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#41 peteyvegas51

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:16 PM

I like Gilroy.  I hear the Rangers want to shop him.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:20 PM

Devils turned a corner this off season and the response of this board is a testament to that. When Lou signed Malakhov, everyone was up in arms and we know how that played out. Lets see what has happened so far.

 

1. Cory Schneider: a pure and total heist. Everyone in the league agrees he is a top 5 or top 10 goalie in this league. We traded Nichuskin for Cory Schneider (assuming the Devils would've picked Nichuskin). Its like trading a proven Marty Brodeur calibre goalie for an unproven prospect straight up.

2. Re-Signed Elias, Zubrus: The only negative is the price at which we signed them. I was hoping for Elias around 5mill AAV and Zubrus 2.5mill AAV.

3. Lost Clarkson: Total locker room guy and very well liked by the fans as well. I think Lou turned the page on him at the draft because Lou realized he would stay in Toronto which made it easy to chase the other FAs and address the Devils offensive needs. Also asking price for Clarkson was a little too high. We all know about his on ice coughing up the puck and hoarding the puck etc. Clarkson was at best a 3rd liner.

4. Ryan Clowe: The positive is if this guy pans out, we just added Clarkson + 3, he brings all the elements of Clarkson + skating + goals + assists. On a line with Loki+Kovy or Elias+Zajac, he will create room feed the puck to an open player, in my opinion, a major upgrade on Clarkson. The negative, his injuries. If this guy works out, it will be an awesome signing, if injuries, then lots of I told you so's. Now Lou has the medical reports to support the former. This could be an awesome signing.

5. Olesz: A depth move, very very low risk, great signing for 700k + 300k playing bonus. This guy has enormous potential as per PDB when he played for him in Fla. He has been out for an entire year, its a work in progress.

6. Michael Ryder: 2yrs/7mill. Who would've thunk it. Awesome player, awesome price and on a line with Kovy or Elias.

7. Lost Hedberg: Sigh. Obviously another likeable person with an amazing character, unfortunately, the Devils are at a franchise turning point where Marty is at the verge of retiring and it was a move any GM would have to make.

 

Additions: Legit #1 Goaltender, 2 top 6 forwards, another true top 6 project in Olesz

Retained: 2 top 6 forwards, + hopefully 2 top 6 RFA forwards (Zubrus and JJ could be considered top 9 but they have top 6 potential)

Subtractions: 1 Backup Goaltender, 1 top 9 forward, 4 bottom 6 forwards (Poni/Kostopolous/Sullivan/D'Agostini), 1 top 4 DMan

 

From a forwards perspective, I think the Devils are pretty stacked and set. I mean we have Tedenby, Gionta and Barch as the extra forwards and some AHLers like Reid up and coming.

 

The only place where I feel Lou needs to focus now is defense. The organization still does not have a legit #1 DMan. 2 things on Defense I'd like to see:

1. No true #1 #2 DMen to power the blue line

2. Soft, Slow and Old, no meanies, defense needs to get bigger, meaner and younger

 

Larsson, Greene, maybe Tallinder: Top 4 defensemen

Salvadore, Volchenkov, Fayne, Harrold: Bottom pairings

Larsson has some ways to go before being a top 2 tier Dman, he is not there yet, he may break out this year, who knows. Comparing these guys to Weber, Suter, Stevens, Neidermeyer or Doughty makes one realize how mediocre they are.

 

Now if the season could start tomorrow....

I can agree that the D could definitely be meaner.  But I wouldn't say they are small.  Andy Greene or Harrold are small but, if someone like Urbom or even Gelinas make the lineup, Urbom especially, makes us bigger


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:03 AM

I like Gilroy.  I hear the Rangers want to shop him.

 

Matt Gilroy? The Rangers will have to sign him if they want to shop him. He's a UFA.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 10:04 AM

Well Lou defiently made NJ a much more difficult team to play by upgrading Marty/Moose to Marty/Schneider. That move alone is huge because no more scenarios if Marty goes down we have to ride Moose for 10+ games again (although I like Hedberg), we can rely on an already established, technically sound goalie in Schnedier.

