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#541 thefiestygoat

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:30 PM

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:33 PM

Now that the Devils have a first-round pick, I have seen a lot of mock drafts predict that the Devils select a player by the name of Anthony DeAngelo. Any of the prospect guys know if this is a valid possibility and/or who this guy is?


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 12:12 AM

Now that the Devils have a first-round pick, I have seen a lot of mock drafts predict that the Devils select a player by the name of Anthony DeAngelo. Any of the prospect guys know if this is a valid possibility and/or who this guy is?

I hope not. DeAngelo is a Jersey kid but is a small (5'11, 167) offensive defenseman who struggles defensively and has been suspended twice this season for violating the OHL's harassment, abuse, and diversity policy. He was one of the last cuts from team USA for the WJC this year.

Even without the off the ice issues, the Devils have a ton of depth and quality at D and they don't need a kid that can't play in his own end.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 12:43 AM

Haha, mock drafts.  

 

As for goalie, even though Kinkaid hasn't had a great year in the AHL he's doing okay and I'd be okay with him on the big team next year.  If they need a guy at the deadline they can deal for a backup goaltender but other than that, I'd like to see Wedgewood in the A with another goalie prospect.  I don't know why a goalie prospect would sign here, though.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:59 AM

I hope not. DeAngelo is a Jersey kid but is a small (5'11, 167) offensive defenseman who struggles defensively and has been suspended twice this season for violating the OHL's harassment, abuse, and diversity policy. He was one of the last cuts from team USA for the WJC this year.

Even without the off the ice issues, the Devils have a ton of depth and quality at D and they don't need a kid that can't play in his own end.

 

i wonder if he's one of those Van Riemsdyk /Ryan losers who grew up rooting for the Rags or Flyers


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:16 AM

i wonder if he's one of those Van Riemsdyk /Ryan losers who grew up rooting for the Rags or Flyers

Probably. Too many of those types of douchebags populating our state.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:25 AM

Haha, mock drafts.  

 

As for goalie, even though Kinkaid hasn't had a great year in the AHL he's doing okay and I'd be okay with him on the big team next year.  If they need a guy at the deadline they can deal for a backup goaltender but other than that, I'd like to see Wedgewood in the A with another goalie prospect.  I don't know why a goalie prospect would sign here, though.

 

I think more and more that Marty is coming back next year, especially if he somehow stops pucks at a .910 rate or better for the rest of the season.   


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:29 AM

I think more and more that Marty is coming back next year, especially if he somehow stops pucks at a .910 rate or better for the rest of the season.   

 

Kiss Cory goodbye if that happens. The loyalty and respect Lou is giving is unprecedented in the sports landscape. Maybe Jeter with the Yankees, but he is retiring at a fine age and not handicapping the organization (hard to handicap the Yankees, anyway). We'll never know what would happen if Jeter wanted to keep playing.

 

But if Brodeur keeps winning, he'll say all the same things he said during the 2012 playoff run. And like the deadline, I don't think many teams will be interested. He had some leverage in 2012, but that won't happen this time around. It's just up to Lou to say no thank you. I don't see that ever happening.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:35 AM

Kiss Cory goodbye if that happens. The loyalty and respect Lou is giving is unprecedented in the sports landscape. Maybe Jeter with the Yankees, but he is retiring at a fine age and not handicapping the organization (hard to handicap the Yankees, anyway). We'll never know what would happen if Jeter wanted to keep playing.

 

But if Brodeur keeps winning, he'll say all the same things he said during the 2012 playoff run. And like the deadline, I don't think many teams will be interested. He had some leverage in 2012, but that won't happen this time around. It's just up to Lou to say no thank you. I don't see that ever happening.

 

You never know.  I mean he did pretty much get rid of Pando, White and Madden pretty quickly when they were showing to be more and more useless.  I know they are not on the same level as Marty but Lou has done it before.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:37 AM

Kiss Cory goodbye if that happens. The loyalty and respect Lou is giving is unprecedented in the sports landscape. Maybe Jeter with the Yankees, but he is retiring at a fine age and not handicapping the organization (hard to handicap the Yankees, anyway). We'll never know what would happen if Jeter wanted to keep playing.

