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Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:04 AM

Yep, Marty's 4.5 million will be gone by then. 

And other players contracts like tallinder, Fayne etc. There will definetely be space, space will not be the issue.

I really believe Schneider will be back after his 2 years to be the number 1 goalie for years to come.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:40 AM

Great trade. We picked up an elite goaltender for a draft pick, albeit the no. 9 pick.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 05:44 AM

It’s an interesting move, I was hoping that we would somehow trade back in to the first round but I guess we didn’t have the pieces.

 

I really like Corey Schneider, and have wanted him on the Devils for a long time as the successor to Marty, but at the same time it was disappointing to pass over some talented players at forward.

 

The deal does solve a problem for the here and now though, and it was a frightening prospect heading into next season with Marty and Moose both back there, neither of them is capable of holding down the workload that would be required.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 06:37 AM

i dont have too many Vancouver fans on my facebook but the few i had were freaking out lol they are all jumping off bridges


The amount of freaking out I've seen amongst Vancouver fans makes me consider this trade a ridiculous success for the Devils. You have people saying the Devils are their new team. People saying this is the worst trade in Canuck history rivaling the Neely trade, etc... Lou won yesterday.
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 06:58 AM

The amount of freaking out I've seen amongst Vancouver fans makes me consider this trade a ridiculous success for the Devils. You have people saying the Devils are their new team. People saying this is the worst trade in Canuck history rivaling the Neely trade, etc... Lou won yesterday.

 

Don't know if you saw Gillis' comments after Lou made his, but Gillis' GM-speak basically came off as "Don't kill me, I know everyone is going to say I should've been able to get more..."

 

And Lou came off about as giddy as someone like Lou is capable of. 

 

And yeah, Vancouver fans are FURIOUS about this.  Some of them are starting to try to see the bright side, and are backing away from the ledge, but in general they are PISSED about this, and are really roasting Gillis. 

 

Not that it's our problem, but I just wonder how the Canucks get Luongo's head back in the game, because that pretty much has to happen now.  And what do the Canuck fans do?  Do they boo him at the home opener, just because?


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:09 AM

Can't boo a guy like Luongo.

 

The problem to me with what the Canucks did is that they're a win-now team - the Sedins aren't going to be young again, Kesler's body won't hold up for much longer, Luongo's likely on the decline, etc.  If they shipped #9 elsewhere for young players that could help now, that might make some sense.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:21 AM

Can't boo a guy like Luongo.

The problem to me with what the Canucks did is that they're a win-now team - the Sedins aren't going to be young again, Kesler's body won't hold up for much longer, Luongo's likely on the decline, etc. If they shipped #9 elsewhere for young players that could help now, that might make some sense.


The problem is the lack of cap space and that ownership did not want to buy out Luongo. I don't know what kind of cheap impact roster players you could get for pick 9.

I think the thing that Canucks fans are most pissd about is that the team prints money, but ownership was too cheap to bite the bullet and buy out Luongo, but keep the better goalie. That and Gilles majorly screwed up at last years draft.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:29 AM

Can't boo a guy like Luongo.

 

The problem to me with what the Canucks did is that they're a win-now team - the Sedins aren't going to be young again, Kesler's body won't hold up for much longer, Luongo's likely on the decline, etc.  If they shipped #9 elsewhere for young players that could help now, that might make some sense.

 

It clearly wouldn't do them any good to boo him...just hard to tell who the fans will direct their anger towards...it's clearly been dysfunctional lately, but Vancouver, Luongo, and everyone involved are going to have to find a way to make this work, especially since, like you noted, the Canucks are very much a win-now team.   


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:35 AM

Can't boo a guy like Luongo.


Yeah because it sounds like Luuuuuuu
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:39 AM

I think the thing that Canucks fans are most pissd about is that the team prints money, but ownership was too cheap to bite the bullet and buy out Luongo, but keep the better goalie.

 

I'm very pleased with this deal, but I'm not certain we got the better of Vancouver's goalies.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:41 AM

Well put. I also think Vancouver did pretty damn well. Horvat, Shinkaruk, Cassels, and Subban.


They got all the steals at the draft, all the kids who went a few (or a lot of) picks back than maybe they should have one, nice picks by Vancouver..
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:41 AM

Yeah because it sounds like Luuuuuuu

 

Haha yeah this was my point, was hoping someone would pick up on it.

 

Trades of high draft picks are stunning from both sides, no one in Vancouver expected this, nor anyone in New Jersey, and I imagine each would react badly to it at first.  I know I was shocked and I was watching the draft on DVR.  

 

re:  Schneider not being the best goalie - maybe not, but he's much younger and he's really never had a bad season at any level.  Throw in that his contract isn't a nightmare and he's the guy I'd rather have.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:04 AM

Haha yeah this was my point, was hoping someone would pick up on it.

 

Trades of high draft picks are stunning from both sides, no one in Vancouver expected this, nor anyone in New Jersey, and I imagine each would react badly to it at first.  I know I was shocked and I was watching the draft on DVR.  

