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#61 Triumph

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:46 AM

Defense and goaltending are better to have than offense in the 2-1-0 loser point NHL because NJ can play a bunch of 1-1 games that go to OT and they can end up with extra points as a result.

 

It's possible that Kovalchuk acted as a bit of a defensive forward because of his ability to break the puck out and keep it away from the opposition, so we'll see about that - he might've been unwittingly suppressing the opposition's shots (even as he was definitely suppressing his own team's)

 

Still not that worried about his loss.  Yeah, he had 5-10 games a year where he was by far the best player on the ice.  He also had 40 where he wasn't close to being that.  


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:03 PM

I hate doing this because a lot of goal scoring relies on luck, linemates, etc. But I'm going to take a stab at this:

 

Ryder (~ 30)

Elias/Henrique/Brunner (~20)

Zajac/Clowe/Zubrus (~15)

Bernier/Loktionov/Carter/Josefson (~10)

 

Adding that up and then giving them another 10 from Olesz and Gionta combined, totals 185 from the forwards. I also believe I am shortchanging some forwards like Elias and Clowe.

 

Compare that to 2011-2012 when our forwards scored exactly 200 goals. Not exactly a huge difference and I believe we have a more offensive minded defense than we did a couple of years ago. Combine that with a .920 from Schneider and I see no reason why we cant make the playoffs


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:37 PM

I don't think I'm overrating them. I'm not saying they're going to the finals this year either, but for people to say that the Devils are one of the best teams in the league with Kovalchuk, and not even making the playoffs without him is a bit ridiculous. Teams with solid goaltending and defense but not much firepower can still be successful. This year, I think we're improving on defense, too.

With the current roster, I'm not exactly expecting many 60+ point players, but there are definitely some guys who could break 50. Is that unrealistic?

But if you think the team is hopeless now, Brunner or Jagr or whoever else could be had through free agency will not save it.

Which is why holding out for a star signing in the next year or two might be the only legitimate answer to the retirement
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:33 PM

Hoping carter hits 20+ goals this yr. His play has improved so much in the past two season.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:36 PM

I hate doing this because a lot of goal scoring relies on luck, linemates, etc. But I'm going to take a stab at this:
 
Ryder (~ 30)
Elias/Henrique/Brunner (~20)
Zajac/Clowe/Zubrus (~15)
Bernier/Loktionov/Carter/Josefson (~10)
 
Adding that up and then giving them another 10 from Olesz and Gionta combined, totals 185 from the forwards. I also believe I am shortchanging some forwards like Elias and Clowe.
 
Compare that to 2011-2012 when our forwards scored exactly 200 goals. Not exactly a huge difference and I believe we have a more offensive minded defense than we did a couple of years ago. Combine that with a .920 from Schneider and I see no reason why we cant make the playoffs

i like what you did here... with this team as long as everyone can click and fall into place together well i dont see why it doesnt seem like it will be productive to people?... if everyone connects with one another i think he can have a succesful season.. still have to wait and see who else we are going to get we have alot of new faces on this team for this next season
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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:26 AM

I gotta say if we can sign brunner and raymond or just one or the other i will be VERY excited for this yr. The team will be worlds better than they were last year even without that commy on the team. I wouldnt mind picking up dan cleary if we missed out on raymond. But brunner would be a big signing that this team could really use.

Im also not sure how you can plug josefson in for 10+ goals. he'll be lucky to make this team if we sign anymore NHLers
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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:33 AM

If we sign Brunner, Grabovski, Raymond or Boyes, I am a lot more excited about team than I was two weeks ago.  I think we are starting to get back to the basics of winning hockey.  Better goaltending, better defense, and much more competitive upfront now that we are looking to go back to rolling four lines.   I am really excited for next season.

 

I am looking into re-newing my season tickets that I cancelled the past few years.     


