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#421 Devil Dan 56

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 02:19 PM

I know guys don't pay attention to stats.  Players spend more time on the bench than they do on the ice, and they see him giving up the weak goals.  

 

The problem is that Brodeur has gotten incredibly lucky and Schneider incredibly unlucky.  Brodeur has absolutely cost them points, even if it does not look like it from his record.

 

As for Anthony Brodeur, I should've been more precise - people are sweating him like they would a player who has a great chance at the NHL.

 

You can call it luck, but your statement was starting Brodeur earlier in the season cost them points, yet in reality Brodeur averaged just slightly more points in his games. I'm not saying he's the better goalie, because he clearly is not. Cory is leaps and bounds better, and it's showing more than ever right now.

 

I definitely agree that from here on out Marty starting over Schneider is a risk of losing points. Absolutely. I was just pointing out that to claim Marty cost them in the past is inaccurate, as neither goalie was bringing in many points in the standings. If Cory continues playing how he is now, getting 3 of every 4 starts going forward, and the offense can be somewhat effective, they should end up in the playoffs.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 02:33 PM

Off the top of my head, the early season Edmonton debacle (blowing a 3-0 lead) cost them 1 point and then gagging it up against Columbus another 1-2 points

 

I would probably add the Isles game at the beginning of the year where he cost 1 point (SO loss that probably shouldn't have gotten that far).

 

You could argue that he gained points in the 2-1 win over Tampa on 10/29 and the Pittsburgh game on New Years Eve. 

 

Right now, his save percentage is .905 and the league average is something like .914.  I don't know what the average is for goalies generally considered to be back-ups.  I get it that you have to compare what Marty is doing versus Schneider.  Still, Marty hasn't been a disaster to this point, although it might be the case if he's getting anymore than 30 percent of the starts from here on out. 


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:11 PM

You can call it luck, but your statement was starting Brodeur earlier in the season cost them points, yet in reality Brodeur averaged just slightly more points in his games. I'm not saying he's the better goalie, because he clearly is not. Cory is leaps and bounds better, and it's showing more than ever right now.

 

I definitely agree that from here on out Marty starting over Schneider is a risk of losing points. Absolutely. I was just pointing out that to claim Marty cost them in the past is inaccurate, as neither goalie was bringing in many points in the standings. If Cory continues playing how he is now, getting 3 of every 4 starts going forward, and the offense can be somewhat effective, they should end up in the playoffs.

 

I can call it luck because it is luck.  There is absolutely no way that Martin Brodeur is responsible for his team scoring way more goals when he is net.  'From here on out' - no, that was true the minute Schneider got here.  You can count up games like Daniel is doing or just realize that a guy who gives up more goals is going to cost you games, regardless of how many more goals the team happens to score when he's in net.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 04:29 PM

I can call it luck because it is luck.  There is absolutely no way that Martin Brodeur is responsible for his team scoring way more goals when he is net.  'From here on out' - no, that was true the minute Schneider got here.  You can count up games like Daniel is doing or just realize that a guy who gives up more goals is going to cost you games, regardless of how many more goals the team happens to score when he's in net.

 

I didn't say he was responsible for scoring or anything else. You said he cost them points, and I pointed out that the 2 of them were responsible for a nearly identical amount of points in the standings per game, with Marty averaging just slightly more.

 

The problem with looking at games on a purely statistical basis is that sometimes things happen that don't make sense statistically, like this situation. Theoretically, Cory should have been responsible for more points. Yet, in reality, he had less. It doesn't mean Marty is better, because he isn't, but it does mean we can't say one player cost the team points when he produced more than the other player did.

What really cost the team points was a rough start team-wide and an offense that still can't hit the broad side of a barn more often than not, plus leaving all of those shootout points on the board. Although, maybe that St Louis beating builds some confidence.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:54 PM

I didn't say he was responsible for scoring or anything else. You said he cost them points, and I pointed out that the 2 of them were responsible for a nearly identical amount of points in the standings per game, with Marty averaging just slightly more.

