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#1581 DJ Eco

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 02:32 PM

Parise is way, way overpaid. Let's be honest, that contract is not going to look good in a few years. It sucks he's gone, but I thought we were all happy that we wouldn't have to deal with a declining 33 year old Parise at a $7-8 million cap hit for 7 more years. It would have been worse while Kovalchuk was still in the picture.

 

 

It didn't look good THIS year, after their playoff round. Minnesota Wild fans everywhere started to acknowledge that maybe we were right about him disappearing in the playoffs.


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#1582 Martyisth3b3st

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 02:52 PM

lol

edit: okay i didnt want to reply anything but i'll just say this. There's nothing that i dont "get", i simply don't agree. Most of you guys are simply a bunch of hypocrite homers who would praise anything Lou does and refuse to admit when he does thing that hurt us.

You'll use what he did "right" (which i agree he did a lot) to cover what he does wrong listing a bunch of things that he did and what we won and accomplished (and ignore it) and when a rival GM does something very right you guys will brush it off just calling off the bad moves he did. I'm just not that hypocrite sorry. We see this a lot with Shero, he didnt get the results he should have lately but he did GREAT in the last few years, a lot better than Lou but yet most of you will just bash him cause he's the Pens GM. I dont like him either and the Pens but gotta give credits where its due

And then you'll base whats the "right" thing to do in your mind based on the way Lou does things. It's not and our lack of depth and talent on the team right now at the moment and us losing quite possibly a top pick this year is a result of all that.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:25 PM

Losing Parise sucked majorly at first but just kinda sucks now.  By the end of this coming season I won't care anymore and by the end of the season after that I will be glad we are not stuck with him and that contract.

 

The end.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:31 PM

Losing Parise sucked majorly at first but just kinda sucks now.  By the end of this coming season I won't care anymore and by the end of the season after that I will be glad we are not stuck with him and that contract.

 

The end.

 

Until he's brought back once Minnesota buys him out in about.. 6 years, tops.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:43 PM

Until he's brought back once Minnesota buys him out in about.. 6 years, tops.

 

Not sure if I want him back.  Not because I would still be pissed at him, I just wonder what kind of player he would be then.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:44 PM

Not sure if I want him back.  Not because I would still be pissed at him, I just wonder what kind of player he would be then.

Either an average bottom 6er or out of the league

 

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:52 PM

we should be thankful that we got to enjoy parise threw his best years.. dont think i would have wanted to tie him up in a long pricey contract .. he was obviously a great player but i feel like there is other younger talent out there there by the time his contract really gets ticking
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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:58 PM

It didn't look good THIS year, after their playoff round. Minnesota Wild fans everywhere started to acknowledge that maybe we were right about him disappearing in the playoffs.

 

Are you suggesting that 1 goal and a minus 7 in 5 games isn't worth a 7.5 million cap hit??


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 04:01 PM

The Parise contract is fine going forward - Kane and Toews are going to get 9M+, Getzlaf and Perry got a higher cap hit, not sure either's better than Zach, and if so not significantly - the issue with it is cap recapture, which is going to really jam up the Wild's salary cap situation when Zach retires.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:18 PM

The Parise contract is fine going forward - Kane and Toews are going to get 9M+, Getzlaf and Perry got a higher cap hit, not sure either's better than Zach, and if so not significantly - the issue with it is cap recapture, which is going to really jam up the Wild's salary cap situation when Zach retires.

Not sure I agree with that.

 

In 5-7 years, the cap will probably be around 75-80 million. You'd be comfortable having two players in their mid-thirties taking up around  ~20 percent of the cap? Parise, as we probably know will not be a top 6 player at the point and who knows where Suter will be? It's not like salaries are increasing for the Wild too. Brodin is a great player and will be getting PAID and if Granlund and Coyle break out, there could be some problems. 

 

It'll be tough for them, especially if the rumors about Vanek wanting to come there are true


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 06:02 PM

In 5-7 years, the cap will probably be around 75-80 million.

 

In 5 years, the cap will probably be $80M.  Can't predict the future, but I'd be surprised if it was under that amount.  The players get to vote for the 5% inflator every year, which they've been doing every year since the 2005 lockout.  5% of where the cap is going is a large amount now - that in itself is $3M a year.  