 

But if Brodeur keeps winning, he'll say all the same things he said during the 2012 playoff run. And like the deadline, I don't think many teams will be interested. He had some leverage in 2012, but that won't happen this time around. It's just up to Lou to say no thank you. I don't see that ever happening.

 

Lou can give Schneider 36 to 42 million reasons to play at least 50 games next year, and then 65-75 games a year for the next five or six years after that.  Believe it or not, most of these guys don't have the fragile egos that you just seem to assume they must have. 

 

And in fact, Lou can very easily determine whether Schneider signing an extension is being put in jeapordy, by simply offering him that amount of money once the season ends, if it hasn't happened already.  If an older Ryan Miller can bring the return that he did, I can only imagine what Lou would get for a much younger Schneider, where the team trading for Schneider will have a distinct advantage in re-signing him, because he'll be young enough where an 8 year deal would make sense.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:28 AM

Lou can give Schneider 36 to 42 million reasons to play at least 50 games next year, and then 65-75 games a year for the next five or six years after that.  Believe it or not, most of these guys don't have the fragile egos that you just seem to assume they must have. 

 

And in fact, Lou can very easily determine whether Schneider signing an extension is being put in jeapordy, by simply offering him that amount of money once the season ends, if it hasn't happened already.  If an older Ryan Miller can bring the return that he did, I can only imagine what Lou would get for a much younger Schneider, where the team trading for Schneider will have a distinct advantage in re-signing him, because he'll be young enough where an 8 year deal would make sense.

 

The only reason I am engaging the "kiss Cory goodbye" nonsense is because I need to quote this for truth.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:59 AM

Kiss Cory goodbye if that happens. The loyalty and respect Lou is giving is unprecedented in the sports landscape. Maybe Jeter with the Yankees, but he is retiring at a fine age and not handicapping the organization (hard to handicap the Yankees, anyway). We'll never know what would happen if Jeter wanted to keep playing.

 

But if Brodeur keeps winning, he'll say all the same things he said during the 2012 playoff run. And like the deadline, I don't think many teams will be interested. He had some leverage in 2012, but that won't happen this time around. It's just up to Lou to say no thank you. I don't see that ever happening.

 

Lou hasn't really done anything.  He listened to Brodeur.  Brodeur got some starts and had 2 good ones and 2 lousy ones and somehow won all 4.  That's how it's been going for him this year.  I don't think Brodeur wants to be here next year, and if he has a .910 SV% down the stretch and NJ scores him some goals someone will take a chance on him next year.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 12:29 PM

Lou hasn't really done anything.  He listened to Brodeur.  Brodeur got some starts and had 2 good ones and 2 lousy ones and somehow won all 4.  That's how it's been going for him this year.  I don't think Brodeur wants to be here next year, and if he has a .910 SV% down the stretch and NJ scores him some goals someone will take a chance on him next year.

 

He gave Brodeur a 2-year contract. He drafted his son ("his" being Marty's son, not to be confused by him calling Marty his son). He may have refused to trade him. He 100% promised him the opportunity for more games. And if Brodeur wanted bakc next year, I bet Lou would welcome it.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 12:37 PM

He gave Brodeur a 2-year contract. He drafted his son ("his" being Marty's son, not to be confused by him calling Marty his son). He may have refused to trade him. He 100% promised him the opportunity for more games. And if Brodeur wanted bakc next year, I bet Lou would welcome it.

