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#261 Triumph

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:36 AM

Kovalchuk is not a top 20 player in the league or anywhere close.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:52 AM

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:27 AM

Do you guys really think Kovy just pulled up out of the blue and left. This had management/NHL written all over it. Kovy planned in leaving, just not this soon. Factor in trying to sell the team, after adding all the FA's and to me it becomes quite clear. I don't think we should have lost the pick the first time for circumvention, but maybe it all evens out on this move. Just wish he put #28 in his baggage when he left. The only other angle I see is the NHL not going to Sochi.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:06 AM

For the RECORD. Tg talked with lou. He said there wasn't any conversations throughout the year regarding this and if this happened earlier would be have pursued others and lou said it is what it is we have to move forward
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:17 AM

My last memory of Kovy as a Devil was showing absolutely no effort backchecking while on the powerplay against the Rangers in the season finale. What a fitting ending.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:31 AM

A telling quote from Marty form TG's Blog:

 

 

Brodeur noted that the ordeal Kovalchuk went through just to re-sign with the Devils in 2010 might have factored into his dissatisfaction with the NHL and “I know he wasn’t happy about the escrow”.

 

If the money was the only thing keeping him in the NHL he really shouldnt have signed in the first place.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:34 AM

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:36 AM

Kovalchuk is not a top 20 player in the league or anywhere close.

 

NOW you say this?????


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:38 AM

My last memory of Kovy as a Devil was showing absolutely no effort backchecking while on the powerplay against the Rangers in the season finale. What a fitting ending.

 

yep. i remember that i was furious about his effort, even in a meaningless game. this effort will bring him 10$M per year from his buddy Medvedev, playing for SKA St.Petersburg.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:40 AM

Kovy how could you? This is unbelievable. You came to NJ as a lazy forward who wouldn't backcheck and you left being the most feared pk'er in the league. Devils fans argued for your sake non stop. Last year Parise leaving was anger inducing, knowing him and Suter were texting about it in the finals (preoccupied much?), but this? This is just absolutely heartbreaking... I wouldn't wish this upon any team. It's been a pleasure watching Kovy and one day to look back on it but right now this is the only song that fits: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=CnQ8N1KacJc


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:48 AM

If there is a mass exodus then fine.  Soccer players are real dorks and it makes the game less fun having that greed on a global level, I personally feel.  If the NHL turns into a game of a bunch of sentimental Clarkson types, with a deep commitment to community, so much the better.  If the NHL tries to pull out the wallet like some monied jackass - well then the sport is ruined. I need there to be an element of deep and abiding emotional investment from my sporting events. I can't be the only one out there who loves hockey - the players and organization needs to as well - it's just a deeper level of commitment to the sporting community -- not to money or winning alone.  If we can't have players like Elias, Danyko, Brodeur and Stevens then I'll just stick with College sports.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:49 AM

I don't know, I'm upset but I'm over it if it makes any sense. I just feel like a players that gets injured...nothing we can really do about it and at least we aren't stuck with the Cap hit and still don't have the player. I think Lou has to look to Boston in his signings as we need to replace 3 30 goal scorers in Parise, Kovy and Clarkson (I know the last one seems like a stretch) but if you add that plus Sykora you still have a large loss. I think the devils can do this but I think its most effective if they are able to emulate that large 4 line pounding team which isn't so much one player but 4 consistent hard hitting lines...just my opinion.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:52 AM

NOW you say this?????

 

Tri has changed his definition of what Kovy is multiple times throughout his career here.  At the same time, the Kovy that retired was a different player than the one that played for the Thrashers (though I think he's going to become that again in the KHL).

 

Remember young Forrest Gump, with the leg braces?  I think that's what playing for the Devils felt like to Kovy.  Remember when Forrest started RUN-NING and the braces came flying off?  I think that's how Kovy felt when he played in the KHL.   


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:03 AM

NOW you say this?????

YES!  Because you have to support even the most sh!tty of decisions and commit fully to them for any HOPE of having them succeed.  You have to have your teams back once they're committed.  You can freak until and up to the point it's no longer salvageable.

 

There is no hypocrisy in keeping a positive outlook.  That's they way you make a success of things.  of LIFE.  Bitching solves nothing.  How many people wrote that even?  "Not happy with the Kovalchuk contract but it's done and we have to make the best of things." So many people tried to explain this to you.  The seemingly biggest supporters of the deal woudl come out and agree with your grousing to a point -- to a point.  THAT is the point. It's not about being right or truthful because there's no such thing in subjective situation -- it's about moving forward with vitality and a positive outlook.  THIS is why everyone was so angry with you -- I told you as much THOUSANDS of times!!  SOOOO many people said Manta has a point but what's the good in moving forward with all that negativity. 