 

re:  Schneider not being the best goalie - maybe not, but he's much younger and he's really never had a bad season at any level.  Throw in that his contract isn't a nightmare and he's the guy I'd rather have.

 

I was more stunned than anything else for the first few seconds, then quickly went into "Makes sense" mode.  Maybe it's not as sexy as drafting a potential scorer, but the Devils clearly have multiple holes to fill, and I thought Lou filled this one (which let's face it, was looking like a HUGE one) as well as could possibly be expected.  I don't know if Schneider is an exclamation point yet, but he's much much MUCH less of a question mark than everything else the Devils currently have.   

 

What makes this great is that it's potentially a set-in-stone guy for 7-8 years, maybe even a little longer (barring injury of course)...up until this deal was made, it looked like the Devils could become the Flyers in goal for the next few...bodies in, bodies out, bring in stop-gap types, hope one of the "maybe" kids gets it done for a while...


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:08 AM

Before the Bryzgalov debacle, the Flyers' goaltending really wasn't that bad.  A revolving door, sure, but the team made the playoffs almost every year.  I would be more than fine with that as long as the guys they were getting were decent.  There's still large risk associated with this deal - Schneider's going to need to be signed to a big contract if he's as good as he seems.  


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:14 AM

Schneider is probably smart.  Probably? ... he IS smart.  He's smarter than Luongo by miles.  He's proven he can shake off over-thinking too.  That is the biggest danger though, over-thinking.  I think having Marty will really help - he's got a lot of challenges but it's got to be really exciting for him.  I'd be SOOO excited if I was him - I'd want to go right into practice!  I'd have such that glow - that unrealistic feeling - like "I got it"  like every five minutes it would be re-dawning on me.  I hope he's feeling that.  It's so damm FUN!  I hope it's a great way to start his Summer - like reliving your draft even - but selected 9th the second time around.  :wub:  So much to do... think about moving. Being closer to home.  Bummed about leaving too a little. 

 

<_<  I was going to delete all that, but this is honestly how bad it is for me stepping into other peoples shoes.  it's like a horrible habit.  I go through life this way.  Can you even believe someone suggested I do it? :giggle:

 

ANYHOW - I am very deeply colored by the Vancouver fan here.  My bud was suicidal before the Torts hire.  Then after Fonzy was brought on board he just became bemused at the absurdity of it. (He was sure Gillis would HAVE to be gone after the past season).  Now... well  he hasn't replied to any of me emails.  I'm just glad football season started to take his mind off the Canuck debacle.

 

HEY -- I wrote debacle before I even saw Tri's post.  Just sayin'... :giggle:


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:34 AM

Dont know if its been convered yet, what number will he wear?


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:35 AM

35 I'd assume.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:45 AM

AND since I'm holding forth after weeks of relative silence. 

 

I'm most worried about Patty not coming back.  When I see his reactions during games and I put myself in his shoes (one day I'll let that die) I'd be mighty sick of not getting to play hockey - the hockey I know and love.  It's no the system killing patty -- it's the total lack of defence and goal.  He can't just relax and push forward without our sh!tty D looming over his head.

 

If I'm him I am just hoping a REAL team wants me in my dotage.  I do see there isn't much better out there that's really viable.  but I'd be really sick of this crap.  If I were Patty I'd want one more Cup and be kind of grumpy at the thought that it was already my turn - it's someone else's now.  Horsefeathers - now is the time and it IS his turn - like a dano or a Stevens he wants one more taste when he knows what he's got and he can sit his kid in the cup.  I mean -- when you win it twice you DO kind of think it's your right :evil:  But that's just gravey really -- mosty I think he wants to play and to teach kids how to be real forwards not just keep their mind continually on the backcheck.

 

Getting Schneider offers a real glimmer of hope for our vets.  It tells me Lou isn't out of touch, his mind is in the present, not down the line after Patty's been put out to pasture.

 

So I dont think it's the money that's the signal for his value.  It's the support he needs to really enjoy his twilight years on ice. He's a scoring forward who sacrifices a LOT personally to keep this team in the hunt.  He needs to be shown that THAT is appreciated and that the team will do mroe than it's best to give him the chance to play the game he loves, you know?  And this says that to him.  This is one of the best ways Lou can prove his appreciation for all that Patty brings - that he wants the joy of hockey for his players as much as the winning for the organization.  He's NOT at all out of touch, his hands are just really tied the majority of the time.

 

I just hope Patty sees it that way.  Mostly though - I hope Patty DOES get to play his own game again.  I'd understand if he left.  and I'd feel like a big fat loser of a team - but life goes on!!


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:45 AM

 

Maybe Schneider can't score goals, but he can sure stop them, and a whole lot better than the guys who tried to do that last season.  And he's in his prime to boot.  Hopefully, it will be Marty playing 30-35 games or so (tops) and playing well enough that he can exit the game cleanly and gracefully. 

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:51 AM

I wonder if Vancouver wasn't up against the cap if they would of taken Volchenkov or Tallinder off of our hands.


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