 

Next off the only real departures are Clarkson and Zidlicky (I think he is gone). Clarkson is replaced by Clowe who brings in character to the team, grinding abilities (fit to the NJ system), and hopefully more consistent offense than David Clarkson score 10 goals in 10 games than score 1 goal in 20 games. I would even say this is a win for the team with Clarkson leaving/Clowe coming in as long as Clowe doesn't disappear for long stretches of times like Clarkson did, even if he only puts up 10-15 goals.

 

The Ryder signing is perfect. At the time in the market the only options other the Ryder were guys like Grabovski and Brunner. Ryder is a pure goal scorer no questions asked and that is what a centermen like Zajac needs. Looking back if a very slow, immobile Sykora scored 21 goals with Patrik Elias I see no reason Ryder can't put up 20-35 goals with Elias/Zajac + powerplay time.

 

Olesz seems to be a good depth signing who was just making way to much in Chicago (I think $4M?). Lou probably reliazed he needed a more capable guy to step in to play on the 3rd line instead of shifting guys up and inserting Barch or Sestito. Plus he is young and has some actual skills instead of the strictly forechecking/hitting game of a guy like Sestito.

 

Resigning Zubrus and Elias are no brainers. No explanation to what they bring needed here.

 

So overall, Lou brought in a more consistent Clarkson in Clowe (with less production) but better board play. Aquired a pure goal scorer with Ryder. Added depth with Olesz. And added, for just a prospect an established, elite, young goalie to solidfy the goaltending tandem with Marty.

 

One thing was overshadowed in adding a big time goalie and 3 forwards in free agency: the defense. As of right now locks are Larsson, Greene, Fayne, and Salvador in my eyes. I don't think Zidlicky returns. Ideally a young blueliner is inserted in (Urbom or Gelinas...Merril would be a stretch), and Volchenkov is traded. I only lean towards Volchenkov being traded because the game is only getting faster and Volch is only getting slower. And we already have a Volchenkov with Salvador and Lou isn't trading the captain. So I'm hoping Lou trades Volchenkov to a team needing to be bigger, need some experience/veteran leadership on their 3rd defensive pairing who is a PK specialist + a prospect of some kind in exchange for a pick/prospect.

 

Whats better, next year we would have tons of options with Volchenkov gone, Tallinders contract ending, etc. to open up another spot for a rookie or go look for a established D in the trade market and FA market. There would also be the option to trade both Volchenkov and Tallinder, bring back Zidlicky and let a rookie play.

 

Scenario 1: Keep Everyone (ignore what sides and pairings they are on)

Greene-Larsson

Fayne-Salvador

Volchenkov-Tallinder

Harrold

 

Scenario 2: Trade Volchenkov/Tallinder

Greene-Larsson

Fayne-Salvador

Urbom/Gelinas-Tallinder

Harrold

 

Scenario 3: Trade Both Volch/Tallinder + bring back Zidlicky and let a rookie play

Greene-Larsson

Fayne-Zidlicky

Salvador-Urbom/Gelinas

Harrold

 

Scenario 4: Trade Both Volch/Tallinder + let 2 rookies play!

Greene-Larsson

Fayne-Urbom

Salvador-Gelinas

Harrold

 

So after these moves and guessing that Lou trades a veteran D to open a spot for a rookie I would like the lines to be:

 

Henrique - Loktionov - Kovalchuk

Elias - Zajac - Ryder

Zubrus - Josefson - Clowe

Olesz - Carter - Bernier

Gionta, Barch

 

or

 

Zubrus - Loktionov - Kovalchuk

Elias - Zajac - Ryder

Josefson - Henrique - Clowe

Olesz - Carter - Bernier

Gionta, Barch

 

or

 

