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#21 DH26

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:02 AM

Can't argue with that low ranking. Quality and quantity at defense but no true top end talent at forward. A lot of nice depth forwards and projects with upside but nothing to get excessively excited about. Hopefully we don't have to wait too long for his top 10 prospects and honorable mentions.

I hope Gavrus is at the camp but I'm not sure how likely it is. I think KHL pre-season camps start real early (August or something) and maybe he would rather stay home for the time being as he prepares for that. I wouldn't blame him for that.

 

I don't like it but it's probably about right. Especially since a lot of the top end talent still not in the league came out of hte first round this year. But it's all a crapshoot from like 15 on if not before that. It's just a matter of us not having any forwards beyond Matteau and Boucher. If we'd have taken Nichushkin, we'd probably be around 15-20, but I'd rather have Schneider so whatever


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:10 AM

I guess I'll stoke the fire a bit - Pronman released his org rankings today (prospects only), NJ was 28th: http://www.hockeypro...?articleid=1553 - seems about right.

I'll be curious if Gavrus is at development camp. He wasn't there last year because he was injured. If he's not there, it's a good sign that he's focused on the KHL only.

I don't think the Devils are 28th but that number is close I think. 24-25ish? Prospect pools don't matter much though I think. What matters is having 6-7 NHL caliber players in there (which the devils do.)
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:51 AM

It's hard for me to dispute the Devils' ranking more because I'm not all that familiar with other teams' prospects.  However, it's hard for me to figure how the Devils are ranked below the Rangers, or frankly, that the Rangers aren't last, especially if Kreider is considered a "graduate", which isn't entirely clear.  With the exception of McIlrath, it would seem that the Rags have no one in their system that you can confidently project to be an NHL regular defenseman.  (And I only say McIlrath because he'll be given every chance to succeed given his high draft status and the lack of depth on defense for the Rangers at the pro level).  Skej had an awful Freshman year at Minnesota.  And especially if you don't count Kreider, the Devils would have about equal or better forward depth than the Rangers -- JT Miller will probably be a steady pro, and you hear good things about Fast and St. Croix.

 

With the Devils, I know they're weak at forward, but the defense is absolutely stacked with at least four players you can project to be NHLers in the next year or two (Urbom, Severson, Merrill and Gelinas) and that doesn't count Santini and Scarlett. That has to count for something, or something more than Pronman is giving it credit for.  Ultimately though, organizational rankings are fun for discussion purposes, but basically useless no matter how much you respect the person doing the rankings.  I prefer to look at individual players to see what they can contribute.

 

One last note, In response to one of my tweets, Pronman said he doesn't think you can say, right now anyway, that Severson has first pairing upside.    


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:20 AM

It's hard for me to dispute the Devils' ranking more because I'm not all that familiar with other teams' prospects.  However, it's hard for me to figure how the Devils are ranked below the Rangers, or frankly, that the Rangers aren't last, especially if Kreider is considered a "graduate", which isn't entirely clear.  With the exception of McIlrath, it would seem that the Rags have no one in their system that you can confidently project to be an NHL regular defenseman.  (And I only say McIlrath because he'll be given every chance to succeed given his high draft status and the lack of depth on defense for the Rangers at the pro level).  Skej had an awful Freshman year at Minnesota.  And especially if you don't count Kreider, the Devils would have about equal or better forward depth than the Rangers -- JT Miller will probably be a steady pro, and you hear good things about Fast and St. Croix.

 

No, the Rangers clearly have better forward depth.  Kristo, Fast, Krieder, St. Croix, Nieves, Buchevich, Duclair is definitely better than what NJ has.  Compare that to Boucher, Matteau, Pietila, Kujawinski, Bell, Black, Coleman (who I would rate as NJ's top 7 forward prospects), NYR wins out on almost all of them.

 

One last note, In response to one of my tweets, Pronman said he doesn't think you can say, right now anyway, that Severson has first pairing upside.    

