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#341 SterioDesign

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:27 PM

Gimme a break.  Players go where they get paid.  Oh boo hoo we can't get Jarome Iginla, tough break for us!  We don't have anyone who players dream to play with - this is a media creation.  Yeah, all else being equal, guys want to go to places where there are already great players.  However, these teams, thanks to the salary cap, don't always have a lot of money.

 

Also yeah LA's gotten lots of free agents over the years like what's his name.

 

They go where they get paid yeah lol which is not in NJ i think its safe to say. They didnt have to sign anyone look at their roster. One of our top player is one who couldnt crack their lineup, its saying a lot.

 

It's not media creating players OFTEN come out and say they signed somewhere cause they wanted to play with this and this guy. Why do you think Iginla changed his mind and he clearly said he choose Pittsburgh cause he wanted to play with malkin and Crosby. A big lol to him for that though haha


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:29 PM

Players always say there is reason X, Y, and Z why they chose whichever team they ended up with but those reasons almost always seem to coincide with whatever team was offering the most money or security.

 

The reasons X, Y, and Z change from player to player but the money part is strangely consistent, since it usually isn't brought up as one of the reasons yet appears to be the strongest.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:31 PM

They go where they get paid yeah lol which is not in NJ i think its safe to say. They didnt have to sign anyone look at their roster. One of our top player is one who couldnt crack their lineup, its saying a lot.

 

Yeah, it's saying that they don't know how to keep talent at the margins.  The Devils, again, are not this cheap team - let's remove the stigmas from 2000.  You can't win in this league without paying someone, and you can't step on a player's head for six years like you could under the old system.  Have the Devils had a contract holdout since the 2005 CBA was signed?

 

 

It's not media creating players OFTEN come out and say they signed somewhere cause they wanted to play with this and this guy. Why do you think Iginla changed his mind and he clearly said he choose Pittsburgh cause he wanted to play with malkin and Crosby. A big lol to him for that though haha

 

It's a media creation because no one ever says they come to a place because it's who paid them the most money.  So they come up with other reasons like 'Yeah, I really wanted to come here because they win' or 'because they have this great player.'  or 'because they gave me a chance'.  

 

Jason Arnott and Marek Zidlicky waived no-trade clauses to come here.  NJ's right in the middle of NHL destinations - it's not going way up or way down without a significant change.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:35 PM

 

Also yeah LA's gotten lots of free agents over the years like what's his name.

 

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But seriously, this whole "oh players don't want to play in NJ" thing is being blown way out of proportion.  Like, comically so.

 

NJ is a very attractive market.  Right now the finances may not permit spending to the cap, but this team wouldn't struggle to attract UFA's because of the area.  Lou just doesn't spend stupid money on big name players (look over the river to see a GM who does, and look how his team has done).


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:38 PM

Seriously, I don't think the Devils lost a free agent when they were the highest bidder since Niedermayer. Money talks, which is why we have Kovalchuk for better or worse
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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:46 PM

I was going to rebut, but I think my argument was made for me.

I'll worry about this team when we lose players we never thought we could live without like Elias, Parise left, but it wasn't because we couldn't keep him, it's that he ain't worth that contract or the $20M he got upfront.

And with all the anecdotal evidence being tossed around, remember this, Doan sat around for A WHILE just so he could stay in Phoenix, proving that it's not just about going to a big market or to a place with big name players.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:48 PM

I was going to rebut, but I think my argument was made for me.

I'll worry about this team when we lose players we never though we could live without like Elias, Parise left, but it wasn't because we couldn't keep him, it's that he ain't worth that contract or the $20M he got upfront.

And with all the anecdotal evidence being tossed around, remember this, Doan sat around for A WHILE just so he could stay in Phoenix, proving that it's not just about going to a big market or to a place with big name players.

 

I think players staying where they're already happy is the one exception to the idea.  It's a hassle to move, especially with a family, so if you're already happy in a location, that adds a lot of value that other locations can't offer.  Going back home can be in that same category.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 03:37 PM

I think players staying where they're already happy is the one exception to the idea.  It's a hassle to move, especially with a family, so if you're already happy in a location, that adds a lot of value that other locations can't offer.  Going back home can be in that same category.

 

That's one thing that keeps me optimistic about a player like Clarkson. It also makes me think that someone like Briere might seriously consider an "okay" (but not great) deal with the Devils, especially considering some of the things he's been saying to the media lately.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 03:43 PM

That's one thing that keeps me optimistic about a player like Clarkson. 

 

It cuts both ways with him though. The lure of going home to Toronto is a real possibility and his kid is still a baby. Its not like Doan who has a bunch of kids and some of whom are prob teens now.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:01 PM

as far as clarkson goes, i really feel he is a loyal guy and player to this team.. however i do not think he will just re sign here until he explores the market to see what other offers he can get.. i think if lou will match or even come close to paying him what his other offers bring then he will stay.. if there is a large pay difference from another team that devils cannot match then ... what would you do? obviously he will go with a bigger payment for the same job in a different location
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Posted 20 June 2013 - 06:13 PM

The Rags have 14 million in cap space. They have Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Sauer, and Mcdonagh as RFA's this summer. Any idea how much these guys may seek collectively? It has to be at least 10-12 million combined putting the Rags up against the cap so I really can't see where they go free agent shopping to improve.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 06:21 PM

The Rags have 14 million in cap space. They have Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Sauer, and Mcdonagh as RFA's this summer. Any idea how much these guys may seek collectively? It has to be at least 10-12 million combined putting the Rags up against the cap so I really can't see where they go free agent shopping to improve.