Zubrus - Zajac - Kovalchuk

Elias - Henrique - Ryder

Clowe - Loktionov - Tedenby

Carter- Josefson - Bernier

Olesz, Gionta, Barch

 

and

 

Greene - Larsson

Fayne - Urbom/Gelinas

Salvador - Tallinder/Volchenkov

 

and PP1

 

-----------Clowe-----------

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--Ryder---------------Elias---

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-----Kovalchuk------Greene/Larsson


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:36 PM

I really like where the team is/is going. I felt the needs of the franchise are getting addressed. I was very worried about what would happen with goaltending after Brodeur leaves. Trading the 9th overall for Schneider was a perfect solution to our questionable future in net.

 

I thought the Devils would for sure draft a forward and rush them to be part of the top 6 for next season. I'm glad we signed the players we did though. I'll miss Clarkson but I've always liked Clowe. He's a better scorer and skater than Clarkson but is questionable in regards to his health. I think we did overpay for him; 4 years and $16 M I think would have been more appropriate but that's what the going rate for that type of forward was this off season. The Ryder signing is purely amazing in terms of both years and money. 

 

I also like the trading of Tallinder. It definitely is time to let the younger D get a chance. Just thinking of Larsson, Urbom, Gelinas, Burlon, Merill etc. in the next few years is purely amazing. I would have probably used a regular buyout on Hedberg and a compliance buyout on Volchenkov while trading Tallinder but I guess Lou feels Volchenkov can bounce back next season and if he doesn't can get bought out then.

 

My favorite part is that next off season looking at our forwards we have Kovalchuk, Zajac, Elias, Ryder, Clowe, Zubrus, Josefson & Henrique still on contract (assuming Josefson and Henrique sign 2+ year contracts). Meaning those who are consistently productive will be here and all of our depth players will be playing for contracts. Then there can be more focus on upgrading our D, extending Schneider and retaining those helpful depth forwards.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 09:50 PM

What is Zid worth on the open market?
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:44 PM

As a 53% team

Clowe - Loktionov - Kovalchuk (60%)

Elias - Zajac - Ryder (45%)

Henrique - Josefson - Zubrus (48%)

Olesz - Carter - Bernier (50%)

 

Greene - Larsson

Merrill - Volchenkov

Salvador - Fayne

Harrold

 

Schnieder

Brodeur


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:09 PM

What's the percentages? Zone start?
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:34 PM

What's the percentages? Zone start?


Either that or fenwick.

But probably zone start since Elias and Zajac are ~55% possession players
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 04:49 PM

Either that or fenwick.

But probably zone start since Elias and Zajac are ~55% possession players

That's what I thought but I wouldn't have thought Kovy would be on a line firing at 60% since he's not the best corsi player. The zone start confused me because what's the 53%? Is that the total amount of faceoffs?
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 05:10 PM

I'm extremely psyched about our team now actually.. We basically upgraded goalie and added a very decent sniper. If we stay healthy this year we're going deep baby! :D


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 05:43 PM

That's what I thought but I wouldn't have thought Kovy would be on a line firing at 60% since he's not the best corsi player. The zone start confused me because what's the 53%? Is that the total amount of faceoffs?

 

No, it's zone start.  I would jam up a Henrique-Josefson-Zubrus line with 40% ZS myself - no need to use Ryder that way.  If they wanted to go Elias-Zajac-Zubrus this line would get 40% ZS.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:12 PM

Yea I thought about that. The Josefson line are all above average defensive players so they could easily handle the ZS. I really like the way DeBoer handles the minutes up front so I trust he will find the right combination.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 11:08 AM

looking at this (and lets say we're signing Brunner) is making you realize that we have a pretty young team with lots of player in their prime age.Only a few 30+

 

Elias (37) - Zajac (28) - Ryder (33)
Clowe (30) - Loktionov (23) - Brunner (27)
Henrique (23) - Josefson (22) - Zubrus (35)
Olesz (27) - Carter (29) -Bernier (28)