 

Other teams were offering a 2 year contract.  I don't see this as favoritism somehow.  The drafting of the son - yeah, whatever, I don't like it at all but Anthony will get used to the weather in Elmira.  (I feel bad for Anthony in that he's been cast into this life but I don't see how he becomes a successful pro goaltender - there's a few other stars' kids kicking around like David Bondra who aren't going to make it either.  To that end, his being drafted by NJ is a reward for Martin Brodeur alone).  Refusing to trade him can easily make sense from a hockey perspective because NJ doesn't exactly have a proven backup behind him and he's not going to get anything for him in trade.  I don't think a promise for more games is really that bad because he was obviously going to get more than the 0 he got in between the Winter Classic and the Olympics.  And I think Lou may welcome a return, depending on the price point, but I think Brodeur doesn't welcome it.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 12:45 PM

Other teams were offering a 2 year contract.  I don't see this as favoritism somehow.  The drafting of the son - yeah, whatever, I don't like it at all but Anthony will get used to the weather in Elmira.  (I feel bad for Anthony in that he's been cast into this life but I don't see how he becomes a successful pro goaltender - there's a few other stars' kids kicking around like David Bondra who aren't going to make it either.  To that end, his being drafted by NJ is a reward for Martin Brodeur alone).  Refusing to trade him can easily make sense from a hockey perspective because NJ doesn't exactly have a proven backup behind him and he's not going to get anything for him in trade.  I don't think a promise for more games is really that bad because he was obviously going to get more than the 0 he got in between the Winter Classic and the Olympics.  And I think Lou may welcome a return, depending on the price point, but I think Brodeur doesn't welcome it.

 

We'll see how this season ends. The thing is Brodeur is playing games and a lot of them, so I don't think anything is close to off the table. Marty might be "having fun" or "getting wins" and want to return suddenly.

 

The bottom line is that there is no situation where it should make sense for the organization to want Brodeur back. But you know there is a chance. A chance is too much.

 

If there are no offers for Brodeur...do you think Lou says sorry to a guy who doesn't want to retire? I hope so, but I don't see it right now.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 12:47 PM

Other teams were offering a 2 year contract.  I don't see this as favoritism somehow.  The drafting of the son - yeah, whatever, I don't like it at all but Anthony will get used to the weather in Elmira.  (I feel bad for Anthony in that he's been cast into this life but I don't see how he becomes a successful pro goaltender - there's a few other stars' kids kicking around like David Bondra who aren't going to make it either).  Refusing to trade him can easily make sense from a hockey perspective because NJ doesn't exactly have a proven backup behind him and he's not going to get anything for him in trade.  I don't think a promise for more games is really that bad because he was obviously going to get more than the 0 he got in between the Winter Classic and the Olympics.  And I think Lou may welcome it, depending on the price point, but I think Brodeur doesn't welcome it.

 

Re:  Anthony, deep down I don't think he kids himself about his NHL future.  I think he's going to give it his best shot for a few years, but I don't think he's oblivious to the circumstances that saw him taken.  If not for the Devils he's an undrafted FA. 

 

You really think Marty wants out of NJ that badly?  Guess it's all speculation...I don't really get the impression that he's counting down the days until he can go elsewhere, though it's probably best for everyone involved if he does.       


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 12:50 PM

He gave Brodeur a 2-year contract. He drafted his son ("his" being Marty's son, not to be confused by him calling Marty his son). He may have refused to trade him. He 100% promised him the opportunity for more games. And if Brodeur wanted bakc next year, I bet Lou would welcome it.

 

Do you just feel compelled to double down on each hysterical post.

 

Hello, Lou traded the number 9 overall pick for Schneider, and evidently didn't tell Marty about it.  It seems like a very bizarre thing to do to the guy that is evidently pulling all the strings.  I don't know how you can speak with certainty that Lou promised Marty more games, or if it's even Lou's place to do so.  DeBoer just said he did not Schneider sitting for anything more than a couple of games, which is a lot more certainty than Marty has gotten at all this season.

 

As a nice gesture, Lou drafted Anthony with the last overall pick in the draft.  Believe it or not, sometimes people do things for sentimental purposes and don't consult a spreadsheet for every single decision they make. 

 

EDIT:  And he gave Marty a two year contract, after the team went to the Stanley Cup Finals, when there was no one that you could realisticly get to take over for him the following year.  Lou also gave Hedberg a two year deal.  Or is it just that Marty got all mushy and decided to cede some of his power in the organization to Hedberg too?


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:05 PM

Do you just feel compelled to double down on each hysterical post.