 

:saddevil:  But you do win I told you so privileges :giggle:

 

As for Kovalchuk -- well, it wasn't lost on me that two years of the guy and we never even made the playoffs.  not his fault of course - but still not a fact lost on most of us I'd guess.  Personally I found him a drag.  How annoyed was I to see his dancing video - he still was a big wet blanket - but he was relaxed and having fun.  How long does it take to learn the system then LIGHTEN THE fvck UP already.  Parise never lightened up either - Elias is sneaky because he IS that light - but players don't quite understand it sometimes I think.  Czecs are cool - they remind me of German Americans.  (I LOVE stereotyping!! :giggle:)


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:06 AM

If there is a mass exodus then fine. Soccer players are real dorks and it makes the game less fun having that greed on a global level, I personally feel. If the NHL turns into a game of a bunch of sentimental Clarkson types, with a deep commitment to community, so much the better. If the NHL tries to pull out the wallet like some monied jackass - well then the sport is ruined. I need there to be an element of deep and abiding emotional investment from my sporting events. I can't be the only one out there who loves hockey - the players and organization needs to as well - it's just a deeper level of commitment to the sporting community -- not to money or winning alone. If we can't have players like Elias, Danyko, Brodeur and Stevens then I'll just stick with College sports.



College sports is an even bigger financial debacle. Don't kid urself.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:10 AM

Tri has changed his definition of what Kovy is multiple times throughout his career here.  At the same time, the Kovy that retired was a different player than the one that played for the Thrashers (though I think he's going to become that again in the KHL).

 

Remember young Forrest Gump, with the leg braces?  I think that's what playing for the Devils felt like to Kovy.  Remember when Forrest started RUN-NING and the braces came flying off?  I think that's how Kovy felt when he played in the KHL.   

nice analogy -- thing that gets me mad is HE ut the braces there.  HE had to take them the fvck off to get this team anywhere and he just didn't knwo how.  That was the entire problem.  He's a quitter - lazy -- so, we all knew it.  Talented people can so often be because they never HAD to work.  Kovy just didn't knwo how to work joyfully. 

 

Guys... I love Elias.  Seriously -- I'm getting misty thinking about how great he is.  I cannot wait to cheer his number going up in the rafters.  I hate ot say it... but he's ready to be the captain now.  He's a dad... I think he should be asked abotu how he feels about it.  If he feels good about it he really should just step up and do it.  It will be seriously fun for him. 

 

I LOVE growing up!  I love aging!!!  It's such a gift - life is.  :wub:  heeheeheehee -- OK  back to work now.


College sports is an even bigger financial debacle. Don't kid urself.

Yeah -- but you have the consistent community and history.  You dont have that in professional sports teams.  They can close up shop any time.  University sports... unless you go to bumblefvck community college you're pretty safe.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:16 AM

Tri has changed his definition of what Kovy is multiple times throughout his career here.  At the same time, the Kovy that retired was a different player than the one that played for the Thrashers (though I think he's going to become that again in the KHL).

 

Remember young Forrest Gump, with the leg braces?  I think that's what playing for the Devils felt like to Kovy.  Remember when Forrest started RUN-NING and the braces came flying off?  I think that's how Kovy felt when he played in the KHL.   

 

I am going to disagree with that point.   I thought he became a better all-around player with the Devils, but he was overused to the detriment of the rest of the team and himself.   The way he has been used his career was taking a toll on his body.

 

My last memory of him was coughing the puck up on the PP in a must win game last year and just half-assing it afterword.   I think either McGuire or  Olcyk called him out on the play for his poor effort.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:16 AM

Kovalchuk is not a top 20 player in the league or anywhere close.

Would be interesting to see your list..


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:21 AM

I am going to disagree with that point.   I thought he became a better all-around player with the Devils, but he was overused to the detriment of the rest of the team and himself.   The way he has been used his career was taking a toll on his body.

 

My last memory of him was coughing the puck up on the PP in a must win game last year and just half-assing it afterword.   I think either McGuire or  Olcyk called him out on the play for his poor effort.

 

What are you disagreeing with exactly? 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:22 AM

The more I read, the more I realize this was a mutual decision. 

1) Kovalchuk was very outspoken during the end of the lockout saying he would not come back if he doesnt like the deal. Almost didn't return. 

2) The Devils never expected Kovalchuk to play the entire length of the deal. He will be 42 when it expires. Think about how ridiculously front-loaded the original deal was structured and it was done under the old CBA where if he retired, the salary comes off the cap.

3) The re-capture is lowest THIS year. If he "retired" next year, the cap hit would be just under $700K. If he retired the following year it goes up to $1.2MM. If he retired when he 37, the hit is $4.67MM, when he is 39, the hit is $4MM. At 35, the re-capture hit is $3.666MM, at 36-39 it is $4MM and up. 

4) If the Devils amnestied him next off-season, they would be on the hook for a lot of cash. Considering their rumored financial situation, they likely do not want to be paying a player a lot of money NOT to play. 

Wouldn't be surprised if the Devils approached him and said, "This is the time if you want to go back to Russia. Retire this year, and we will not try to block you from signing in Russia. Wait a few years and we will."


 


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