Tedenby (23) - Gionta (29) - Boucher (19)

 

Larsson (20) - Greene (30)

Fayne (26) - Salvador (37)

Volchenkov (31) - Zidlicky (36)

Harrold (30)

 

Gelinas (22) - Urbom (22)

Merril (21) - Severson (18)

 

Brodeur (41)

Schneider (27)


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:07 PM

Do not get me wrong, losing Kovalchuk is a massive blow to the Devils in terms of offensive production & game changing ability but some Devil fans and alot of other NHL fans all of a sudden act like the Devils are the new Panthers.

 

We still have a solid defensive core, Marty now has an elite goalie in Schnedier as a goalie partner, and although the Devils aren't the best offensive team they are still chalk full of defensively sound, experienced, 2 way forwards.

 

Look losing Clarkson (lets say 20 goals on avg.) and Kovalchuk (35 avg.) is losing about 50-60 goals relastically. Factor in that Zajac/Clowe are coming off "off" years and the Devils adding goal scorers/offensively minded players like Ryder (atleast 20-25 goals) and Brunner (atleast 15ish) the difference will be made up.

 

Maybe I'm just denying the fact that the Devils are a horrible team, but I truly believe with upgraded goaltending, a new "all team" mentality (no superstar anymore just a team), and guys like Brunner/Ryder + Zajac/Henrique/Clowe coming off "off" years the Devils will be as competitive as hell.

 

Its not like all of a sudden Zajac, Elias, Henrique, Zubrus, Clowe, etc. are an easy forward group to beat up on. They are responisble both ways and have that grinding gear.

 

More then ever this group will have to be a team. The support of this team isn't a single stand in the middle anymore its many different stands surrounding the table.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:58 PM

If the Devils do not sign Brunner or Jagr, here is what we're looking at:

 

Elias-Zajac-Ryder

Henrique-Loktionov-Clowe

Olesz-Josefson-Zubrus

Tedenby/Carter-Carter/Gionta-Bernier

 

Greene-Larsson

Salvador-Fayne

Volchenkov-Zidlicky

 

Brodeur

Schneider

 

It isn't flashy, but a breakout season from Zajac, Henrique, Josefson, Loktionov, or even Olesz (wishful thinking maybe, I know) could make things look a lot better. And honestly, I don't mind it. But regardless, signing one more forward seems to be what we need.

 

On another note, Loktionov has made it clear that the KHL was an option for him during his LA days. I really hope he won't follow Kovalchuk over there.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:08 PM

the problem is that...  we know our players and have a tendencies to overate them, of course they are all "solid versatile NHL player" ... but look at our roster on paper and compare it with most of the other teams. Thats when you realize that were not is as much a good situation that you think, we dont have much player who can take a game all by themselves or gamebreakers. 

 

lets just hope the guys play as a team and play the system well cause you can still win that way but we lost a lot of skills and heart in the last few years its definitely gonna hurt im afraid. But at the same time you have good looking roster on paper who cant do sh!t, so we'll see i guess


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:39 PM

I'm kind of excited to see what we do with Olesz. Like Carter and Bernier he played under DeBoer


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:51 PM

yea i've seen a lot of people so far overrating our team as it now stands.  i hope everyone realizes that we are truthfully in trouble and we will have to get very lucky to make the playoffs with this roster


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:51 AM

I don't think I'm overrating them. I'm not saying they're going to the finals this year either, but for people to say that the Devils are one of the best teams in the league with Kovalchuk, and not even making the playoffs without him is a bit ridiculous. Teams with solid goaltending and defense but not much firepower can still be successful. This year, I think we're improving on defense, too.

 

With the current roster, I'm not exactly expecting many 60+ point players, but there are definitely some guys who could break 50. Is that unrealistic?

 

But if you think the team is hopeless now, Brunner or Jagr or whoever else could be had through free agency will not save it.


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