 

The problem with looking at games on a purely statistical basis is that sometimes things happen that don't make sense statistically, like this situation. Theoretically, Cory should have been responsible for more points. Yet, in reality, he had less. It doesn't mean Marty is better, because he isn't, but it does mean we can't say one player cost the team points when he produced more than the other player did.

What really cost the team points was a rough start team-wide and an offense that still can't hit the broad side of a barn more often than not, plus leaving all of those shootout points on the board. Although, maybe that St Louis beating builds some confidence.

 

He did cost them points.  That's what you're not getting.  It wasn't like NJ was winning 2-1 and losing 8-1 when Brodeur was in net, so that the additional goals didn't matter.  Given the number of goals Brodeur got as goal support, the Devils should have more wins.  They don't because of Brodeur.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:14 PM

He did cost them points.  That's what you're not getting.  It wasn't like NJ was winning 2-1 and losing 8-1 when Brodeur was in net, so that the additional goals didn't matter.  Given the number of goals Brodeur got as goal support, the Devils should have more wins.  They don't because of Brodeur.

 

And yet he still played well enough to average more points than Cory, who we both know has been the better goalie for a long time. What statistically SHOULD have happened is not what actually occurred. 

 

You're taking an entire team's ineptitude, and laying it at the feet of a goalie who played just over half the games and won more than he lost. The Devils would also have more wins if they scored on more than one of the twenty-something shootout attempts they made. The fact of the matter is, if the Devils miss the playoffs it won't be the fault of one guy. 


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:24 PM

And yet he still played well enough to average more points than Cory, who we both know has been the better goalie for a long time. What statistically SHOULD have happened is not what actually occurred. 

 

You're taking an entire team's ineptitude, and laying it at the feet of a goalie who played just over half the games and won more than he lost. The Devils would also have more wins if they scored on more than one of the twenty-something shootout attempts they made. The fact of the matter is, if the Devils miss the playoffs it won't be the fault of one guy. 

 

No, I'm not.  You're not understanding.  Throw out the team with Schneider.  Now look at the team with just Brodeur.  The team that scores 3 goals a game.  The team that still doesn't win considerably more than 50% because of the goaltender.  Meanwhile Schneider wins more than he should because he is excellent despite the offensive ineptitude.  Brodeur has nothing to do with the team scoring lots of goals and yet you seem to think he does because you keep bringing up wins.  It doesn't matter how many games they won or lost.  It matters how many goals each guy gives up and Brodeur gives up more per game and more per shot on goal against.  He's a worse goalie.  He'd be a worse goalie if the Devils won all of their games with him in net or none.  He was a worse goalie to begin the year and he's a worse goalie now.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:02 AM

No, I'm not.  You're not understanding.  Throw out the team with Schneider.  Now look at the team with just Brodeur.  The team that scores 3 goals a game.  The team that still doesn't win considerably more than 50% because of the goaltender.  Meanwhile Schneider wins more than he should because he is excellent despite the offensive ineptitude.  Brodeur has nothing to do with the team scoring lots of goals and yet you seem to think he does because you keep bringing up wins.  It doesn't matter how many games they won or lost.  It matters how many goals each guy gives up and Brodeur gives up more per game and more per shot on goal against.  He's a worse goalie.  He'd be a worse goalie if the Devils won all of their games with him in net or none.  He was a worse goalie to begin the year and he's a worse goalie now.

 

Thats a very, very good argument about Brodeur being a worse goalie. I mean, I never said Marty was better or anything, but still. YOU said he cost the Devils points, and I pointed out, once again, that they got more points in his games then Schneider's. I never said he was better and I don't know why you keep claiming I did. I just said they happened to get more with him and that the argument that he would be the sole reason the Devils miss the playoffs wasn't very accurate. It's just scapegoating a lot of problems onto one guy. And then you turned into some whole other argument. 