 

This is one of those things that upsets me because almost no defensemen have first pairing upside, and yet many defensemen become 1st pairing D.  And in fact, a lot of players with '1st pairing upside' drafted high don't become 1st pairing D men.  That's because players become 1st pairing D in the NHL.  So I think it's silly for Pronman to say that.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:46 AM

This is one of those things that upsets me because almost no defensemen have first pairing upside, and yet many defensemen become 1st pairing D.  And in fact, a lot of players with '1st pairing upside' drafted high don't become 1st pairing D men.  That's because players become 1st pairing D in the NHL.  So I think it's silly for Pronman to say that.

 

I think that's why I hope everyone takes these rankings with a grain of salt. Every organization seems to have NHL players in them and w/ defensemen especially, it's hard to predict what they can do on the next level. Just look at Fayne who wasn't exaclty a good prospect. It's not like baseball where the Yankees may not have anyone at the top of their prospects list even make it to the majors and you can generally tell if a farm system's terrible bc of lack of any major league talent (like Houston a couple years ago w/ Ed Wade), every team in the league will have prospects at least show up at some point and many of them can't fully be judged until they're up if that makes sense.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:36 PM

Santini has better mobility on the back end than I expected. Maybe he can end up a mcdonaugh lite.
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:51 PM

Santini has better mobility on the back end than I expected. Maybe he can end up a mcdonaugh lite.

 

I watched his first 3 shifts and this is what stuck out to me.  The USNDT does not produce slow players - players who don't read the game well, players who don't have instincts in the offensive zone, sure, but guys who don't skate well, no.  We should know this already.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:33 PM

This is a little 3 minute video that just shows Santini, if you want to check out his skating and footwork.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=PfrZM0QfK_o


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:43 PM

We have our first invitee to prospect camp:

 

https://twitter.com/...776850603581440

 

"NYHJ favorite LW Frank DiChiara is going to New Jersey Devils development camp- super kid & underrated player. Kudos to NJD for inviting him"

 

From Long Island, here is his eliteprospects page with all his stats. Will be attending Yale in the fall and turns 20 in September. Decent size at 6'2, 216.

 

EDIT: Kirk Luedeke tweets he is a Yale recruit and DiChiara's twitter confirms. EP has it incorrectly listed as Princeton.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:57 PM

Hockey Prospect's Black Book has DiChiara listed as 6'5, 215 and had this to say on him as an overager in this past draft:

 

Frank is a strong kid who posted 30 goals and added 30 more assists. His feet are getting better all the time and he is really strong on the puck. He has a pro shot and a quick release to along with it. He is good along the walls down low and is effective when he gets pucks on his tape in the slot.

 

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Here is his overtime winning goal to clinch the Clark Cup (USHL) championship this past season:


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:49 PM

I've been able to figure out who 6 of the FA invitees are to prospect camp via twitter. I'm sure there are others but we'll have to wait till the roster comes out tomorrow. The 6 are LW Frank DiChiara, G Jake Hildebrand, LW Nick Saracino, RD Zach Tolkinen, LD Oleg Yevenko, and LW Conor Sheary.

 

LW Frank DiChiara 6'5, 215, 19 yrs old (Yale)
- From Long Island
- USHL Clark Cup Champion last year (OT GWG)
- 2012-13 Dubuque (USHL): 64 GP 30-30-60 +26 18 PIM, Playoffs: 11 GP 4-8-12 +4 6 PIM

- 3rd on team in scoring last year

- Entering freshman year at Yale

 

G Jake Hildebrand 5'11, 182, 20 yrs old (Michigan State)
- Played 65.4% games as a freshman last year
- 2012-13: 29 GP 9-17-2 2.35 GAA .928 SV% 2 SO 1,659:39 MIN

 

LW Nick Saracino 5'11, 185, 21 yrs old (Providence)
- Just finished freshman season
- 2012-13: 28 GP 11-7-18 +8 10 PIM 20.0 SH% 1.96 SH/GP (6 PPG)
- Tied 3rd on team in scoring

 

RD Zach Tolkinen 6'3, 190, 23 yrs old (Quinnipiac)
- Just finished junior year
- 2012-13: 38 GP 2-5-7 +11 51 PIM
- NCAA Career: 99 GP 6-19-25 +5 121 PIM

