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#41 thefiestygoat

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 04:09 PM

Chris Peters of the United States of Hockey has a WJC Camp Preview. He'll have a player by player preview up soon. The US will start with 2 teams before making cuts and reducing down to 1 team for the remainder of the exhibition schedule.

 

Sun., Aug. 4
USA White (Santini) vs. Sweden — 1 p.m.
USA Blue (Matteau) vs. Finland — 4 p.m.

Mon., Aug. 5
USA Blue (Matteau) vs. Sweden — 1 p.m.
USA White (Santini) vs. Finland — 4 p.m.

Wed., Aug. 7
Canada (Severson) vs. Finland — 1 p.m.
USA (Santini and/or Matteau) vs. Sweden — 4:15 p.m.

Thurs., Aug. 8
USA (Santini and/or Matteau) vs. Finland — 1 p.m.
Canada (Severson) vs. Sweden — 4:15 p.m.

Sat., Aug. 10
USA (Santini and/or Matteau) vs. Canada (Severson) — 1 p.m.
Finland vs. Sweden — 4:15 p.m.


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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:16 PM

The way NJ's prospects look up front, NJ could have a similar built team to that of the 90's. Excellent goaltending, excellent defense and gritty two way forwards. Henrique Matteau Pietila Black Bell Kujawinski
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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:27 PM

The way NJ's prospects look up front, NJ could have a similar built team to that of the 90's. Excellent goaltending, excellent defense and gritty two way forwards.

Henrique
Matteau
Pietila
Black
Bell
Kujawinski


Easy there hoss. It helps when you have two first ballot Hall of Fame defenseman playing in the prime of their careers.

I'm also sure you can take the best case scenario for every teams' prospects and conclude they can be similar to any successful team you want from recent years.


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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:38 PM

2013 U.S. WJC Camp Preview: Defensemen and Goalies

 

 

Steven Santini (Boston College) — After the performance Santini had at last year’s U18 World Championship, I think he’d be an extremely hard guy to cut. He received the directorate award as the tournament’s best defenseman without registering a single point. He was a minutes-eating, quick, physical shut-down defender who dominated opposing team’s top lines, with opponents scoring only twice total in the tournament with Santini on the ice. After two years at the NTDP, Santini’s defensive game has grown to a near-elite level. The only guy I’ve seen dominate in a defensive role at the U18s like he did was Seth Jones the year prior. Not trying to compare, but that’s how good Santini was at the U18 Worlds. There is pretty much no offense to speak of in Santini’s game, but he has proven what he does defensively is really valuable. He’ll have some tough competition, but if Santini plays up to his ability, he’s going to be a really strong candidate to make the club. New Jersey Devils (2013, 2nd Rd., 42nd overall)
 


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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:48 PM

 

Easy there hoss. It helps when you have two first ballot Hall of Fame defenseman playing in the prime of their careers. I'm also sure you can take the best case scenario for every teams' prospects and conclude they can be similar to any successful team you want from recent years. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

Exactly why I said similarly. NJ just doesn't have the skill up front to win a lot of games by 2 or 3. I can see them trying to win low scoring games. It is the way the team seems to be going.
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Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:24 PM

   

Exactly why I said similarly. NJ just doesn't have the skill up front to win a lot of games by 2 or 3. I can see them trying to win low scoring games. It is the way the team seems to be going.

 

we'll have to show Schneider that he'll get goal support to re-sign him long term, no goalie want to have a 1 goal margin every game and no room for error. 


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Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:02 PM

   

Exactly why I said similarly. NJ just doesn't have the skill up front to win a lot of games by 2 or 3. I can see them trying to win low scoring games. It is the way the team seems to be going.

 

No one has this kind of skill, though.  I see your point, but there are about 3-5 teams who manage to cobble together enough offense to try to win with offensive skill.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:11 AM

 

I wonder if Santini will ever be able to develop some offense in his game. It seems like some of the tools may be there (he's a good skater, appears to have good vision and passing skills, not sure about his shot), but some guys just aren't big points guys. I won't get my hopes up too high from seeing the name Seth Jones mentioned in his description, but I'm excited to see how he turns out.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:34 PM

2013 U.S. WJC Camp Preview: Forwards

 

 

