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#21 coldply123

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:19 PM

Getting out from under Kovy's contract will ultimately be a blessing in disguise, provided that money and space is re-allocated in a wiser and more prudent fashion over the next few offseasons.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:23 PM

Yeah yeah yeah it's a blessing

Truth is, this team is now without a star player, and, while it sounds lame, the honest truth is that stars put butts in the seats.

I'm truly dreading seeing 12k people in the arena during a Thursday night game in December if the team gets off to a predictably slow start.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:25 PM

Great thread and post CR, well done. Let me set the scene: I was on the golf course when I got this news, so I haven't really had the time to properly sit down and give my thoughts until now. When I was on the 5th hole of the afternoon getting ready to select a club for my approach shot, my good friend (some of you may know him as Sickman in these parts) texted me the following: 'DUDE, WTF?!' I figured we made a trade or something. Then, before I can even check the boards, my mom texts me: 'KOVY IS RETIRING'. Needless to say, the next 5 or so shots I hit while turning this news over in my head were awful. I was pretty shocked and angry. Being a Dolphins fan, I immediately had Ricky Williams flashbacks. Obviously Kovy didnt go back to Russia to smoke weed in a tent, so its a little different. But the impact on the Devils is similar to the way Ricky's 'retirement' impacted the Dolphins back in 2004 in the way that the best offensive player on the team up and peaced without any notice whatsoever. Its tough to take in the short term. But in the long run, we may be better off. I just hope Lou can do something to fill that hole. This is a team that could do some good things this year, and I believe still can if Lou can make a move for the right guy. Who is that guy? I don't know. Vanek? Maybe sign Brunner and Jagr? I don't know what Lou has in mind. That's why I'm me and Lou is Lou. Thankfully there are still 3 months until the season starts. And thankfully for me, Lou is in charge of the Devils and not Rick Speilman and Dave Wannstedt (who, for those who don't know, were the dipsh!ts running the Dolphins in 2004).

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:26 PM

This is why I love Elias so much. Blah Blah, the cap his is gone, blah blah. I believe Lou when he said that there is no positives that come out of today. This is just another kick in the balls to NJ by its "faithful" players. I do have faith that Lou can do something or will at least try his best.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:33 PM

The argument, and you won't like it and neither will anyone here, is that if the NHL were run the way it 'should' be, the way you're suggesting, the Devils wouldn't've had a chance to get Kovalchuk or sign him in the first place.  So it's a bit of a catch-22 - the only reason NJ could be that team is because of the salary cap and the way that revenues are shared in the NHL.  

 

I'm just glad of the 3 years I got to watch him and now no longer have to dread the next 6+ as his game continues to disintegrate.  No real hard feelings.

If Lou helped facilitate this move it is a massive coupe for the Devils moving forward. Kovalchuk needs seasons like he had in 2011-12 to be worth his contract. I think his game is going drastically down hill and fast.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:33 PM

Yeah yeah yeah it's a blessing

Truth is, this team is now without a star player, and, while it sounds lame, the honest truth is that stars put butts in the seats.

I'm truly dreading seeing 12k people in the arena during a Thursday night game in December if the team gets off to a predictably slow start.

 

Blue Jackets put butts in seats with Rick Nash, but they're better off without him and are going to get even more butts in seats now that they're competitive. Even with Kovalchuk, no one showed up to Thrashers games.

Bottom line: People will show up if you put a good product out on the ice.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:36 PM

Sounds like more players might see the KHL as a bargaining chip, if they can't get what they want here, maybe some Russian oil tycoon will give it to him...


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:37 PM

Blue Jackets put butts in seats with Rick Nash, but they're better off without him and are going to get even more butts in seats now that they're competitive. Even with Kovalchuk, no one showed up to Thrashers games.
Bottom line: People will show up if you put a good product out on the ice.


The difference is Colunbus didn't give up anything to get Nash and got a lot in return for him when he left.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:38 PM

Yeah yeah yeah it's a blessing

Truth is, this team is now without a star player, and, while it sounds lame, the honest truth is that stars put butts in the seats.

I'm truly dreading seeing 12k people in the arena during a Thursday night game in December if the team gets off to a predictably slow start.

Marty is a megastar and Schneider could be a star...I watched a lot of canucks games last year and he is an exciting goalie to watch..in my opinion we have 2 of the most exciting goalies in the league (ie not just straight drop to your knees and get hit). Any time I would go to a game in the past and see the non-marty goalie was getting the start I couldn't help but be a bit disappointed. Now I would be extremely excited either way. 


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:42 PM

Kovalchuk's value, besides his stellar 4 on 5 work, seems to be mostly that he was taking ice time from worse players.  That's about it - the ability to take ice time away from players worse than him, both on the power play and at even strength.  I think he was good not great on the power play, but I don't put much ability in myself to evaluate guys on the power play from a numbers perspective.  From an eye-test perspective his decision-making and positioning was less than ideal, but he was occasionally a wizard and that slapshot is second-to-none.

 

Basically I don't think it's that valuable to have a forward putting up 70+ points if he's taking 25 minutes to do it.  If Brunner or someone else can put up similar rates while only playing 16 minutes of ice time, the Devils are not losing all that much - they have the depth this year to not have to rely on a 25 minute a game Kovalchuk.

 

I could not agree more


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:45 PM

If Lou helped facilitate this move it is a massive coupe for the Devils moving forward. Kovalchuk needs seasons like he had in 2011-12 to be worth his contract. I think his game is going drastically down hill and fast.

 

His 2011-12 season is not that great.  Sure, he was way up there in goal scoring and points but he led the league in ice time by an enormous margin, and got to play with Zach Parise for most of the season.  

