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#21 DJ Eco

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 02:30 PM

I guarantee you, there will be empty seats at the draft from the STH's who took tickets just b/c they could but have no real desire of going in the first place.

 

 

There's no real way to know though, considering people will be moving back and forth between hanging out at the seating area and the arena activities and bars around the neighborhood. I know I will.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 02:41 PM

There's no real way to know though, considering people will be moving back and forth between hanging out at the seating area and the arena activities and bars around the neighborhood. I know I will.

 

Sure, I get that, but its besides the point. Its just a potential negative ramification from the Devils mistake in the way this whole event's ticketing has been handled. The Fan Fest also starts at 10am. Theres going to be another group of people who get there early and with the draft starting at 3pm, the Devils first pick won't happen until almost 6 hours after the entire event really began. That's already a long day for some, and espc with it being a Sunday, people have to work the next day and all. 

 

I don't agree with the ones who have said "this is the best they could do" because its far from the actuality. They could've done quite a few things to alleviate the backlash they're receiving from not only their own fans, but fans of other teams that wanted a better chance to attend as well. Obviously, other teams fans being angry is even lesser of an issue, but they have every right to attend an NHL event. 


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 02:47 PM

Sure, I get that, but its besides the point. Its just a potential negative ramification from the Devils mistake in the way this whole event's ticketing has been handled. The Fan Fest also starts at 10am. Theres going to be another large group of people who get there very early and with the draft starting at 3pm, the Devils first pick won't happen until almost 6 hours after the entire event really began. That's already a long day for some, and espc with it being a Sunday, people have to work the next day and all.

I don't agree with the ones who have said "this is the best they could do" because its far from the actuality. They could've done quite a few things to alleviate the backlash they're receiving from not only their own fans, but fans of other teams that wanted a better chance to attend as well. Obviously, other teams fans being angry is even lesser of an issue, but they have every right to attend an NHL event.


Why would the devils worry or care if other teams fans get tickets? Their goal is to try to satisfy their own fans which with the limited seating is impossible for this event. One would think they guaranteed all sth tix because of the lock out and as a way of saying thanks for letting us hold onto your money.
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Posted 22 June 2013 - 03:08 PM

Why would the devils worry or care if other teams fans get tickets? Their goal is to try to satisfy their own fans which with the limited seating is impossible for this event. One would think they guaranteed all sth tix because of the lock out and as a way of saying thanks for letting us hold onto your money.

 

You don't get my point. STH should be the first catered to which Ive not seen anyone argue against, I'm not taking issue with that AT ALL. But with making the tickets a guarantee they end up guaranteeing tickets to STH's that don't really want to go. I get that its impossible to read minds of everyone or assume that not everyone would go or not.

 

And the Devils have no incentive to get fans of other teams in, unless the NHL has rules regarding accessibility "chances". The nature and set up of this event guarantees that someone is going to be left out.

 

Here's what I would've done. The 2013 Draft Benefit. Pick between guaranteed NHL Draft tickets or an exclusive catered dinner night with the team at the goal bar or a $30 gift card to the Den or seats in the 100 level to a selection of concerts or X (other ideas). Even if it was only one option, it doesnt matter. Does anyone really believe that every STH would all choose draft tickets over other possibilities?

 

Instead by guaranteeing Draft Tickets and no choice, no matter the interest level of the STH, they're going to take them. I dont blame them for that. The limitations in seating and time constraints of the draft itself are issues that at the very least could've been alleviated even if a small # to allow more tickets for the general public and other people that wanted to attend. The way it is now, the Devils did not do the best they could've. 


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#25 Chuck the Duck

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 03:27 PM

You don't get my point. STH should be the first catered to which Ive not seen anyone argue against, I'm not taking issue with that AT ALL. But with making the tickets a guarantee they end up guaranteeing tickets to STH's that don't really want to go. I get that its impossible to read minds of everyone or assume that not everyone would go or not.

 

And the Devils have no incentive to get fans of other teams in, unless the NHL has rules regarding accessibility "chances". The nature and set up of this event guarantees that someone is going to be left out.

 

Here's what I would've done. The 2013 Draft Benefit. Pick between guaranteed NHL Draft tickets or an exclusive catered dinner night with the team at the goal bar or a $30 gift card to the Den or seats in the 100 level to a selection of concerts or X (other ideas). Even if it was only one option, it doesnt matter. Does anyone really believe that every STH would all choose draft tickets over other possibilities?

 

Instead by guaranteeing Draft Tickets and no choice, no matter the interest level of the STH, they're going to take them. I dont blame them for that. The limitations in seating and time constraints of the draft itself are issues that at the very least could've been alleviated even if a small # to allow more tickets for the general public and other people that wanted to attend. The way it is now, the Devils did not do the best they could've. 