 

LD Oleg Yevenko 6'7, 250, 22 yrs old (UMass Amherst)
- Just finished sophomore year
- 2012-13: 31 GP 0-1-1 -5 55 PIM 0.0 SH% 0.71 SH/GP
- NCAA Career: 64 GP 1-3-4 -6 93 PIM 2.5 SH% 0.63 SH/GP

 

LW Conor Sheary 5'9, 160, 21 yrs old (UMass Amherst)
- Just finished junior year
- 2012-13: 34 GP 11-16-27 -6 29 PIM 10.78 SH% 3.00 SH/GP
- 2nd on team in scoring last year
- NCAA Career: 104 GP 29-47-76 +4 51 PIM 12.03 SH% 2.32 SH/GP
 


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:30 PM

I've been able to figure out who 6 of the FA invitees are to prospect camp via twitter. I'm sure there are others but we'll have to wait till the roster comes out tomorrow. The 6 are LW Frank DiChiara, G Jake Hildebrand, LW Nick Saracino, RD Zach Tolkinen, LD Oleg Yevenko, and LW Conor Sheary.

 

LW Frank DiChiara 6'5, 215, 19 yrs old (Yale)
- From Long Island
- USHL Clark Cup Champion last year (OT GWG)
- 2012-13 Dubuque (USHL): 64 GP 30-30-60 +26 18 PIM, Playoffs: 11 GP 4-8-12 +4 6 PIM

- 3rd on team in scoring last year

- Entering freshman year at Yale

 

G Jake Hildebrand 5'11, 182, 20 yrs old (Michigan State)
- Played 65.4% games as a freshman last year
- 2012-13: 29 GP 9-17-2 2.35 GAA .928 SV% 2 SO 1,659:39 MIN

 

LW Nick Saracino 5'11, 185, 21 yrs old (Providence)
- Just finished freshman season
- 2012-13: 28 GP 11-7-18 +8 10 PIM 20.0 SH% 1.96 SH/GP (6 PPG)
- Tied 3rd on team in scoring

 

RD Zach Tolkinen 6'3, 190, 23 yrs old (Quinnipiac)
- Just finished junior year
- 2012-13: 38 GP 2-5-7 +11 51 PIM
- NCAA Career: 99 GP 6-19-25 +5 121 PIM

 

LD Oleg Yevenko 6'7, 250, 22 yrs old (UMass Amherst)
- Just finished sophomore year
- 2012-13: 31 GP 0-1-1 -5 55 PIM 0.0 SH% 0.71 SH/GP
- NCAA Career: 64 GP 1-3-4 -6 93 PIM 2.5 SH% 0.63 SH/GP

 

LW Conor Sheary 5'9, 160, 21 yrs old (UMass Amherst)
- Just finished junior year
- 2012-13: 34 GP 11-16-27 -6 29 PIM 10.78 SH% 3.00 SH/GP
- 2nd on team in scoring last year
- NCAA Career: 104 GP 29-47-76 +4 51 PIM 12.03 SH% 2.32 SH/GP
 

Great work Fiesty. Thanks!    2 FW's 6'-5" and 6'7"? Big dudes. I doubt this is the venue to make the evaluation, but maybe there's a diamond in the rough?


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:38 PM

Great work Fiesty. Thanks!    2 FW's 6'-5" and 6'7"? Big dudes. I doubt this is the venue to make the evaluation, but maybe there's a diamond in the rough?

Well the Devils get more familiar with Albany's leading scorer Joe Whitney this way in 2011. I think it's a nice way to get a look at some of the NCAA upperclassman before they potentially hit the NCAA FA market after this upcoming season. Plus the somewhat local connection to kids like DiChiara and of course the Providence connection is nice even if it doesn't amount to much.