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:18 AM

Thats a very, very good argument about Brodeur being a worse goalie. I mean, I never said Marty was better or anything, but still. YOU said he cost the Devils points, and I pointed out, once again, that they got more points in his games then Schneider's. I never said he was better and I don't know why you keep claiming I did. I just said they happened to get more with him and that the argument that he would be the sole reason the Devils miss the playoffs wasn't very accurate. It's just scapegoating a lot of problems onto one guy. And then you turned into some whole other argument. 

 

It's like I'm talking to a brick wall that has the ability to write, somehow.  HE COST THE DEVILS POINTS.  IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY GOT MORE POINTS WITH HIM, HE COST THEM POINTS BECAUSE THE TEAM SCORES WAY WAY MORE WHEN HE IS NET, WHICH IS LUCK AND NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT HE IS DOING.  THE POINTS HE COST THE TEAM ARE BECAUSE HE STILL PLAYS WORSE THAN SCHNEIDER


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:11 AM

It's like I'm talking to a brick wall that has the ability to write, somehow.  HE COST THE DEVILS POINTS.  IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY GOT MORE POINTS WITH HIM, HE COST THEM POINTS BECAUSE THE TEAM SCORES WAY WAY MORE WHEN HE IS NET, WHICH IS LUCK AND NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT HE IS DOING.  THE POINTS HE COST THE TEAM ARE BECAUSE HE STILL PLAYS WORSE THAN SCHNEIDER

 

This is the prospect thread, so I'm going to let it go. But I will point out again, if you're done with your little hissy fit, that I always said Cory was better, and that the team was still gaining points in spite of Marty's play. That's it. The whole 'who is better' or 'why they are scoring for one guy' thing is all from you. Sometimes people will disagree with you. There's really no reason to flip out over it. 


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 02:36 AM

It's like I'm talking to a brick wall that has the ability to write, somehow.  HE COST THE DEVILS POINTS.  IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY GOT MORE POINTS WITH HIM, HE COST THEM POINTS BECAUSE THE TEAM SCORES WAY WAY MORE WHEN HE IS NET, WHICH IS LUCK AND NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT HE IS DOING.  THE POINTS HE COST THE TEAM ARE BECAUSE HE STILL PLAYS WORSE THAN SCHNEIDER

 

Every marty apologist is that dense, it is like talking to a brick wall.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 05:18 AM

Friday 1/24
OHL
Windsor defeated Sault Ste. Marie 5-2
Ben Johnson LW: Goal, E* 1st Star

-- 1st goal after a 6 game drought.

WHL
Swift Current lost to Prince Albert 3-2 (SO)
Graham Black C: Goal, Assist, +2, Stopped in SO

Kelowna defeated Medicine Hat 6-2
Damon Severson D: Assist, +3
Myles Bell RW: Goal, Assist, +1

NCAA
Wisconsin defeated Ohio State 5-3
Joe Faust D: Goal, +2, 2 PIM (Slashing), 1 Shot
Curtis Gedig D: DNP (Injured)

North Dakota defeated Denver 4-2
Derek Rodwell RW: E, 2 PIM (Slashing), 2 Shots

Miami lost to Colorado College 4-1
Blake Coleman C: DNP (Collarbone Injury)

Michigan Tech defeated Ferris State 3-2
Blake Pietila LW: 3 Assists (1 PP), +1, 4 PIM (Slashing, Hooking), 2 Shots, 14/17 Faceoffs

Harvard lost to Union 4-3
Alex Kerfoot C: Goal, -1, 1 Shot, 4/4 Faceoffs


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Posted 26 January 2014 - 12:43 AM

Saturday 1/25
KHL
Dinamo Minsk lost to Atlant Moscow Oblast 7-1
Artur Gavrus F: DNP (Fever)

QMJHL
Gatineau lost to Blainville-Boisbriand 3-2 (SO)
Anthony Brodeur G: DNP

OHL
North Bay vs. Barrie - Postponed (Weather)
Ben Thomson LW: DNP

WHL
Swift Current lost to Saskatoon 3-2 (OT)
Graham Black C: Assist, E

-- 2 goals, 4 assists in last 4 games.

