, Lou is always active.  And he's made competitive offers to the most important Devils' UFA's recently (Parise).  Top talent leaves because there's always that idiot GM that's willing to offer too much money over too long a term.  I, for one, am glad that that GM isn't Lou.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:15 PM

I don't really doubt that we'll re-sign Elias, I think he's staying. But if we don't re-sign Clarkson and he gets a $4-5M contract (not over) elsewhere, I'll say we're not doing enough. But at this stage, this is only speculation and what-if message board banter, so we can't really pass that judgment on our GM, yet.

 

We also need to face the reality that if Vanderbeek is still looking for a minority partner and is therefore footing the bill himself until he finds one, that there may be an internal cap.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:16 PM

The whole point  is that it's too damn early to think like this and the amount of negative assumption is literally insane! 

 

 

I'll agree with you there.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:19 PM

Who said we're not doing enough to keep our players? FA aren't going to look at NJ and say, hmmm, they refused to overpay a UFA...not gonna sign with that team, screw teams with smart GMs. That's ridiculous.

 

its not about not signing there because the GM is not overpaying a UFA. It's about looking at the structure of the team and organization for the future and who your gonna be playing with, thats what players are looking for. Why do you think there's a bunch of players who wants to join the Pens or LA? cause if youre a winger you know you're gonna have a good center.

 

The Devils are not a shoe in contender like we were for the longest time. We don't have long term signed players other than Kovalchuk that another player would dream to play with. Our goalie situation is quite scary and god knows whats up in the future? We don't even know if Lou will still be here in a few years the guy is like 104 years old.

 

like i said somewhere else, i'd be surprised if guys like Horton or Ryder or whoever is out there would be thrilled to play with Zajac or a rookie who couldnt crack LA's lineup.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:21 PM

ghdi took the words out of my mouth.  I don't think this fanbase is proud of being at the salary floor.  It's not 2000 anymore, there's a salary cap now, everyone's on presumably equal footing, or as equal as it's going to get.  But by participating in the free agent market, you basically hope not to lose.  Every so often a good signing happens and fans whine that their team didn't do it (the current one being P.A. Parenteau, which is a fair contract for a good player).  And sometimes you've got to participate because you don't have a choice (NJ in 2007 with Dainius Zubrus, e.g.).

 

I don't mind letting players walk out the door when there's low cost alternatives.

 

The Devils are in the middle of teams that are appealing to free agents.  Taxes aren't murder, the media is forgiving and small, the team has a history of winning, it's close to New York, the Devils have typically spent like a mid-market team since McMullen sold the team (exceptions being when NJ was way up above the cap in years like 2011 and 2007).  These garbage rumors don't change that.  It's paranoia.


its not about not signing there because the GM is not overpaying a UFA. It's about looking at the structure of the team and organization for the future and who your gonna be playing with, thats what players are looking for. Why do you think there's a bunch of players who wants to join the Pens or LA? cause if youre a winger you know you're gonna have a good center.

 

The Devils are not a shoe in contender like we were for the longest time. We don't have long term signed players other than Kovalchuk that another player would dream to play with. Our goalie situation is quite scary and god knows whats up in the future? We don't even know if Lou will still be here in a few years the guy is like 104 years old.

 

like i said somewhere else, i'd be surprised if guys like Horton or Ryder or whoever is out there would be thrilled to play with Zajac or a rookie who couldnt crack LA's lineup.

 

Gimme a break.  Players go where they get paid.  Oh boo hoo we can't get Jarome Iginla, tough break for us!  We don't have anyone who players dream to play with - this is a media creation.  Yeah, all else being equal, guys want to go to places where there are already great players.  However, these teams, thanks to the salary cap, don't always have a lot of money.

 

Also yeah LA's gotten lots of free agents over the years like what's his name.


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