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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:38 PM

what about grabovski? hes fast and skilled and is defensively responsible


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:39 PM

While there are pros and cons about Kovy leaving, how it affects the power play is EASILY the biggest flaw. Do you guys remember how it looked when he was hurt? Kovalchuk was an incredible threat on the power play and right now we don't have a single guy to feature.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:41 PM

hopefully malkin and ovechkin follow him to russia


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:41 PM

I don't think it would be. Jagr wouldn't be locked up for long and it would be a stop gap until 2014 where there will be quite an impressive free agent class. Jagr on a 1 year deal couldn't hurt. Although I feel a better option would be Brunner on a 1-2 year deal.

 

I agree that this loss isn't as bad as some fans are making out. We have quite a bit of cap space now and we lose a first round draft pick in a weak draft. If this team can just make the playoffs I'll consider this season a success because I'm sure a lot of people now have us as this basement team. Which is BS.

 

Stop gap is not a winning strategy. 

 

I can' t see paying an old, slow, former scoring threat several millions (based on what he did a decade ago) to watch him play half a season, get his annual injury and then watch him struggle in the first round of the playoffs and then gone when we get eliminated. 

 

PASS on JAGR.    Maybe we have a Clarkson, or some other undrafted player waiting in the wings to get a chance.

 

I think we have a young eager team that will NOW get the opportunity to play.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:42 PM

While there are pros and cons about Kovy leaving, how it affects the power play is EASILY the biggest flaw. Do you guys remember how it looked when he was hurt? Kovalchuk was an incredible threat on the power play and right now we don't have a single guy to feature.

True, but that was because it was constructed with Kovalchuk, without Kovalchuk being there. This year, they'll have the summer to construct a balanced powerplay.

 

Whether it'll be better or worse is up in the air, but as noted before, it will definitely be less predictable


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:43 PM

While there are pros and cons about Kovy leaving, how it affects the power play is EASILY the biggest flaw. Do you guys remember how it looked when he was hurt? Kovalchuk was an incredible threat on the power play and right now we don't have a single guy to feature.

 

Our PP sucked with him as the focal point and all I remember are all the short handed opportunites afforded the opposition when he played point.   Our PP will improve now.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:48 PM

Our PP sucked with him as the focal point and all I remember are all the short handed opportunites afforded the opposition when he played point.   Our PP will improve now.

This is preposterous Manta. Did you watch how they performed when he was hurt? Steve freaking Sullivan manning the point? Are you kidding


Stop gap is not a winning strategy. 

 

I can' t see paying an old, slow, former scoring threat several millions (based on what he did a decade ago) to watch him play half a season, get his annual injury and then watch him struggle in the first round of the playoffs and then gone when we get eliminated. 

 

PASS on JAGR.    Maybe we have a Clarkson, or some other undrafted player waiting in the wings to get a chance.

 

I think we have a young eager team that will NOW get the opportunity to play.

The Bluejackets have had a young and eager team for the last 10 years


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:53 PM

This is preposterous Manta. Did you watch how they performed when he was hurt? Steve freaking Sullivan manning the point? Are you kidding


The Bluejackets have had a young and eager team for the last 10 years

 

the PP was practiced and constructed to feature ONE PLAYER.   What did you expect.   We were predictable and SH teams licked thier chops seeing Kovy at the point.

 

The BlueJackets only NOW are a young and eager team.  In the past they have spent millions on UFA's trying to build something that doesn't work.  They also don't have the scouts that we do.  


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:20 PM

Stop gap is not a winning strategy.

I can' t see paying an old, slow, former scoring threat several millions (based on what he did a decade ago) to watch him play half a season, get his annual injury and then watch him struggle in the first round of the playoffs and then gone when we get eliminated.

PASS on JAGR. Maybe we have a Clarkson, or some other undrafted player waiting in the wings to get a chance.

I think we have a young eager team that will NOW get the opportunity to play.

A stopgap is the only FA move that makes sense now. There ain't too many guys left worth commiting multiple years to and the few guys we have in the system aren't ready yet. I don't want to do with Boucher what we did with Matteau this year. Let the few guys we have left develop properly. We don't have the assets to get greedy and try for Vanek.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:31 PM

A stopgap is the only FA move that makes sense now. There ain't too many guys left worth commiting multiple years to and the few guys we have in the system aren't ready yet. I don't want to do with Boucher what we did with Matteau this year. Let the few guys we have left develop properly. We don't have the assets to get greedy and try for Vanek.

 

Yes, for the right price and fit.   Jagr is neither.  

 

I know this opens up cap space but I would rather sign a Raymond and/or Boyes for at least two years while the Matteau;s develop.   I agree now on Vanek.


I would include Grabovski here too.  He has much to prove.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:42 PM

Grabovski seems like a typical Devils type of forward, seems like a good pickup. Should be possible to get him at a discount and fairly short term as well as he needs to prove himself again.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:44 PM

Boyes is totally undervalued. Besides Buffalo, he's put up 2nd line numbers his whole career.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:44 PM

Just to sptiball, trade for Vanek contingent on an extension, which I believe we can do at this point in his contract.  I know the advanced stat guys don't think he's that great, but he scores goals.  If you overpay for the extension, so be it.  Whatever it is will be a lot less burdensome than what we would have been paying Kovy.