Kelowna defeated Lethbridge 5-0
Damon Severson D: +2
Myles Bell RW: Goal, Assist, +2, 2 PIM (Holding)* 3rd Star

-- Bell has 2 goals, 2 assists in his last 2 games.

NCAA
Wisconsin lost to Ohio State 3-1
Joe Faust D: -2, 2 Blocks
Curtis Gedig D: DNP (Injured)

North Dakota lost to Denver 3-0
Derek Rodwell RW: -1, 2 PIM (Roughing), 2 Shots

Miami defeated Colorado College 6-1
Blake Coleman C: DNP (Collarbone Injury)

Michigan Tech lost to Ferris State 3-0
Blake Pietila F: E, 2 PIM (Elbowing), 3 Shots, 16/24 Faceoffs

Boston College defeated Penn State 3-2
Steve Santini D: +1, 6 Blocks


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Posted 26 January 2014 - 11:00 PM

Sunday 1/26
QMJHL
Gatineau defeated Shawinigan 4-3
Anthony Brodeur G: DNP
Season: 23 GP 10-11-0, 3.06 GAA, .885 SV%, 1 SO

OHL
Windsor defeated Sarnia 8-7 (SO)
Ben Johnson LW: 2 Assists, +1
Season: 39 GP 18-13-31, +14, 18 PIM

North Bay defeated Peterborough 3-1
Ben Thomson LW: +1
Season: 35 GP 15-11-26, +6, 66 PIM

Kingston defeated Belleville 6-1
Ryan Kujawinski C: DNP (Injured)
Season: 35 GP 16-13-29, E, 27 PIM

-- Kujawinski didn't practice after taking a tumble into the boards in his last game. I feel like this is at least the 4th or 5th blowout Kingston has had without him in the line up.

WHL
Kelowna lost to Seattle 4-1
Damon Severson D: -1
Season: 42 GP 11-27-38, +29, 30 PIM

Myles Bell RW: E
Season: 47 GP 29-23-52, +21, 38 PIM


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Posted 30 January 2014 - 01:02 AM

Monday 1/27
KHL
Dinamo Minsk lost to SKA St. Petersburg 3-2
Artur Gavrus F: DNP (Sick?)

Wednesday 1/29
KHL
Dinamo Minsk defeated Lokomotiv Yaroslavl 3-1
Artur Gavrus: DNP (Sick?)
Season: 28 GP 1-2-3, -9, 8 PIM, 2.9 SH%, 1.2 SH/GP, 45.5 FO%, 11:38 ATOI

-- Due to the Olympic break, Dinamo Minsk doesn't play again until 2/26. I guess Gavrus will play for Dinamo-Shinnik in the MHL during that time or stay with Minsk for training and exhibitions.

QMJHL
Gatineau defeated Acadie-Bathurst 6-2
Anthony Brodeur G: DNP
Season: 23 GP 10-11-0, 3.06 GAA, .885 SV%, 1 SO

WHL
Kelowna lost to Spokane 6-5 (SO)
Damon Severson D: Goal, 2 Assists (1 PP), +1, Stopped in SO* 2nd Star
Season: 43 GP 12-29-41, +30, 30 PIM

Myles Bell RW: E, Stopped in SO
Season: 48 GP 29-23-52, +21, 38 PIM


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Posted 30 January 2014 - 10:22 PM

Thursday 1/30
OHL
Windsor defeated Kingston 4-0
Ben Johnson LW: 2 Assists, +2, 2 PIM (Holding the Stick)
Season: 40 GP 18-15-33, +16, 20 PIM

-- Johnson has a goal and 4 assists in his last 3 games.

