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#221 DH26

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 02:58 PM

For the sake of everyone involved, it will be a gradual process. They won't throw Schneider into an uncomfortable position, and they won't just put Marty on the bench. Schneider may well be the starter by the end of the season, but he won't be in October. Besides, the kid is eager to to earn his spot. Let him earn it.

 

Schneider probably already thinks he earned his chance though (and he's right). The highest SV% (min 100 games) over the last 3 years should earn you that over the team with arguably the wrost starting goalie in the league. If Schneider plays fewer than Marty, it would be ridiculous


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:00 PM

I hope the work load will be split 50/50 but with how often Marty been hurt the last couple of yrs I would not be surprised if Schneider plays over 50 something games


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:09 PM

One more from Lamoriello. Said he doesn't think team or Schneider are thinking he'll be in NJ for just two years (what's left on contract).

 

LL is confident Schneider will remain after his two years.Its good to see LL getting the job done!


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:12 PM

And you're probably right in that Marty will end up playing the majority. But, that's the problem. There's no reason Marty should be starting anymore. He isnt owed anything, nor is he entitled to start. He won his little cover vote, Lou even drafted his son out of respect. Hell, Marty's been starting games he shouldn't have been playing the past few years because of his legacy alone. We don't owe him anything else. He's 41 and should not be starting most games over an elite goalie. It's just silly.


You have a team of 23 people who look to Marty as the leader. If you unceremoniously dump Marty on the bench and hand the job to Schneider without him playing a few games, you risk animosity building. They already have a well respected player in Moose being shown the door. You have to let him come in and earn that spot from Marty. And Marty is owed the chance to defend his spot.

We all know Schneider is better at this point. That will become clearer as the season goes on.
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:17 PM

Schneider probably already thinks he earned his chance though (and he's right). The highest SV% (min 100 games) over the last 3 years should earn you that over the team with arguably the wrost starting goalie in the league. If Schneider plays fewer than Marty, it would be ridiculous

 

I'm guessing when they come out of preseason, Schneider and Brodeur are either coming out on equal footing, or Marty will be slightly ahead (due to his time here more than anything else).

 

Over the first 15-20 games, it won't surprise me if Marty gets a little more of the starts, but I don't think he gets much of a leash beyond that.  If he's around his aggregate .905 save% of the last three years and not looking good, and Schneider is around .925 or so and is playing as well as we all hope he can, Schneider will get more of the starts very quickly.  I don't think the Devils will fvck around with this one...they will do their best to be respectful to Marty and will give him a shot to get a slight majority of the playing time, but if he shows that he's not up to it, he's starting no more than 30 games or so.  The Devils will have their share of "now" guys on the team that can't afford to see an all-time declining great get victory tour starts at their expense. 

 

DD56's post pretty much says it all...anyone who thinks the Devils will just plunk Marty on the back-up pine with zero transition clearly doesn't realize how these things need to be handled, for everyone involved. 


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:24 PM

 

One more from Lamoriello. Said he doesn't think team or Schneider are thinking he'll be in NJ for just two years (what's left on contract).

 

LL is confident Schneider will remain after his two years.Its good to see LL getting the job done!

 

and Schneider quoted as saying the same.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:24 PM

There won't be 0 transition, but if Brodeur is weak out of the blocks once again, I don't think there will be much hesitation.  It's an Olympic year so there will probably be a ton of back to backs - basically neither guy should start both of those.

 

And yeah, I could see NJ offering Schneider an 8 year deal if this is a good season for him.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:28 PM

There won't be 0 transition, but if Brodeur is weak out of the blocks once again, I don't think there will be much hesitation.  It's an Olympic year so there will probably be a ton of back to backs - basically neither guy should start both of those.

 

And yeah, I could see NJ offering Schneider an 8 year deal if this is a good season for him.

 

I think everyone agrees on this.  If Marty's first six or seven games see him stopping 87%-88% of the shots coming his way, I think the transition begins right then.

 

And yeah, good year for Schneider and him being happy in NJ = 8 year deal, more than likely. 


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:31 PM

I have no problem w/ a 50/50 split this year, But Marty has to be on his retirement tour, I donot want him back for anothe 2 years after this, he was quoted as saying he's not sure if this is it or not...


