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Where will the Devils make their first selection in the 2013 draft?

  1. 1-8 overall (11 votes [26.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.19%

  2. 9 (24 votes [57.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  3. 10+ (7 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

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#41 Triumph

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:47 AM

If you're not including Larsson, perhaps Merrill and something else gets the seventh pick. That's about it though. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

You move the 7th overall pick for other picks or for NHL players, in almost all cases.  What do the Oilers want with Jon Merrill?  Why is he worth a lot to them?  It doesn't make any sense.

 

If they're going to move Horcoff and Hemsky, I could see them floating a 7th overall pick for an excellent centerman, but I don't know who's biting on that one - not a lot of spare centers out there, there isn't a Jordan Staal type of situation in the NHL right now that I can think of.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 12:34 PM

If you're not including Larsson, perhaps Merrill and something else gets the seventh pick. That's about it though. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

You move the 7th overall pick for other picks or for NHL players, in almost all cases. What do the Oilers want with Jon Merrill? Why is he worth a lot to them? It doesn't make any sense.

If they're going to move Horcoff and Hemsky, I could see them floating a 7th overall pick for an excellent centerman, but I don't know who's biting on that one - not a lot of spare centers out there, there isn't a Jordan Staal type of situation in the NHL right now that I can think of.


Well a pick, like a second might be included. You want Merrill because he's a young close to NHL ready defenseman that projects to be a top line defenseman. Merrill is certainly a better bet now than any of the defensemen in the draft, save Seth Jones


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 12:45 PM

I don't expect to move up, I have a feeling we will be in the lottery for the top pick the next two seasons.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 12:51 PM

I don't expect to move up, I have a feeling we will be in the lottery for the top pick the next two seasons.


Unfortunately not next year.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 01:02 PM

Well a pick, like a second might be included. You want Merrill because he's a young close to NHL ready defenseman that projects to be a top line defenseman. Merrill is certainly a better bet now than any of the defensemen in the draft, save Seth Jones Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

That's an awful trade.  Again, what has Merrill shown in the NHL?  Nothing.  There's a reason why prospects are seldom moved for picks.

 

Picks in this range have been moved recently -

 

In 2011, the Flyers traded Jeff Carter for 8th overall and Jakub Voracek

 

In 2012, the Hurricanes traded 7th overall, Brian Dumolin, and Brandon Sutter for Jordan Staal

 

So yeah it'd have to be the 7th overall pick and something else, probably - don't see who's doing that, but I guess these sorts of trades are usually surprising.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 01:11 PM

Well a pick, like a second might be included. You want Merrill because he's a young close to NHL ready defenseman that projects to be a top line defenseman. Merrill is certainly a better bet now than any of the defensemen in the draft, save Seth Jones Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

That's an awful trade. Again, what has Merrill shown in the NHL? Nothing. There's a reason why prospects are seldom moved for picks.

Picks in this range have been moved recently -

In 2011, the Flyers traded Jeff Carter for 8th overall and Jakub Voracek

In 2012, the Hurricanes traded 7th overall, Brian Dumolin, and Brandon Sutter for Jordan Staal

So yeah it'd have to be the 7th overall pick and something else, probably - don't see who's doing that, but I guess these sorts of trades are usually surprising.


Your two examples include the team trading the pick giving up something else very significant in addition to the pick, so I don't see your point.

Like I said, Merrill is a better bet now than Zadorov, Nurse or Ristolian. Some people have those three as 8 to 12 on the board.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 01:34 PM

While I agree about Merrill being better than any of those three right now, I'm not sure how high his trade value is, or how well the other organizations would rate him. Remember, he's had two consecutive shortened seasons, one due to an injury and the other due to some disciplinary reason.

 

I don't think a trade has to be structured in the same way as the Penguins/Hurricanes or Flyers/Kings trades of the last few years. They were looking at: early pick + promising prospect(s) for a good NHL player.

We would be doing something more like: 9th + NHLer or promising prospect for 7th, I would think.

 

Or am I wrong to think that this gets you the 9th?

 

I really think that the Devils need to get someone especially good in this draft, and that trading up to 7th guarantees one of Monahan, Lindholm, or Nichushkin. Drafting one of these guys isn't quite as urgent for Edmonton (in my opinion) because they have a lot of guys filling out their top 6 for years to come. It would be helpful for them to have more of a veteran presence on their team so they have a chance of actually making the playoffs soon.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 02:28 PM


If you're not including Larsson, perhaps Merrill and something else gets the seventh pick. That's about it though.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

ok I dint think that's worth it. Move up two spots? No thanks... Unless of course the top 8 take those forwards off the boards
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Posted 09 June 2013 - 02:34 PM

If you're not including Larsson, perhaps Merrill and something else gets the seventh pick. That's about it though.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDok I dint think that's worth it. Move up two spots? No thanks... Unless of course the top 8 take those forwards off the boards


For the seventh pick straight up, was what I suggested.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 02:52 PM

Your two examples include the team trading the pick giving up something else very significant in addition to the pick, so I don't see your point. Like I said, Merrill is a better bet now than Zadorov, Nurse or Ristolian. Some people have those three as 8 to 12 on the board. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

I don't think that's the case at all.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 02:58 PM

I don't think that's the case at all.