Ryan Kujawinski C: DNP (Wrist)
Season: 35 GP 16-13-29, E, 27 PIM

North Bay lost to London 9-4
Ben Thomson LW: 2 Goals, -1* 3rd Star
Season: 36 GP 17-11-28, +5, 66 PIM

Gavrus Update: During the KHL Olympic break, Gavrus will be playing for Belarus in the Euro Ice Hockey Challenge in Poland. Training camp opens February 1st. (Credit to In Lou We Trust for finding this)

Program Note: Wisconsin (Faust) vs. Michigan tomorrow night at 6:30 on Big Ten Network.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 12:40 AM

Friday 1/31
QMJHL
Gatineau lost to Drummondville 6-5 (SO)
Anthony Brodeur G: DNP

OHL
North Bay defeated Oshawa 5-1
Ben Thomson LW: Goal (PP), Assist, +1* 1st Star

-- Thomson has a 7 game point streak: 8 goals, 3 assists. For January he has 10 goals, 5 assists in 12 games.

Kingston defeated Plymouth 3-2
Ryan Kujawinski C: DNP (Wrist)

WHL
Swift Current defeated Medicine Hat 4-3
Graham Black C: 3 Goals, +3* 1st Star

-- Black has a 5 game point streak: 5 goals, 4 assists. Finishes January with 9 goals, 8 assists in 12 games.

Kelowna defeated Kamloops 4-2
Damon Severson D: E
Myles Bell RW: 2 Goals (1 PP), Assist (PP), E

-- Bell has 31 goals in 49 games.

NCAA
Wisconsin lost to Michigan 3-1
Joe Faust D: -2, 2 Shots, 2 Blocks

-- Got worked over by Hyman (Michigan) on top of the crease for Michigan's 3rd goal. With the defensive depth in the organization, I can't see Faust getting a contract of any sort with the Devils organization. Hasn't progressed in 4 years at school.

Ohio State defeated Penn State 5-1
Curtis Gedig D: DNP (Injured)

Michigan Tech defeated Bowling Green 5-2
Blake Pietila F: Assist, +1, 2 PIM (Roughing), 2 Shots, 8/14 Faceoffs

Boston College defeated Providence 2-0
Steve Santini D: Assist, +1, 1 Block

Harvard defeated Princeton 3-2
Alex Kerfoot F: Goal, +1, 5 Shots, 2/2 Faceoffs* 2nd Star

-- Kerfoot has 2 goals and an assist in his last 3 games. 6 goals and 5 assists in 17 games this season.

 

Program Note: Wisconsin (Faust) vs. Michigan Saturday night at 6:30 on NBCSN.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 12:51 PM

Graham Black - 26 goals 1.38 PPG

Myles Bell - 31 goals 1.12 PPG

NB Ben Thomson - 15 goals, 1 PPG

 

All three should be signed and give Albany some depth next year.


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Posted 02 February 2014 - 12:25 AM

Saturday 2/1
OHL
Windsor defeated Guelph 3-1
Ben Johnson LW: Goal, +1* 2nd Star

-- Johnson has 2 goals, 4 assists in his last 4 games.

Kingston lost to Saginaw 4-2
Ryan Kujawinski C: DNP (Wrist)

WHL
Swift Current lost to Prince George 6-2
Graham Black C: -2

Kelowna defeated Kamloops 7-3
Damon Severson D: Assist, E
Myles Bell RW: 4 Goals (1 PP), 2 Assists (1 PP), +3* 1st Star

-- Bell has 35 goals in 50 games this season after having 38 goals in 69 games last season. Bell has 6 goals and 3 assists in his last 2 games.

NCAA
Wisconsin tied Michigan 2-2
Joe Faust D: Assist, +1, 1 Block

Ohio State defeated Penn State 5-2
Curtis Gedig D: DNP (Injured)

Michigan Tech defeated Bowling Green 5-4 (OT)
Blake Pietila F: Goal (PP, GWG), Assist (PP), E, 4 Shots, 9/17 Faceoffs* 3rd Star

-- Pietila has a goal, 5 assists in his last 4 games.


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Posted 02 February 2014 - 12:51 AM

What a game for Bell.
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Your unconditional rejection of violence makes you smugly think of yourselves as noble, as enlightened, but in reality it is nothing less than abject moral capitulation to evil. Unconditional rejection of self-defense, because you think its a supposed surrender to violence, leaves you no resort but begging for mercy or offering appeasement.

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-Anonymous

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