 

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 06:26 PM

I was going to rebut, but I think my argument was made for me.

I'll worry about this team when we lose players we never thought we could live without like Elias, Parise left, but it wasn't because we couldn't keep him, it's that he ain't worth that contract or the $20M he got upfront.

And with all the anecdotal evidence being tossed around, remember this, Doan sat around for A WHILE just so he could stay in Phoenix, proving that it's not just about going to a big market or to a place with big name players.

 

you got that wrong though, Doan sat around for A WHILE cause his daughter got her face ripped by a dog and needed 150 stitches and bone / cartilage rebuilt in her face.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 07:22 PM

The Rags have 14 million in cap space. They have Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Sauer, and Mcdonagh as RFA's this summer. Any idea how much these guys may seek collectively? It has to be at least 10-12 million combined putting the Rags up against the cap so I really can't see where they go free agent shopping to improve.

 

Sauer's been hurt so if he gets re-signed it'll be at the minimum or close to it.  They might even just say goodbye to him.  Zuccarello, eh.  McDonagh probably signs between 4-5 million, though it depends.  Stepan, if they hold him to a 2 year contract, is probably only a $2.5/3M guy.  Hagelin around 2.5M too.  So I could see those guys costing them 10M.  Yeah, that is a tough spot for them, wonder what they'll do - maybe deal Pyatt or something so they'll have room to sign Clowe.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:02 PM

not a day goes by that i check several times to see if there has been any progress with zubes clarkie and elias .. some may say im being impatient especially with knowing how this organization works but god ive been on edge with this
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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:28 PM

Rangers can't take on any significany contract for over 1 year. Everyone on their roster except Nash, Richards, Staal, and Dorsset need new contracts either this summer or next summer, and most will get raises
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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:21 PM

Rangers can't take on any significany contract for over 1 year. Everyone on their roster except Nash, Richards, Staal, and Dorsset need new contracts either this summer or next summer, and most will get raises

 

Wouldn't be suprised if Lundqvist gets a very similar contract to Malkin if not more if he stays with the Rangers.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:35 AM

as far as clarkson goes, i really feel he is a loyal guy and player to this team.. however i do not think he will just re sign here until he explores the market to see what other offers he can get.. 

 

Would you? This is his chance to get his big payday and he won't have a shot to get it again. I completely understand that. He's earned his shot at UFA. He's got a chance to get a contract that in other years, he may not be offered. It's really the perfect time for him to be a UFA. Obviously, that's potentially not good for us in respect to keeping him, but I will hold no grudge against him should he walk. 

 

I'm not confident that we are keeping him, but if he walks, I won't waste time mourning the loss and if he stays and the deal is palatable, I'll be happy he's back. Now, last year? I was a mess last year leading up to Zach's decision. The Finals run was helpful in that respect since we didn't have a lot of time to wait before the offseason got going once the Finals were over.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:01 AM

Would you? This is his chance to get his big payday and he won't have a shot to get it again. I completely understand that. He's earned his shot at UFA. He's got a chance to get a contract that in other years, he may not be offered. It's really the perfect time for him to be a UFA. Obviously, that's potentially not good for us in respect to keeping him, but I will hold no grudge against him should he walk. 

 

I'm not confident that we are keeping him, but if he walks, I won't waste time mourning the loss and if he stays and the deal is palatable, I'll be happy he's back. Now, last year? I was a mess last year leading up to Zach's decision. The Finals run was helpful in that respect since we didn't have a lot of time to wait before the offseason got going once the Finals were over.

 

his only shot at getting paid and bla bla bla is a bit pushing, he'll get the years and the money anywhere now and fair money in NJ im sure, its really not as if for him its either poverty on one side and on the other side being able to feed his family. he'll make at least 4.5/5 anywhere he signs for 4+ years. Im pretty sure you can have a good enough life with 5m a year. He won't have to deliver newspaper during weekends to afford his house or wtv im sure


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:39 AM

his only shot at getting paid and bla bla bla is a bit pushing, he'll get the years and the money anywhere now and fair money in NJ im sure, its really not as if for him its either poverty on one side and on the other side being able to feed his family. he'll make at least 4.5/5 anywhere he signs for 4+ years. Im pretty sure you can have a good enough life with 5m a year. He won't have to deliver newspaper during weekends to afford his house or wtv im sure

 

This is his chance to get a big contract. He's going to sign for 4-5 years and probably 4-5 million. He wont get the same at 32-33 and he likely wouldnt get it in other years when the market isn't as thin. Its hardly pushing.


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