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 01:18 AM

The way I see it, we have a big gap at RW

 

LW                       RW                        C

Elias                     Ryder                    Zajac

Tedenby               Zubrus                  Henrique

Clowe                  Bernier                  Loktionov

Carter                                                Gionta

Olesz                                                 Josefson

Barch

 

So if we ever do end up signing Brunner, or we end up trading for a scoring RW a la Stewart, we can have a decent top 6 with a real solid bottom 6 that can fill in on a scoring role. We'll still have to be a scoring by committee team but those are the teams that win cups anyway. (Optimism)


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 09:10 AM

The way I see it, we have a big gap at RW

 

LW                       RW                        C

Elias                     Ryder                    Zajac

Tedenby               Zubrus                  Henrique

Clowe                  Bernier                  Loktionov

Carter                                                Gionta

Olesz                                                 Josefson

Barch

 

So if we ever do end up signing Brunner, or we end up trading for a scoring RW a la Stewart, we can have a decent top 6 with a real solid bottom 6 that can fill in on a scoring role. We'll still have to be a scoring by committee team but those are the teams that win cups anyway. (Optimism)

 

Henrique should really be on the wing and not a center IMO.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 10:43 AM

Henrique should really be on the wing and not a center IMO.

I could see that happening, I would only do it if Elias moves back to center though, imagine a line of :

 

Clowe-Elias-Ryder

 

Then again, keeping Henrique as a pivot so that we have a high scoring center isn't the worst thing in the world. I think with the right linemates Henrique can score 30 goals, he was on pace for 22 last year if it was a full season. Not many teams have a center who can score 30.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 11:30 AM

This team is horrible offensively and nobody really wants to admit it.  To win games you have to score goals and create quality scoring opportunities in excess.  The D is the same D we've had.  Goaltending is tbd.  Offensively... we suck!  After the first game Kovy missed in the streak I commented on how bad this team was without him and got lambasted.  The team went on to lose 10 in a row.  Lou has to make a huge trade to fix this mess on offense.  Ryder has been a pretty good scorer on other teams but how bad will the Devils' scoring curse hit him?  We need a difference maker and we have nothing close.  Lou is going to have pie all over his face when this team finishes in the lottery without a lottery pick.  Something must be done now.  Status quo will not get it done!  Some favorites are probably going to have to go to get it done.  But, if Lou is serious about being competitive this year he needs to make a big play!


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:12 PM

I LIKE this team right now, its much better than last year.  I think the kids will get the playing time this year to elevate their game.

 

I expect a lot out of Josefson and from what I am reading about Matteau he is supposedly ready to make the big team and contribute.     I am hoping Lou can get one more wing Brunner, Grabovski or Raymond.   And I think we are set.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:17 PM

Except Henrique was awful last year, and looked completely out of place at times without Zach and Kovy on his wings.  Granted, he had quite a bit of bad luck, or so it seemed, but still.  I think 30 goals is completely unrealistic.    

 

This team doesn't excite me offensively right now - if you'd like to call Clarkson and Clowe a wash (which is generous for Clowe), then this team lost 70ish goals on the wings between Kovy and Parise the past two years, and have replaced that production with Ryder (who I expect scores around 20).  

 

I expect Zajac to be less...useless this season, but hoping and praying one of the youngsters can make up that difference is a stretch.  Who honestly expects Teddy to stick?  And I think 15-20-35 would be great seasons for Josefson and Lokti.

 

This team needs another scorer.  Doesn't have to be (and most likely won't be) a star player.  But just someone who can score some goals.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:18 PM

I LIKE this team right now, its much better than last year.  I think the kids will get the playing time this year to elevate their game.

 

I expect a lot out of Josefson and from what I am reading about Matteau he is supposedly ready to make the big team and contribute.     I am hoping Lou can get one more wing Brunner, Grabovski or Raymond.   And I think we are set.