 

You'd be comfortable having two players in their mid-thirties taking up around  ~20 percent of the cap? Parise, as we probably know will not be a top 6 player at the point and who knows where Suter will be? It's not like salaries are increasing for the Wild too. Brodin is a great player and will be getting PAID and if Granlund and Coyle break out, there could be some problems.

 

I wouldn't be, but my point was that Parise's cap hit is fine now.  Going forward it depends on how Parise declines versus how the cap goes up.  Star defensemen age really well, typically - dunno if Ryan Suter falls into that camp.  In the short season, Parise was able to maintain his shot rate even on a worse team - we'll see how long he does that.  Once he falls below 3 shots a game it's going to get ugly.

 

 

 

 

It'll be tough for them, especially if the rumors about Vanek wanting to come there are true

 

It's rumored that they're talking a new deal for Pominville, I can't imagine them having room for Vanek after that.  


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 06:06 PM

Ask your brother about how his Rangers partial plan was last year.  Oh yeah I forgot they priced him out of the arena.

I love the fact that he's stuck with the sh!t company known as Cablevision for TV and internet. It's like a daily reminder to him about how much Dolan screws him in life! haha


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Posted 06 September 2013 - 01:50 PM

Mueller signed in the Swiss league per McKenzie.
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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:26 AM

My man Kiptusoff retires. Good guy and great goalie

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 01:38 PM

My man Kiptusoff retires. Good guy and great goalie

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Wow, didn't realize he was 36 years old already.  My first thought was before I looked up his age was "Man, he seems kind of young to retire."  Scary how quickly the time passes. 


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 01:46 PM

Wow, didn't realize he was 36 years old already.  My first thought was before I looked up his age was "Man, he seems kind of young to retire."  Scary how quickly the time passes. 

 

Honestly, I thought he was older than 36.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 01:50 PM

Gotta give Kipper credit. He had a chance to get traded at the deadline and decided to finish it in Calgary and retire as a Flame. Good for him.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 01:55 PM

Not sure I agree with that.

 

In 5-7 years, the cap will probably be around 75-80 million. You'd be comfortable having two players in their mid-thirties taking up around  ~20 percent of the cap? Parise, as we probably know will not be a top 6 player at the point and who knows where Suter will be? It's not like salaries are increasing for the Wild too. Brodin is a great player and will be getting PAID and if Granlund and Coyle break out, there could be some problems. 

 

It'll be tough for them, especially if the rumors about Vanek wanting to come there are true

 

you're never "stuck" with good players. At the very worst if you can't make it under the cap teams that can will throw picks, players, prospects at you of similar value which will give you something in return for the future or not set you back too much since you get an NHL caliber player in return and fit under the cap.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 02:24 PM

you're never "stuck" with good players. At the very worst if you can't make it under the cap teams that can will throw picks, players, prospects at you of similar value which will give you something in return for the future or not set you back too much since you get an NHL caliber player in return and fit under the cap.

 

Yeah, because there have never been past-their-prime star NHL players with awful contracts that were impossible to move.

 

That was my best Triumph impression (like the condescending sarcasm?  :lol:), but seriously.  If Parise were to crash within the next 5 years, you're going to have a bad player with an awful contract that noone will want to pick up (See: Drury, Redden, Briere, Bryz, Lecavalier, to a lesser extent Luongo..etc.)  Again:  This isn't Be A GM mode, this is real life.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 02:50 PM

Yeah, because there have never been past-their-prime star NHL players with awful contracts that were impossible to move.

 

That was my best Triumph impression (like the condescending sarcasm?   :lol:), but seriously.  If Parise were to crash within the next 5 years, you're going to have a bad player with an awful contract that noone will want to pick up (See: Drury, Redden, Briere, Bryz, Lecavalier, to a lesser extent Luongo..etc.)  Again:  This isn't Be A GM mode, this is real life.

 

The Wild are very unlikely to ever trade Parise, because they'll face a giant dead cap hit if they do, and whoever gets him will face a cap penalty if he retires early - his contract is severely front-loaded.  He's basically untradeable under this CBA no matter how good or bad he is.


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