Stefan Matteau (Rimouski Oceanic) — USA Blue — A lot of eyes will be on Matteau, who played in 17 NHL games last season with the New Jersey Devils. His status for next season is very much up in the air. He could make the Devils, play in the AHL or skate for the Rimouski Oceanic in the QMJHL after an offseason trade. Matteau is a real wild card for a lot of reasons. He unceremoniously parted ways with the Blainville-Boisbriand Armada last year while the club was still competing in the playoffs. On the ice, Matteau has had a penchant for bad penalties, which might be the exact reason he was left off last year’s roster after making it to the final cuts. There’s also the fact that Matteau has dual citizenship with Canada, and has yet to play in an IIHF event to lock him into his national team service. So there’s maybe a little added pressure to bring him to ensure he’s in the U.S. system for good. That’s never a good enough reason to use a roster spot, but it’s a factor. Matteau is quite good, though. He has a solid power game, plays physically, but his offense needs to come along a bit more. I think he’d be a force at the WJC, if given the chance. The big thing right now is can he behave himself and not disrupt the team? Can he avoid the penalty trouble that’s plagued him for years? These are the questions he’ll have to continually answer. He’s potentially high-risk, high-reward, but it wouldn’t be as tough a choice if he wasn’t worth the trouble. We’ll see how this plays out in camp and throughout the season. Heck, if he makes the Devils out of camp, it’s a dead issue anyway. New Jersey Devils (2012, 1st Rd., 29th overall)


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:45 PM

I wonder if Santini will ever be able to develop some offense in his game. It seems like some of the tools may be there (he's a good skater, appears to have good vision and passing skills, not sure about his shot), but some guys just aren't big points guys. I won't get my hopes up too high from seeing the name Seth Jones mentioned in his description, but I'm excited to see how he turns out.

From what I've read and the little I've seen, I doubt he develops much of an offensive game if you judge it by points. I do think he can contribute by helping the breakout out of the zone and making the right passes in the offensive zone. Kind of one of those guys whose under-appreciated because his point totals aren't up there but he makes the right plays. I hope he breaks the stereotype of "defensive defenseman" since he is a very fluid player and not an anchor out there at all.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 04:37 PM

Hockey Prospectus New Jersey Devils Top 10

 

 

New Jersey Devils Top 10 Prospects

1. Jon Merrill, Defense
2. Damon Severson, Defense
3. Steve Santini, Defense
4. Eric Gelinas, Defense
5. Stefan Matteau, Left Wing
6. Alexander Urbom, Defense
7. Reid Boucher, Left Wing
8. Ryan Kujawinski, Center
9. Reece Scarlett, Defense
10. Arturs Gavrus, Left Wing

 

Organizational Ranking: 28th

 

System Overview

Despite their low organizational ranking, all is not hopeless for the Devils' farm system. They have several quality defense prospects, and pretty decent names in the 7-9 range. New Jersey, however, lacks a true top-end prospect, and their depth is below average. There also is not much much in terms of forward prospects in this pipeline, but that factor did not contribute to the low ranking. Several of New Jersey's mid-tier prospects have notable upside, but also carry an equal amount of risk.


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Posted 01 August 2013 - 11:06 PM

I'm glad to see they're not overrating Boucher. It's interesting to see Urbom sliding down that list. It doesn't seem like he'll ever get a shot in New Jersey with the way things are now.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 07:49 AM

we'll have to show Schneider that he'll get goal support to re-sign him long term, no goalie want to have a 1 goal margin every game and no room for error.


That is such a fallacious statement.
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Posted 02 August 2013 - 07:57 AM

That is such a fallacious statement.

 

Indeed. If so, Lundqvist would've bailed years ago.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 08:13 AM

Indeed. If so, Lundqvist would've bailed years ago.

 

Lundqvist?  How about Brodeur?  NJ has ranked top 10 in offense, what, 4 years since he's been here?  (93-94, 99-01)


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 10:11 AM

Also on Pronman's list I think he's underrating Blake Pietila, though if he goes on upside along people like Gavrus and Kujawinski are better.  Still, I think Pietila has a much better chance of being a regular NHLer.

 

Re:  Kujawinski - I didn't realize he was 2nd on his team in scoring.  That's a good sign - hopefully Kingston improves and he can too.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 10:17 AM

Also on Pronman's list I think he's underrating Blake Pietila, though if he goes on upside along people like Gavrus and Kujawinski are better. Still, I think Pietila has a much better chance of being a regular NHLer.