If Matteau can contribute that would be HUGE. The problem is, I liked his game best, from at least what we saw last year when he was on a line with Kovy. And I'm pretty sure Zajac centered that line, so you had two great forwards on a line with him to allow him to play his game to the fullest and not worry about mistakes. So what do we do this year? Put him on a top line with Trav and Elais? Or do you throw him on a third with Josefson, a good playmaker, albeit, but still a fairly inexperienced NHL center.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:37 PM

I'm hoping Olesz fits in with Carter and Bernier. We can replace the CBGB line with the FeLine. Get it? They all played for FLA, the Panthers, Cats? Forget it.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 01:02 PM

Except Henrique was awful last year, and looked completely out of place at times without Zach and Kovy on his wings.  Granted, he had quite a bit of bad luck, or so it seemed, but still.  I think 30 goals is completely unrealistic.    

 

This team doesn't excite me offensively right now - if you'd like to call Clarkson and Clowe a wash (which is generous for Clowe), then this team lost 70ish goals on the wings between Kovy and Parise the past two years, and have replaced that production with Ryder (who I expect scores around 20).  

 

I expect Zajac to be less...useless this season, but hoping and praying one of the youngsters can make up that difference is a stretch.  Who honestly expects Teddy to stick?  And I think 15-20-35 would be great seasons for Josefson and Lokti.

 

This team needs another scorer.  Doesn't have to be (and most likely won't be) a star player.  But just someone who can score some goals.

If we can add a top 6 winger this team will have a good amount of depth. I think Tedenby can make the team this year, the opportunity is there, he's done his time in the minors, the way I see it the only person holding him back is himself. If he can put on some weight this offseason I really don't see why he can't make the team. He has the skill and the passion. He just needs some fine tuning and a top 6 scoring role, which is available for the taking.

 

Also as far as Henrique goes, yeah he had a pretty lackluster season last year but I accredit that to a sophomore slump, he'll be back in form this year.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 03:48 PM

If Matteau can contribute that would be HUGE. The problem is, I liked his game best, from at least what we saw last year when he was on a line with Kovy. And I'm pretty sure Zajac centered that line, so you had two great forwards on a line with him to allow him to play his game to the fullest and not worry about mistakes. So what do we do this year? Put him on a top line with Trav and Elais? Or do you throw him on a third with Josefson, a good playmaker, albeit, but still a fairly inexperienced NHL center.

 

Kovy was a do it himself type of player, so I don't put much stock in last season   Elias is such a great teacher, and has the best hockey IQ in the world, he would immediately help Matteau be in the best position to succeed.   Elias helped Sykora get back into being a goal scorer a few years ago.   I would hope that Matteau gets to learn from playing with Patty how to play the game correctly.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 03:58 PM

Kovy was a do it himself type of player, so I don't put much stock in last season   Elias is such a great teacher, and has the best hockey IQ in the world, he would immediately help Matteau be in the best position to succeed.   Elias helped Sykora get back into being a goal scorer a few years ago.   I would hope that Matteau gets to learn from playing with Patty how to play the game correctly.

 

1) Kovalchuk's biggest fault while he was here was that he was too unselfish and didn't shoot the puck more often.

2) The Devils lost 10 in a row without Kovalchuk.

3) The great Patrik Elias had 1 goal and 1 assist when Kovalchuk was out of the lineup.

4) Matteau played as well as he could in his short stint as an 18-year old in the NHL. It wasn't going to be much different who he played with.

5) Stop trolling. We got enough Kovy BS for years. Of course the year he was 5th in scoring and leading the Devils to the Cup Finals, you were absent. 


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 04:19 PM

1) Kovalchuk's biggest fault while he was here was that he was too unselfish and didn't shoot the puck more. 

2) The Devils lost 10 in a row without Kovalchuk.

3) The great Patrik Elias had 1 goal and 1 assist when Kovalchuk was out of the lineup.

4) Matteau played as well as he could in his short stint as an 18-year old in the NHL. It wasn't going to be much different who he played with.

5) Stop trolling. We got enough Kovy and BS for years. Of course the year he was 5th in scoring and leading the Devils to the Cup Finals, you were absent. 

 

Hear hear.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 05:37 PM

Just my opinion but I never thougth Matteau/Kovalchuk on the same line was a good idea.

 

I like the idea of Matteau with an industrious winger/center like Henrique.


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