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#61 Z-Man

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 02:59 PM

Like that it means giving someone an opportunity, but Tallinder was (and still is) an excellent defenseman.

Overstatement of the year.  Tri, you must've had one too many bloody marys at brunch.  Tallinder is serviceable at best, and can't exactly stay healthy.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 02:59 PM

I think people are jumping the gun on Volchenkov a little bit. Yes, he's slow and makes some mistakes, but not all defenseman have to be speed demons, and he still has some good NHL-level skills that he brings to the table. None of our other D-men come close to matching his level of ferocious, physical play, and we all know he is willing to sacrifice his body night in and night out blocking shots and taking hits. You need guys like that. He has been declining overall in his play but I think he can still be an effective role player for at least one more season, especially on the penalty kill. If you want to raise your pitchforks at someone, make it Salvador, not A-train.

 

As for Tallinder, I echo the sentiments of others that it's a shame that he was the odd-man out, as I always thought he was a steady, reliable d-man for us. It's too bad we couldn't get anything of value back for him, Buffalo really got a steal in this trade, but it was a necessity to make salary and roster space. If Zidlicky comes back, fine. If not, I hope one of the young guys earns the spot. We've been talking about some of these guys for a few seasons now, it would be nice to see one of them crack the line-up.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 03:05 PM

I think most of you are delusional today.

 

- Tallinder will be a UFA next year. 

- Can't stay healthy - only played 64 games over the last two years.

- Makes $3.5 million, and will turn 35 during next season.

 

If the young guys are ready, why block them with an aging, serviceable defenseman who's overpaid and may not stay healthy to begin with?


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 03:12 PM

Good move. I'd rather have 7 good dmen than 8.

 

Sal Greene

Larsson Fayne

Volch Urbom/Gelinas/Merrill

 

Harrold

 

Next year, buy out Volch, move up another kid.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 03:22 PM

I think most of you are delusional today.

 

- Tallinder will be a UFA next year. 

- Can't stay healthy - only played 64 games over the last two years.

- Makes $3.5 million, and will turn 35 during next season.

 

If the young guys are ready, why block them with an aging, serviceable defenseman who's overpaid and may not stay healthy to begin with?

 

Tallinder's major injury was a blood clot, which while people can be more or less prone to them, are treatable.  He was a healthy scratch for several games last year.

 

Tallinder is not overpaid.

 

Tallinder is likely better than the young D would be, and could even be much better.

 

I mean - yeah, I see the rationale for the move even absent the financial considerations, but the Devils are worse today.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 03:24 PM

Would you guys want Gelinas or Urbom to take his place?

Honestly, who cares, whoever earns the job will have it, I just want whichever is going to contribute. Also, add Merrill and Severson to your list.
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 03:33 PM

I don't know how anyone can be happy about salary dump until we see what Lou does with it. If you love Tallinder or not, the Devils defense does not get better with Harrold and one of the rookies playing a lot more. 

 

You expect Salvador to struggle at times. Everyone last year was giving it to Volchenkov. You aren't sure what you'll get from Larsson. Tallinder would have been nice to have. Now even if this was expected or not, still not a wonderful move.

 

Another thing: I think the return for Tallinder goes to show how little respect the Devils defense gets around the league. It has the "no-name defense" label for a while now, and I think this only perpetuates it a bit. It took the only other team that's ever know him to get a deal done. Remember, team USA didn't even ask Andy Greene if he wanted to play last year at the World Championships. And they ended up taking Chris Butler, Justin Faulk, Matt Hunwick and Jake Trouba on D.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 03:36 PM

I think long term, they benefit from playing the kids. Even if a guy like Urbom is a downgrade from Tally, he needs the experience, and he's not going to get it with Tally playing. 2 or 3 years down th eline, we'll hopefully appreciate this move working out. If we don't, it's because our young dmen aren't as good as we hoped, not because it wasn't a smart move.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 03:49 PM

Really don't think tallinder getting traded makes us worse.
For starters, I value tallinder a little more than the majority of Devils fans do. I really think he got the short end of the stick here. With that said, the guy barely plays. He wasn't making much of an impact over the last 3 seasons.
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 03:53 PM

I don't know how anyone can be happy about salary dump until we see what Lou does with it. If you love Tallinder or not, the Devils defense does not get better with Harrold and one of the rookies playing a lot more. 

 

You expect Salvador to struggle at times. Everyone last year was giving it to Volchenkov. You aren't sure what you'll get from Larsson. Tallinder would have been nice to have. Now even if this was expected or not, still not a wonderful move.

 

Another thing: I think the return for Tallinder goes to show how little respect the Devils defense gets around the league. It has the "no-name defense" label for a while now, and I think this only perpetuates it a bit. It took the only other team that's ever know him to get a deal done. Remember, team USA didn't even ask Andy Greene if he wanted to play last year at the World Championships. And they ended up taking Chris Butler, Justin Faulk, Matt Hunwick and Jake Trouba on D.

 

I think sending Henrik to the Sabres was a favor to Henrik, not necessarily a comment on his value.

 

Faulk is better than Greene, and even so, the US has typically used the World Championships as a trying ground for young players.  I can't imagine they actually thought someone like Jake Trouba was better than Greene.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 04:12 PM

Cap aside they couldn't have another season of the 8-D abomination that stunted Larsson and Fayne last year.
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 04:36 PM

With an aging Tallinder I like it
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 05:10 PM

I think sending Henrik to the Sabres was a favor to Henrik, not necessarily a comment on his value.

Faulk is better than Greene, and even so, the US has typically used the World Championships as a trying ground for young players. I can't imagine they actually thought someone like Jake Trouba was better than Greene.


This. I think the lame return was because buffalo knew they had Lou in a spot where he needed to dump cap and he wanted to do well by Tallinder.
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 06:03 PM

I knew it.  Good move for the Devils.   We have too many young defensemen that are quicker, less injury prone, and a lot more offensive upside.   Hopefully, this gets us Zidlicky.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 06:35 PM

This was a necessary move to free up the log jam.  I think it's going to be Merrill who gets the spot.  His short stay in Albany was much like Zajac's prior to his first NHL season.  I'm not sure what happens with Urbom from here.  They'll make it look like a competition in camp but unless Merrill totally bombs I'd bet the house on him being on the roster opening night.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 06:55 PM

Larsson is taking Tallinders minutes. Merrill will be brought along slowly like all young defenseman. If he makes the big team.
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:03 PM

I don't get to watch every game because I'm in South Jersey where there's no MSG. But when I did get to see the Devs play, and Tallinder had the puck, it seemed to me as often as not he just coughed it up to the nearest opposing forward. I must have missed the games where he was a good to excellent defenseman, because he was mostly awful when I was watching.

 

I would like to see the kids play as well, to see if any of them has what it takes. We've gotten an upgrade in goal, so NOW is the time.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:04 PM

As has been said before, this is a move that needed to be made. Like it or not, it was clear that Tallinder was considered expendable last season. His contract is the easiest to get rid of, he still has skill and we need to make room for our young D.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:10 PM

I liked a lot about Talinder but I did find him frustrating. But I felt like he was sincere. That could be read as weak. I feel the Devils sacrificed value for sure. But it's probably the best all-around option for both teams and players. It's a decent karma move.

I'm far from heaving a deep sigh of relief ill tell you that much, nor am I too cut up. Fair enough is about what I can muster
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:26 PM

Maybe this also means that there wasn't any thing else out their for Lou other then a crap return. And this doesn't make us any worse.

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