Hockeyprospectus, which is the biggest prospect buzz kill of them all projects Merrill as a first pairing defenseman. That's what you hope to get out of a defenseman drafted number 7.
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Posted 09 June 2013 - 03:17 PM

They need D, if we give them our first, 2nd and a D prospect I think it would do it. Man it would be so sweet if we could land lindholm
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Posted 09 June 2013 - 03:37 PM

They need D, if we give them our first, 2nd and a D prospect I think it would do it. Man it would be so sweet if we could land lindholm

 

I really dont think thats worth moving up 2 spots.. This is a deep draft, there could be nice players available in the 2nd round as well. We'll hopefully be shedding some old expensive D-men soon, so trading away someone like Merrill doesn't appeal to me unless we're moving into the top 3. Someone like Shinkaruk should still be available at 9, he could easily turn out to be a 1st line sniper.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 03:55 PM

Hockeyprospectus, which is the biggest prospect buzz kill of them all projects Merrill as a first pairing defenseman. That's what you hope to get out of a defenseman drafted number 7.

 

He's been suspended for off-ice issues, he had off-ice issues before he was drafted, and a neck injury which some thought was career-threatening.  He's a dynamite prospect, but there's a lot of risk there.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 04:19 PM

Devils should not try to move up to #7 or anywhere. It's simply going to cost way too much. If they aren't high on Shinkaruk, I wouldn't mind moving down to the middle of the first and gain another 2nd. 3 top 45 picks could help a lot down the road


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 04:45 PM

Hockeyprospectus, which is the biggest prospect buzz kill of them all projects Merrill as a first pairing defenseman. That's what you hope to get out of a defenseman drafted number 7. He's been suspended for off-ice issues, he had off-ice issues before he was drafted, and a neck injury which some thought was career-threatening. He's a dynamite prospect, but there's a lot of risk there.

I never heard anyone say that his neck injury was career threatening, or that they expect any issues going forward because of it. None of us know the nature of the off ice issues. Patrick Kane has had his share of those, and no one seems to think they matter all that much. Even with those though, he's at a stage now where he's projected to be what the other non Seth Jones defenseman in the draft project to be, based on what I've read anyway. Whatever risk he has, is a lot less as compared to any 17 year old that isn't can't miss.He's obviously not good enough to get you to the top five forwards, but after that a team that feels it needs defense might do it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Devils should not try to move up to #7 or anywhere. It's simply going to cost way too much. If they aren't high on Shinkaruk, I wouldn't mind moving down to the middle of the first and gain another 2nd. 3 top 45 picks could help a lot down the road

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 05:09 PM

I don't think anyone would trade the non-Jones top defenseman in the draft for Merrill straight up.  Merrill has played fine and is a really nice prospect, but he also hasn't shown any surprising growth either.

 

Merrill went 38th overall in a regular-ish draft year, possibly due to his off ice issues.  Those off ice issues haven't gone away, he's had a big injury, and his growth curve appears to be just normal.  I don't think teams will be that excited to trade a top 10 pick, in what looks like a good draft, for a guy with that track record who was a second round draft pick 2 years ago.

 

Merrill is probably slightly safer than a top defenseman taken in this draft, but due to Merrill's lack of playing time I don't think the risk difference is that great.  I do think the upside surprise for Merrill is much less than the top defenseman in this draft.  If I was a team that didn't view myself as an immediate contender, I'd prefer having the possibility of upside surprise rather than the slightly safer Merrill.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 08:04 PM

I don't think anyone would trade the non-Jones top defenseman in the draft for Merrill straight up.  Merrill has played fine and is a really nice prospect, but he also hasn't shown any surprising growth either.

 

Merrill went 38th overall in a regular-ish draft year, possibly due to his off ice issues.  Those off ice issues haven't gone away, he's had a big injury, and his growth curve appears to be just normal.  I don't think teams will be that excited to trade a top 10 pick, in what looks like a good draft, for a guy with that track record who was a second round draft pick 2 years ago.

 

Merrill is probably slightly safer than a top defenseman taken in this draft, but due to Merrill's lack of playing time I don't think the risk difference is that great.  I do think the upside surprise for Merrill is much less than the top defenseman in this draft.  If I was a team that didn't view myself as an immediate contender, I'd prefer having the possibility of upside surprise rather than the slightly safer Merrill.

 

Eh.  If you redrafted the 2010 draft right now, Merrill probably goes in the late teens-early 20s, even with his issues (for instance, just about everyone above him taken in the 2nd round had a horrendous year in the pros, probably not helped out by the lockout, but still).  But like you said, that's still not enough (nor the ubiquitous 2nd round pick) to get a top pick.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 09:42 PM

I don't think anyone would trade the non-Jones top defenseman in the draft for Merrill straight up. Merrill has played fine and is a really nice prospect, but he also hasn't shown any surprising growth either.

Merrill went 38th overall in a regular-ish draft year, possibly due to his off ice issues. Those off ice issues haven't gone away, he's had a big injury, and his growth curve appears to be just normal. I don't think teams will be that excited to trade a top 10 pick, in what looks like a good draft, for a guy with that track record who was a second round draft pick 2 years ago.

Merrill is probably slightly safer than a top defenseman taken in this draft, but due to Merrill's lack of playing time I don't think the risk difference is that great. I do think the upside surprise for Merrill is much less than the top defenseman in this draft. If I was a team that didn't view myself as an immediate contender, I'd prefer having the possibility of upside surprise rather than the slightly safer Merrill.

Eh. If you redrafted the 2010 draft right now, Merrill probably goes in the late teens-early 20s, even with his issues (for instance, just about everyone above him taken in the 2nd round had a horrendous year in the pros, probably not helped out by the lockout, but still). But like you said, that's still not enough (nor the ubiquitous 2nd round pick) to get a top pick.


I think Merrill would be taken before McIlrath, who was drafted 10 if you could do it again. Some mocks had Merrill being taken at 20.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 09:46 PM

What do Mock drafts matter? He was taken 38th so that was his true value at the time to the NHL GMs.
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