 

What goes to Buffalo is tough.  They invested heavily in defense at the draft, so they probably feel they have less use for where our prospect pool is strongest.  Perhaps they're enamored with Boucher, who knows.  The first rounder in 2015 is insurance against the worst case scenario, so I wouldn't want to part with it. 

 

Would be very difficult to make it work even if you think Vanek would be a big help.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:44 PM

Stop gap is not a winning strategy. 

 

I can' t see paying an old, slow, former scoring threat several millions (based on what he did a decade ago) to watch him play half a season, get his annual injury and then watch him struggle in the first round of the playoffs and then gone when we get eliminated. 

 

PASS on JAGR.    Maybe we have a Clarkson, or some other undrafted player waiting in the wings to get a chance.

 

I think we have a young eager team that will NOW get the opportunity to play.

 

Show me your ideal lineup. To me putting pressure on these kids to get us into the playoffs and risking stunting their development is more of a risk then signing Jagr for one year and paying for someone proven next year.

 

EDIT: Trade to get Vanek is great on paper but what do we give Buffalo? Unless they want defensive prospects I don't know what we can offer them. Also who knows if Vanek would want to re-sign here.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:53 PM

Show me your ideal lineup. To me putting pressure on these kids to get us into the playoffs and risking stunting their development is more of a risk then signing Jagr for one year and paying for someone proven next year.

 

EDIT: Trade to get Vanek is great on paper but what do we give Buffalo? Unless they want defensive prospects I don't know what we can offer them. Also who knows if Vanek would want to re-sign here.

 

Jagr is out of the quesiton it's just a waste of time and money.

 

Ideally,  sign Grabovsky or Boyes or Raymond.    

 

I would be happy with one or two from this lot as  Josefson is going to have a breakout year, (40 points) and still develop.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:58 PM

Before we make any trades or free agent signings we have to be very realistic about our chances to win the cup this year. If we don't think we're contenders than Jagr for one year makes no sense. Grabovski for a few years could be a good idea I just don't think we should make any major moves until we know what this team is capable of.

 

Personally I don't think we'll make it very far if we make it to the playoffs so might as well give the kids a year to develop. Losing a low pick is going to suck either way but it wasn't going to be ours anyway. 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:07 PM

the PP was practiced and constructed to feature ONE PLAYER. What did you expect. We were predictable and SH teams licked thier chops seeing Kovy at the point.

The BlueJackets only NOW are a young and eager team. In the past they have spent millions on UFA's trying to build something that doesn't work. They also don't have the scouts that we do.

Kovy was not the focus last year on the PP. More than half the time he was on the right side where he couldn't get the one timer. The powerplay was trash last year cause we lack players with creativity, and Kovy was one of the few that could make slick passes. Unless Lou gets another player or 2 next years PP is going to be even more brutal to watch.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:07 PM

Before we make any trades or free agent signings we have to be very realistic about our chances to win the cup this year. If we don't think we're contenders than Jagr for one year makes no sense. Grabovski for a few years could be a good idea I just don't think we should make any major moves until we know what this team is capable of.

 

Personally I don't think we'll make it very far if we make it to the playoffs so might as well give the kids a year to develop. Losing a low pick is going to suck either way but it wasn't going to be ours anyway. 

 

A "successful" season is making it to the playoffs.  Once you get there, anything can happen.  It's tough enough to predict whether a short term free agent signing gets you there, much less whether a particular player will perform well in April and May.  Making moves based on playoff performance is one of the worst things you can do . . . see Salvador, Bryce. 

 

Also, I'm against "giving the kids a year to develop" for its own sake.  They're either better than what you can put together otherwise, or they aren't.  In the meantime, you lose an RFA year, and the development might actually be stunted by getting minimal icetime in the NHL as opposed to the AHL or Junior. 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:09 PM

Kovy was not the focus last year on the PP. More than half the time he was on the right side where he couldn't get the one timer. The powerplay was trash last year cause we lack players with creativity, and Kovy was one of the few that could make slick passes. Unless Lou gets another player or 2 next years PP is going to be even more brutal to watch.

 

The PP sample size was small enough to begin wtih, and that's before you account for Kovalchuk being hurt.  Then you factor in virtually no training camp to speak of, a key part of the powerplay gone, and a new power play coach, it was to be expected that it would take some time for it to get off the ground if it ever did. 


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:13 PM

we fancied ourselves contenders before kovy's announcement. he was an integral part of the team for sure but where he helped most was PK and PP. I'm not convinced that he was the engine that made the PK go and the PP was never great with him. While I don't subscribe to the idea that he was not a good 5 on 5 player, there's enough evidence to suggest he wasn't as great as his name made you think.

 

this team has a 12-13 senators feel to it, i think. nothing outstanding (karlsson aside), but a bunch of good players and good goaltending. the devils could mirror that. i think jagr would be a terrific fit for one year. his presence on the PP totally changes its dynamic and he's a really good ES player.


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