Re: Kujawinski - I didn't realize he was 2nd on his team in scoring. That's a good sign - hopefully Kingston improves and he can too.


He was slated to be a first rounder earlier in the year, so he obviously has some fine tools. I like how Conte took a lot of boom/busts this draft rather than the Ben Thomson's/Johnson's of the world
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Posted 02 August 2013 - 10:30 AM

Also on Pronman's list I think he's underrating Blake Pietila, though if he goes on upside along people like Gavrus and Kujawinski are better.  Still, I think Pietila has a much better chance of being a regular NHLer.

 

Re:  Kujawinski - I didn't realize he was 2nd on his team in scoring.  That's a good sign - hopefully Kingston improves and he can too.

 

When you're talking about forwards anyway, I'd much rather have upside with risk in team's pipeline than safe bets like Pietila.  You can generally find a Jay Pandolfo or Ryan Carter level talent when the need arises, so long as the GM is sharp enough to know that you need those types of players to succeed.  Matt D'Agastini, another eminently average NHLer, can be a useful player for a competitive team.

 

Not saying you ignore the safe bets entirely, but they don't really advance the ball so much. 


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:18 PM

When you're talking about forwards anyway, I'd much rather have upside with risk in team's pipeline than safe bets like Pietila.  You can generally find a Jay Pandolfo or Ryan Carter level talent when the need arises, so long as the GM is sharp enough to know that you need those types of players to succeed.  Matt D'Agastini, another eminently average NHLer, can be a useful player for a competitive team.

 

Not saying you ignore the safe bets entirely, but they don't really advance the ball so much. 

 

This is silly for a number of reasons.

 

A:  There is no such thing as a safe draft pick.  You are drafting 18 year old players to play in a league where the average age is 27. 

 

B:  The Devils couldn't find a Jay Pandolfo talent easily in 2008 - they paid him $2.5 million a year, which is nearly 5 times the minimum salary at the time.  And somehow he was still in the NHL nearly 5 years later.  Matt D'Agostini is currently making the NHL minimum.  It is not 'easy' to find these players - the Devils have struggled for years to find adequate players for their bottom 2 lines, and have either overpaid free agent age players or dealt draft picks to get them.  If Carter and Bernier replicate last season, how much do you think they cost on the open market?  I think 1.5M per is a decent estimate.

 

C:  Blake Pietila was not taken as a safe draft pick - he was drafted in the 5th round.  Even if safe draft picks exist, which they don't, they certainly don't exist in the 5th round.

 

While I agree with you in principle, Pietila is not an example of what you're talking about.  At all.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:39 PM

This is silly for a number of reasons.

 

A:  There is no such thing as a safe draft pick.  You are drafting 18 year old players to play in a league where the average age is 27. 

 

B:  The Devils couldn't find a Jay Pandolfo talent easily in 2008 - they paid him $2.5 million a year, which is nearly 5 times the minimum salary at the time.  And somehow he was still in the NHL nearly 5 years later.  Matt D'Agostini is currently making the NHL minimum.  It is not 'easy' to find these players - the Devils have struggled for years to find adequate players for their bottom 2 lines, and have either overpaid free agent age players or dealt draft picks to get them.  If Carter and Bernier replicate last season, how much do you think they cost on the open market?  I think 1.5M per is a decent estimate.

 

C:  Blake Pietila was not taken as a safe draft pick - he was drafted in the 5th round.  Even if safe draft picks exist, which they don't, they certainly don't exist in the 5th round.

 

While I agree with you in principle, Pietila is not an example of what you're talking about.  At all.

 

By "safe" pick, it doesn't matter where in the draft he's taken.  So that Pietilla was a fifth rounder is irrelevant.  I'd rather take a chance on a Reid Boucher or Gavrus, or someone like that.  If anything, you take those risks in the later rounds.  And it's funny you bring up how much Pandolfo got paid, considering all we heard was how awful his contract was. 

 

Also, bottom line talent has not been the Devils problem, the past couple of years.  Their fourth line is good for what it is, and all of them make around the league minimun, and all were unwanted free agents.  In fact, all the talk is about the logjam on bottom two lines.   Their problem, especially this year, is scoring on the top lines, although that might change if Jagr, Clowe and Ryder exceed expectations.


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