 

Your sugestion isn't a bad one at all, but it has some flaws from the Devils end.  The problems with your suggestion are that (a) the team already offers STH's various meet and greet events with the players (when they decide to actually hold them), plus they would be required to spend money on the dinners for the fans that took that option that they don't have to spend right now, (b) the restaurant only holds a certain number of people that couldn't possibly accomodate 1 seating of the fans that would choose that option, so you would need to hold it at least twice or force the excess fans into other options leaving those fans upset so they could complain about it on forums such as this, and © the Devils would have to buy the tickets to the concert from the promoter (unless DAE was the promoter of the concerts it chose to offer as an incentive), meaning it is again paying out money it doesn't have to spend now.  The gift card option would probably cost them the least amount of money, but I think a lot of the people that took their draft tickets would still have passed on the gift card as an option because it's not enough of an incentive.

 

At the end of the day, the team couldn't possibly make everyone happy.  And not every STH took the tickets (if they did, there wouldn't possibly have been enough tickets for the STH's alone, let alone anyne else).  They did the right thing by appeasing their STH's, who (whether some people on this board like it or not) are the life blood of this team.  STH's are not necessarily better fans, but their thousands of dollar spent every year matter to this team, so they decided to reward the STH's for that. 


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 03:41 PM

Your sugestion isn't a bad one at all, but it has some flaws from the Devils end.  The problems with your suggestion are that (a) the team already offers STH's various meet and greet events with the players (when they decide to actually hold them), plus they would be required to spend money on the dinners for the fans that took that option that they don't have to spend right now, (b) the restaurant only holds a certain number of people that couldn't possibly accomodate 1 seating of the fans that would choose that option, so you would need to hold it at least twice or force the excess fans into other options leaving those fans upset so they could complain about it on forums such as this, and © the Devils would have to buy the tickets to the concert from the promoter (unless DAE was the promoter of the concerts it chose to offer as an incentive), meaning it is again paying out money it doesn't have to spend now.  The gift card option would probably cost them the least amount of money, but I think a lot of the people that took their draft tickets would still have passed on the gift card as an option because it's not enough of an incentive.

 

At the end of the day, the team couldn't possibly make everyone happy.  And not every STH took the tickets (if they did, there wouldn't possibly have been enough tickets for the STH's alone, let alone anyne else).  They did the right thing by appeasing their STH's, who (whether some people on this board like it or not) are the life blood of this team.  STH's are not necessarily better fans, but their thousands of dollar spent every year matter to this team, so they decided to reward the STH's for that. 

 

The idea for other options that I presented are merely that, an idea that I came up with quickly and with no research. Certainly something unique (as the draft is) could've been provided for as a choice. I also understand the costs argument, but c'mon. This is not the Union Bar League Devils. This is a multimillion dollar business. If there are 10000 STHs and 8000 took draft tickets, even if 20% chose a different option, thats still a healthy amount of tickets freed up. I have no idea the # of STHs. It's also not something that would be year to year. Lets not forget the large amount of corporate STHers that are total casual fans. I don't think the cost argument is very strong. It wouldnt be recurring and something that comes up every year. And there are ways to make a meet a greet event unique. Not one exactly like some of the ones that STHs are already privy to. The Devils took the easy route (and cheapest) in respect to the draft's ticketing. The point is that there are undoutedly ideas that a marketing team could've come up with that would be an attractive option for STHers opening up more tickets for everyone. I get your point, but it's impossible to get into the minds of all the STHs and know exactly what they would've wanted provided there was a choice. There was no choice. The Devils also made a mistake providing STHers with the opportunity to take more tickets and quite a few of them have, I dont blame them. But they shouldve given the STHer a choice. Take free draft tickets with the guarantee of 1 for every seat in your contract or choose from X, Y, or Z. If you want to go to the draft, you're guaranteed a ticket. If you're not all that interested, here's something to replace that benefit. It's a one-time extra since the draft is not going to be here again anytime soon. 

 

No way could they appease everyone espc with this events unavoidable limitations in seating, but there were ways they could've give the STHs a benefit pleasing them and at least attempt to free up as many tickets as possible so that more could attend. The Devils chose the easiest way to handle this. 

 

Anyway, I apologize to those that may be tired of seeing this opinion. The horse is now dead and it is what it is and nothing can be changed. I hope everyone enjoys the draft and those that want to go, get to. 