 

Maybe it's unfair to hold that against him and maybe he'd be better if he were used, say, 21 minutes a game, but even if you take out his short-handed minutes (and points), his rates don't look elite, they look average.  Part of that is the Devils' D system perhaps, but still.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:48 PM

I feel a little betrayed just because he was my 2nd favorite player behind Elias, but I know the team will probably be better off in teh long run (if not short run too) if they get someone like Brunner like Jason and Tri said. I still can't grasp how you'd wanna live in Russia over NYC suburbs since it's basically a 3rd world country, but that's just because I'm not from there I guess. IF it's just for family, I can't really fault him for that. Though if he just left because he didn't wanna pay escrow, I hope he blows out both his ACLs tomorrow at the press conference


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:58 PM

You know what?  I'm going to do exactly the same thing I did last summer when Parise left.

 

I'm just go to step back, and forget about hockey for a while.  I'm still beyond pissed off and its been like 4 hours since the story broke.

 

I'll see you all in a few days.  There's no sense to me sticking around and just spewing negativity. 


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:13 PM

I'm not saying anything in my post is right but it's my emotional reaction to some pretty shocking news. Emotion clouds judgement but I'm just going to state how I feel.

 

At first I had mixed emotions towards Kovalchuk and the situation. As the day wore on it went more into anger. I understand why he did what he did but it's frustrating as a fan of the Devils, to see the organization jump through hoops, suffer penalties, to give him the long term commitment he wanted, to see him spit on the contract and go home. With my allegiance being to the organization it's disappointing to see a player just outright ignore his contract to go for a cash grab.

 

I know it's not sensible but I can't help but play the "what if" game in my head. What if there was no lockout (again) and the NHL execs actually focused on the sport rather than the bottom line? What if the Devils didn't put all their eggs in the Kovalchuk basket, could Parise have been brought back? I know this isn't necessarily healthy or rational thinking but as a fan today, it's hard for me to not have these questions in my head.

 

I know that while this sucks in the short term, it's ultimately better for the team in the long run. Still, I can't help but feel angry and betrayed whether that is right or wrong.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:14 PM

To echo the sentiments of many on the board:

 

Short term- It absolutely ******* blows. He was a beast on the PK and obviously an asset on the PP. Also, we're probably worse off in the shootouts (yay Clowe!)  However, it's not going to kill us at ES.  I do feel better that we actually have a competent 4th line so we don't have to see the Janssen's and Barch's of the world. 

 

Long term- This is awesome. We all knew he wasn't going to play out the whole contract, so there was a good chance we were gonna get dinged with a hefty recapture price. 
 

In terms of the sale of the Devils.....this MAY be a help. They shed 55 million over the next 5 years, which could make the team more attractive. Even if JVB keeps the team (barf), it will give him more flexibility.

 

As a fan, it feels like we've been punched in the gut TOO many times the last few years.  Between Parise, injuries, financial woes and now Kovy, you gotta wonder when all this crap will end. It'll sting seeing Kovalchuk and Parise gear around the Rock, but it's probably for the better long term health of the franchise. 


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:26 PM

His 2011-12 season is not that great. Sure, he was way up there in goal scoring and points but he led the league in ice time by an enormous margin, and got to play with Zach Parise for most of the season.

Maybe it's unfair to hold that against him and maybe he'd be better if he were used, say, 21 minutes a game, but even if you take out his short-handed minutes (and points), his rates don't look elite, they look average. Part of that is the Devils' D system perhaps, but still.


The goals per ice time is a new one, or it isn't something I've read in anything you've written before today. Pretty flimsy if you ask me.
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:28 PM

I was taught that in every negative there is a positive.  It may not be apparent immediately but it will happen.  The reverse is true also.  In every positive there is a negative and you have to be prepared when it shows up.  We found the negative in the positive when Kovalchuk decided to retire immediately.  Now out of this negative there will be positives.  The end of the contract and only being penalized $250K  a year for the length of contract is a positive.  We will have to wait to see how it plays out and one never knows how current and future players work out. :)

 

One thing that I don't understand is why folks are complaining about losing the pick.  NJD could have given up a first round pick in 2012, 2013 but chose 2014.  If we gave it up in 2012 the point would be moot.  There would be no going back and saying we shouldn't have lost the pick and want it back.  It is what it is.  Lou had the opportunity to use it in previous years and waited and agreed to give it up in 2014.  Who knows what happens from that.  Trading for a pick isn't unusual.  ;)

 

I can live with this entire situation.  No need wasting energy on something I don't have control over. :)

 


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:29 PM

The goals per ice time is a new one, or it isn't something I've read in anything you've written before today. Pretty flimsy if you ask me.


Points per minute is so old even ESPN has listed it on their stats page. :lol:
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:32 PM

His 2011-12 season is not that great.  Sure, he was way up there in goal scoring and points but he led the league in ice time by an enormous margin, and got to play with Zach Parise for most of the season.  

 

Maybe it's unfair to hold that against him and maybe he'd be better if he were used, say, 21 minutes a game, but even if you take out his short-handed minutes (and points), his rates don't look elite, they look average.  Part of that is the Devils' D system perhaps, but still.

 

I think the extra minutes kill the rate, though.    Of course there's no way we'll ever know now, unless he comes back as a broken down 38 year old so people can throw sh!t at him.   Perhaps literally.

 

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:45 PM

I don't blame the league for this one bit. The KHL will never, ever be a league that can compete with the NHL. The only star players who will want to be in that league are the greedy money hungry cowards like Kovy.

I don't need anytime to digest this because my stance will never change on this. I wish kovy nothing but the worst and I hope an injury comes back and bites him in the ass so he can't collect all the money he left us for.

fvck him, fvcking piece of sh!t.
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