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:37 PM

I'm okay with this year being 50-50, with the understanding that this is the last year that Marty can sniff #1A/B duty.

 

If he wants to keep playing as a backup (assuming he's capable), then hang onto him for a year or two more until one of the prospects are ready to go.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:44 PM

The highest SV% (min 100 games) over the last 3 years should earn you that over the team with arguably the wrost starting goalie in the league. If Schneider plays fewer than Marty, it would be ridiculous

 

Schneider only gets over 100 games career by adding in his playoff appearances. Regular season only he hasn't played 100 NHL games yet.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:50 PM

I have no problem w/ a 50/50 split this year, But Marty has to be on his retirement tour, I donot want him back for anothe 2 years after this, he was quoted as saying he's not sure if this is it or not...

 

The Devils have already done their part in being fair to him...they gave him the 2-year, over-value deal.  They're still calling him the #1 guy.  If Marty performs to the overall level of the three seasons, and insists that he's still got something left, as awkward as it will be for everyone involved, the Devils will have to let him go.  The last thing a franchise should ever do is Mark Messier themselves into a corner and let a player start dictating to them what he's going to do.  I've said it before, I really don't think Marty will do this to them, so I really don't think it will come to this.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:52 PM

The Devils have already done their part in being fair to him...they gave him the 2-year, over-value deal.  They're still calling him the #1 guy.  If Marty performs to the overall level of the three seasons, and insists that he's still got something left, as awkward as it will be for everyone involved, the Devils will have to let him go.  The last thing a franchise should ever do is Mark Messier themselves into a corner and let a player start dictating to them what he's going to do.  I've said it before, I really don't think Marty will do this to them, so I really don't think it will come to this.

 

I mean, the Devils could keep him on past next season, but at backup money, and as the backup only.  If he wants to play 20 games at $1.5M, great, but if he wants more playing time or more money it will have to be elsewhere.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:59 PM

I mean, the Devils could keep him on past next season, but at backup money, and as the backup only.  If he wants to play 20 games at $1.5M, great, but if he wants more playing time or more money it will have to be elsewhere.

 

Seems weird that he'd want to go out that way, but it's his legacy.  I wouldn't object to 20 or so games at backup money either...just can't picture that.  And how effective should a 42-year-old with the most miles ever for an NHL goalie be expected to be?  Can't say I'd be terribly enthusiastic about watching Marty limp his way towards 700 wins, to the tune of a 7-10-2 backup record or something like that. 


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:15 PM

Seems weird that he'd want to go out that way, but it's his legacy.  I wouldn't object to 20 or so games at backup money either...just can't picture that.  And how effective should a 42-year-old with the most miles ever for an NHL goalie be expected to be?  Can't say I'd be terribly enthusiastic about watching Marty limp his way towards 700 wins, to the tune of a 7-10-2 backup record or something like that. 

 

I think fans think too much about 'how a player goes out' - it's his life, and if he wants to continue playing NHL hockey (at least for the Devils), that's how he's going to have to do it.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:20 PM

So has anyone here purchased any Schneider gear yet?


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:23 PM

I think fans think too much about 'how a player goes out' - it's his life, and if he wants to continue playing NHL hockey (at least for the Devils), that's how he's going to have to do it.

 

yeah i think the same thing. I understand the point but think of it that way. If he sign as a backup for 1.5 or 2m a year as a backup and leadership in the locker room. Less stress for him and well... it's stil 1.5 or 2 million... thats a fvcking lot of money and considering his ex wife is grabbing a good chunk of it for another like 5 years or wtv. at the end of the day his best way to make money is to be playing in the NHL and not being a broadcaster lol


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:25 PM

So has anyone here purchased any Schneider gear yet?

I am going to make sure he will be #35 before I get his jersey, you never know with Lou and his numbers lol even though 35 should be fine.

 

EDIT: I could actually see him wearing #1 if Moose is gone.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:45 PM

Please not #31  :pray:


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:46 PM

I didn't realize this, but Schneider won 2 Lamoriello Trophies with Boston when they won the Hockey East Title. That's kinda cool.


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