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#27 Bartholomew Hunt

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:37 PM

The idea for other options that I presented are merely that, an idea that I came up with quickly and with no research. Certainly something unique (as the draft is) could've been provided for as a choice. I also understand the costs argument, but c'mon. This is not the Union Bar League Devils. This is a multimillion dollar business. If there are 10000 STHs and 8000 took draft tickets, even if 20% chose a different option, thats still a healthy amount of tickets freed up. I have no idea the # of STHs. It's also not something that would be year to year. Lets not forget the large amount of corporate STHers that are total casual fans. I don't think the cost argument is very strong. It wouldnt be recurring and something that comes up every year. And there are ways to make a meet a greet event unique. Not one exactly like some of the ones that STHs are already privy to. The Devils took the easy route (and cheapest) in respect to the draft's ticketing. The point is that there are undoutedly ideas that a marketing team could've come up with that would be an attractive option for STHers opening up more tickets for everyone. I get your point, but it's impossible to get into the minds of all the STHs and know exactly what they would've wanted provided there was a choice. There was no choice. The Devils also made a mistake providing STHers with the opportunity to take more tickets and quite a few of them have, I dont blame them. But they shouldve given the STHer a choice. Take free draft tickets with the guarantee of 1 for every seat in your contract or choose from X, Y, or Z. If you want to go to the draft, you're guaranteed a ticket. If you're not all that interested, here's something to replace that benefit. It's a one-time extra since the draft is not going to be here again anytime soon. 

 

No way could they appease everyone espc with this events unavoidable limitations in seating, but there were ways they could've give the STHs a benefit pleasing them and at least attempt to free up as many tickets as possible so that more could attend. The Devils chose the easiest way to handle this. 

 

Anyway, I apologize to those that may be tired of seeing this opinion. The horse is now dead and it is what it is and nothing can be changed. I hope everyone enjoys the draft and those that want to go, get to. 

Don't apologize because you have a reasonable point of view. Comments # 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16 and 20 continue to pound into my mind that this website is 85% children and 15% knowledgeable realistic fans. When did i say season ticket holders shouldn't be allowed to the draft? Thank you for putting words in my mouth though.

 

Ask the STHs if they actually want their tickets to the draft, i'm sure a good amount of STHs don't care about going to the draft, especially on a weekend in the summer. Send every STH an email for a presale to the draft with a promo code to redeem their seats for free, and then, whats not taken, sell. All the STHs that want to go can go, and then fans have a fair chance at going. Also standing room only would be more than adequate. In 2 minutes i've come up with a more sensible way for everyone to be happy. If they did that and i didnt get tix, okay, it happens, but at least its better than filling out some contest entry.

 

The marketing department for this organization did a bad job with this event plain and simple. They got rewarded with having the event here, and then put zero thought into how to host it.  And telling me as a consolation to come to the same half ass fan fest they have before every game is a embarrassing.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:48 PM

Don't apologize because you have a reasonable point of view. Comments # 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16 and 20 continue to pound into my mind that this website is 85% children and 15% knowledgeable realistic fans. When did i say season ticket holders shouldn't be allowed to the draft? Thank you for putting words in my mouth though.

Ask the STHs if they actually want their tickets to the draft, i'm sure a good amount of STHs don't care about going to the draft, especially on a weekend in the summer. Send every STH an email for a presale to the draft with a promo code to redeem their seats for free, and then, whats not taken, sell. All the STHs that want to go can go, and then fans have a fair chance at going. Also standing room only would be more than adequate. In 2 minutes i've come up with a more sensible way for everyone to be happy. If they did that and i didnt get tix, okay, it happens, but at least its better than filling out some contest entry.

The marketing department for this organization did a bad job with this event plain and simple. They got rewarded with having the event here, and then put zero thought into how to host it. And telling me as a consolation to come to the same half ass fan fest they have before every game is a embarrassing.


Not to nit pick but they can't sell standing room only tix due to a law in jersey.
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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:51 PM

Not to nit pick but they can't sell standing room only tix due to a law in jersey.

Fair enough, i didn't realize there was a law in place for that, do you know why that is? 


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:55 PM

Fair enough, i didn't realize there was a law in place for that, do you know why that is?

no clue why just know they can't due to new jersey law.
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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:29 PM

I'm actually pretty shocked at the amount of interest in the Draft this year. Last year I can't tell you how many times I recieved emails from the Penguins offering free tickets for the draft. I was on the email list since I had bought tickets for a Devils at Pens game during a previous season.

 

The rep at the STH relocation event said the Devils have 11k STH's approxiamtely for the upcoming season so assuming the average account has three seats that's 3,666 accounts. I doubt every account submitted for draft tickets because that would equal to over 14K worth of seats if you gave every account holder four tickets. I wonder what the percentage of account holders actually put in a request for the draft and how many will actually show up.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:39 PM

Just paid some dude 50 bucks on hfboards for a pair. Hope they're legit. You can bet your ass I'll be there at 1230

When you download the PDF are they from ticketmaster?

