oh i was not following the discussion just adding a general fact
does luck not sometimes factor in? In baseball where #s are more reliable it'd seem, there's still luck. In every facet of life there's luck. He's right more often than people who don't use advanced stats even if they're not perfect. There are some outliers with it like Daniel Winnick and so far Couturier and Kovy on the other end but for the most part, advanced stats do seem to work. Not everything can be 100% accurate though, and he's certainly right using the stats along w/ the eye test more than someone who just uses one or the other
edit: and when someone's citing +/- you know they have no idea what they're talking about
edit 2: just watch the Leafs next year as a litmus test for advanced stats. They were gonna fall off anyway bc they clearly got lucky this year no matter what their asst coach says, and they got rid of some of their best possession players (MacArthur/Grabbo/Frattin) and got nothing but a backup goalie back. They'll be horrible.
Edited by DH26, 18 July 2013 - 02:30 PM.