 

Hello, Lou traded the number 9 overall pick for Schneider, and evidently didn't tell Marty about it.  It seems like a very bizarre thing to do to the guy that is evidently pulling all the strings.  I don't know how you can speak with certainty that Lou promised Marty more games, or if it's even Lou's place to do so.  DeBoer just said he did not Schneider sitting for anything more than a couple of games, which is a lot more certainty than Marty has gotten at all this season.

 

As a nice gesture, Lou drafted Anthony with the last overall pick in the draft.  Believe it or not, sometimes people do things for sentimental purposes and don't consult a spreadsheet for every single decision they make. 

 

Lou might be loyal, but he's not an idiot. He knew he had absolutely nothing in the pipeline as a replacement for Brodeur. This was also the last year left on both his 40-year-old goalies' deals, so it was proactive move. It was a smart trade, but he might have viewed Cory as someone who would just have to wait a bit longer to get his starting job. Maybe, Cory really didn't want to do that.

 

I don't buy that he didn't want to trade Brodeur since that would leave them with no backup. Brodeur's stats at the time of the deadline could be duplicated by any starting goalie in the AHL. Furthermore, he could have traded for a number of backups that were going around for nothing. If he let Marty go to Minny, he could have had Bryzgalov and so on. Lou has always said that he would never even think to trade Brodeur. So when Marty came to him telling him what he wanted, he probably thought we'll give you some of the things you are looking for. Brodeur's comments from the days leading up to the deadline to the days after...says it all

 

I never said the Anthony pick was stupid. I liked it, but I think it in an example of the extraordinary GM-Player relationship they have, and the things Lou would do for Marty.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:09 PM

One thing dr33...I think we all have to be careful in assuming an AHL goalie can just pop in and be NHL-poor.  We really have no idea if, say, a Kinkaid-type can come up and pick up where Marty leaves off, even if Marty isn't playing NHL-well.   


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 01:22 PM

Lou might be loyal, but he's not an idiot. He knew he had absolutely nothing in the pipeline as a replacement for Brodeur. This was also the last year left on both his 40-year-old goalies' deals, so it was proactive move. It was a smart trade, but he might have viewed Cory as someone who would just have to wait a bit longer to get his starting job. Maybe, Cory really didn't want to do that.

 

I don't buy that he didn't want to trade Brodeur since that would leave them with no backup. Brodeur's stats at the time of the deadline could be duplicated by any starting goalie in the AHL. Furthermore, he could have traded for a number of backups that were going around for nothing. If he let Marty go to Minny, he could have had Bryzgalov and so on. Lou has always said that he would never even think to trade Brodeur. So when Marty came to him telling him what he wanted, he probably thought we'll give you some of the things you are looking for. Brodeur's comments from the days leading up to the deadline to the days after...says it all

 

I never said the Anthony pick was stupid. I liked it, but I think it in an example of the extraordinary GM-Player relationship they have, and the things Lou would do for Marty.

 

Now it's getting really bizarre.  He knows there's nothing in the pipeline to replace Brodeur, but he has no problem pissing off the guy he made a big splash to get to replenish that pipeline?  Or maybe I have no idea where you're going with this.  Was it Lou that wanted to keep Marty the whole time, despite Marty saying he wanted a trade?  Was it Marty saying he wanted a trade, and that Lou promised him more starts to get him to stay, even though Lou didn't have to promise him anything?  Much more likely, Lou attempted to trade Marty, but didn't want to give him away.  Other teams that needed goalies went with guys with the better save percentages and that were much less costly to obtain.  Or at least it's the most logical explanation based on what we actually do know.

 

The bottom line is this.  When Lou traded for Schneider, he said the Devils had two goalies the team could depend on.  When the season started that's what DeBoer said, and he has since been pretty consistent in saying he would ride the hot hand.  It's a fairly common thing that coaches do.  But in this case, when Schneider was the hot hand, he got seven straight starts.  When it was Marty, he got 3, and the coach has said that's the most it's going to be.

 

Sometimes, you just have call unwise personnel decisions just that.  There isn't palace intrigue behind everything. 


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