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:03 PM

Just paid some dude 50 bucks on hfboards for a pair. Hope they're legit. You can bet your ass I'll be there at 1230

When you download the PDF are they from ticketmaster?

 

Yes.  They looked the same as any game ticket from last year.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:15 PM

I'm actually pretty shocked at the amount of interest in the Draft this year. Last year I can't tell you how many times I recieved emails from the Penguins offering free tickets for the draft. I was on the email list since I had bought tickets for a Devils at Pens game during a previous season.

 

The rep at the STH relocation event said the Devils have 11k STH's approxiamtely for the upcoming season so assuming the average account has three seats that's 3,666 accounts. I doubt every account submitted for draft tickets because that would equal to over 14K worth of seats if you gave every account holder four tickets. I wonder what the percentage of account holders actually put in a request for the draft and how many will actually show up.

 

Penguins fans have no interest in a draft where they're not picking 1st or 2nd overall


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:16 PM

My childish comment is a fact so deal with it. Then there are the people on this board who post to cause problems or to complain, you are one of them.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:17 PM

I also cannot imagine attending a professional sports draft with standing room only tickets, or the person who would.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:23 PM

Don't apologize because you have a reasonable point of view. Comments # 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16 and 20 continue to pound into my mind that this website is 85% children and 15% knowledgeable realistic fans. When did i say season ticket holders shouldn't be allowed to the draft? Thank you for putting words in my mouth though.

Ask the STHs if they actually want their tickets to the draft, i'm sure a good amount of STHs don't care about going to the draft, especially on a weekend in the summer. Send every STH an email for a presale to the draft with a promo code to redeem their seats for free, and then, whats not taken, sell. All the STHs that want to go can go, and then fans have a fair chance at going. Also standing room only would be more than adequate. In 2 minutes i've come up with a more sensible way for everyone to be happy. If they did that and i didnt get tix, okay, it happens, but at least its better than filling out some contest entry.

The marketing department for this organization did a bad job with this event plain and simple. They got rewarded with having the event here, and then put zero thought into how to host it. And telling me as a consolation to come to the same half ass fan fest they have before every game is a embarrassing.

If you don't want to go to the fan fest, that's fine, don't go, doesn't mean that just because you don't like it others don't either, it's the organization adding a little extra something to the festivities. If you won the lottery, you're not complaining about anything right now, but since you lost you're being bitter and just nit picking on anything you can get your hands on.

Please, dazzle me with something that the organization could have done differently that's both legal and better for the fans, I can't think of anything, since you're so smart maybe you can.
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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:28 PM

If you don't want to go to the fan fest, that's fine, don't go, doesn't mean that just because you don't like it others don't either, it's the organization adding a little extra something to the festivities. If you won the lottery, you're not complaining about anything right now, but since you lost you're being bitter and just nit picking on anything you can get your hands on.

Please, dazzle me with something that the organization could have done differently that's both legal and better for the fans, I can't think of anything, since you're so smart maybe you can.

 

You should probably go read ghdi's or my ideas for better ways to do this we threw out a lot whether in this thread or the other. I'd still be complaining even if I got a ticket because this is a joke whether you see it or not 


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:36 PM

You should probably go read ghdi's or my ideas for better ways to do this we threw out a lot whether in this thread or the other. I'd still be complaining even if I got a ticket because this is a joke whether you see it or not

If you're referring to putting them on sale to the general public, it's a league rule that the hosting team can't create revenue based on Draft Ticket sales. A raffle gives everyone a fair shot and it isn't just a line up, first come-first serve type of thing.
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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:36 PM

You should probably go read ghdi's or my ideas for better ways to do this we threw out a lot whether in this thread or the other. I'd still be complaining even if I got a ticket because this is a joke whether you see it or not 

 

I don't think he was talking about the ticketing procedure in this respect or at least I didnt interpret it this way aside from his assumption that winners wouldnt care. I didnt win, but I am going. His negative reaction was about the fan fest if I'm not mistaken. I agree with him that the fan fest is a great idea b/c the idea of attending a draft with nothing else going on is going to make the event extremely dull for a lot of people. 

 

The reason for my posts was b/c I was reading a lot of "this is the best they could've done" when that is far from the case and there are ways that they could've catered to the STHs and provide even a little bit more accessibility for others who want to attend. I also disagree with Bart on the idea of standing room only which would not at all be a comfortable experience.

 

Edit: He answered. 


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