 

Amongst the current NCAA, CHL, KHL, and recently turned pro prospects, this is whom I have seen confirmation on attending:

Confirmed
C Blake Coleman
D Steven Santini
LW Miles Wood
G Anthony Brodeur
C Graham Black
LW Myles Bell
D Reece Scarlett
D Seth Helgeson
LW Stefan Matteau

 

NCAA players have to pay their way to attend which makes them harder to predict. A lot of the guys I don't list may be coming, I just haven't seen the confirmation. Couldn't find any info on Gavrus (KHL). Have to imagine all the CHL players will be in attendance (unless Ben Johnson has legal issues). I've only been able to find confirmation on a few of them so far but they should be there on the rosters tomorrow.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:41 PM

I'd be surprised if someone like Kerfoot wasn't there, his dad is a millionaire.  He might still be rehabbing though.

 

Great work on tracking this stuff down, fiesty.  Yevenko sounds fun if he can skate at all.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:59 PM

Devils prospect camp by number of total invitees to undrafted FA invitees in recent years:
2010: 43 - 12
2011: 43 - 11
2012: 36 - 9

So if we go by history, there should be about 3-6 more FA invitees we don't know about yet. Have to guess there may be some CHL kids since the 6 we know about are all from the NCAA. Also some of the Jersey kids who've attended in recent years don't have twitters so info on them is hard to come by.
 


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:11 PM

Found a CHL G that was invited:

 

G Brandon Hope 6'0, 197, 19 yrs old (Owen Sound)
- Spent 2 years with Sarnia before moving on to Owen Sound
- 2012-13: 20 GP 12-6-0-0 2.61 GAA .915 SV% 0 SO 1,080 MIN
- OHL Career: 67 GP 24-24-1-3 3.99 GAA .883 SV% 0 SO 3,456 MIN
 

The 2013 Hockey Prospect Black Book had some info on him:

 

Brandon displays excellent leg movement. He is very quick and drops down to make saves, recovering quickly. He also moves very well in the crease. His reflexes are strong and he has shown good recovery ability to make those highlight reel saves when it appears a sure goal will be scored. We still see the occasional mental lapse on goals that should not get past him, but generally he is able to let those bad goals go and not let it snowball into something bigger. Brandon has shown good puck skills and is capable of playing the puck well. Rebound control is likely the biggest area of improvement for Brandon, not only the number in rebounds but in directing them away from the scoring area. Brandon is still a very interesting prospect.

Quotable: “He may finally get his chance to play a large number of games next season. Looks like the rookie tender the Attack drafted will back him up.” - Mark Edwards


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:39 PM

Found 2 more guys, so we're up to 9 now:

 

LW Ryan Misiak 5'11, 185, 21 yrs old (MercyHurst)
- Just finished sophomore year
- 2012-13: 41 GP 18-20-38 +7 14 PIM 20.22 SH% 2.17 SH/GP
- 2nd on team in scoring last year
- NCAA Career: 77 GP 24-33-57 +4 36 PIM

 

LW Cody Wydo 5'10, 175, 22 yrs old (Robert Morris)
- Just finished sophomore year
- 2012-13: 38 GP 21-12-33 +16 16 PIM 18.75 SH% 2.95 SH/GP
- 2nd on team in scoring last year
- NCAA Career: 72 GP 34-19-53 +21 26 PIM


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:00 PM

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:24 AM

I'm really excited to see if Matteau can make the team, also I REALLY enjoyed watching Pietilla win gold at the juniors last year.  I know he might not turn out, but I'm excited to see his progress


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Posted 28 July 2013 - 08:45 PM

I figured it's still too early to start a 2014 draft thread so I figured I'd post here. Sounds like Claude Lemieux's son Brendan is impressing at Canada's Ivan Hlinka camp. He'll be with Barrie (OHL) this year. Wasn't mentioned in the Hockey Prospect Black Book or on the CSS Future List so I suppose he profiles as a mid round guy at this moment in time. Still early and it is important to keep in mind he has a birth date late in the season.

 

LW Brendan Lemieux 6'0 194 DOB: 3/15/96
2012-13 Barrie: 42 GP 6-8-14 +2 52 PIM
Playoffs: 21 GP 2-0-2 +3 36 PIM

 

Here are the links to the Central Scouting Futures list for the 2014 draft. These are players scouts believe that at this moment in time, can possess 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round potential.

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