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#121 cgb6397

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:56 AM

I just don't think he was that big an impact player.  The hole left was a hole there anyhow.  There was no edge offered by his name.  He was a nice solid player but to me it all evened out and he just wasn't any big deal on the team. 

 

This is how I like to look at the situation, and it's funny, because literally the day before this whole thing happened, I was sitting, and thinking, comparing Kovalchuk to other NHL superstars.

 

How I ultimately felt, after comparing him to most notably, Giroux, was that yes, they both bring amazing skill and talent to the game, but Kovalchuk's game wasn't very electric. We rarely saw Kovalchuk net a late game, or go ahead goal.

 

His game was just very static, carry the puck through the neutral zone, stop by the boards, wrap the puck around the corners. He never really tried to create chances for himself with dekes, in his last year or two, he was just a pure shooter, and a pure shooter that played a criminal amount of minutes.

 

A final thought that I was left with, after this all happened, was how our shootouts are going to suffer dearly. There was a significant drop off when we lost Parise, now losing them both, our only dependable shootout guy is Patty, other than that, we're screwed.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:03 AM

Hadn't even thought about the shootouts, yeah that'll suck.  3 of the Devils better shooters (Kovy, Parise, and Clarkson) are now gone, so that should be fun.  Can't wait to watch that  :doh1:

 

Also, yeah.  Devils will miss him big time on the PK.  The record setting PK of two years ago has now lost its two primary members (still have Henrique, and Elias I suppose).  So that'll dip substantially too.

 

Kovy typically only played the PK on the last 40 seconds or so. John Madden was an even better PKer and we lost him and did okay.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:14 AM

Kovy is a world class talent. He played RW (even though is he is a natural LW) on an all round offensively challenged team where he often was the only truly gifted player on his line, and in NJ, the only real shooting threat on the PP. He still managed to put up "decent" numbers, assuming retiring with 1 PPG is still considered good in this crowd. He also lead all players in scoring in our run to the finals untill game 6, and would clearly have been a Conn Smythe candidate had the Devils won.

 

And while I realize the "advanced stats" guys here may not like him (or Ovie), he was the only truly spectacular player to watch on our team, and I will surely miss him a lot.. 

 

That said; it might work out for the best in the long run.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:37 AM

Kovy was an intoxicating player.  

 

His potential got coaches excited.   Coaches would try to tap into this talent more and more trying to win games.   Then they started to lose more than they won and they would try to use him more.   All the while, the rest of the team got lost.  


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:41 AM

Kovy is a world class talent. He played RW (even though is he is a natural LW) on an all round offensively challenged team where he often was the only truly gifted player on his line, and in NJ, the only real shooting threat on the PP. He still managed to put up "decent" numbers, assuming retiring with 1 PPG is still considered good in this crowd. He also lead all players in scoring in our run to the finals untill game 6, and would clearly have been a Conn Smythe candidate had the Devils won.

 

And while I realize the "advanced stats" guys here may not like him (or Ovie), he was the only truly spectacular player to watch on our team, and I will surely miss him a lot.. 

 

That said; it might work out for the best in the long run.

 

Ovechkin was a tremendous territorial player a few years ago.  Not so much anymore.  


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:45 AM

Kovy is a world class talent. He played RW (even though is he is a natural LW) on an all round offensively challenged team where he often was the only truly gifted player on his line, and in NJ, the only real shooting threat on the PP. He still managed to put up "decent" numbers, assuming retiring with 1 PPG is still considered good in this crowd. He also lead all players in scoring in our run to the finals untill game 6, and would clearly have been a Conn Smythe candidate had the Devils won.

 

And while I realize the "advanced stats" guys here may not like him (or Ovie), he was the only truly spectacular player to watch on our team, and I will surely miss him a lot.. 

 

That said; it might work out for the best in the long run.

 

You better check the Devils roster. You're selling a lot of players short on the excitement meter.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:01 PM

This is how I like to look at the situation, and it's funny, because literally the day before this whole thing happened, I was sitting, and thinking, comparing Kovalchuk to other NHL superstars.
 
How I ultimately felt, after comparing him to most notably, Giroux, was that yes, they both bring amazing skill and talent to the game, but Kovalchuk's game wasn't very electric. We rarely saw Kovalchuk net a late game, or go ahead goal.
 
His game was just very static, carry the puck through the neutral zone, stop by the boards, wrap the puck around the corners. He never really tried to create chances for himself with dekes, in his last year or two, he was just a pure shooter, and a pure shooter that played a criminal amount of minutes.
 
A final thought that I was left with, after this all happened, was how our shootouts are going to suffer dearly. There was a significant drop off when we lost Parise, now losing them both, our only dependable shootout guy is Patty, other than that, we're screwed.


Kovalchuk had never been an electric player with NJ. Not the same player he was in Atlanta certainly. You could see it dragging on him a little this year after he got to play with SKA during the lockout (injury notwithstanding). But he's a superstar. Not the kind that puts butts in seats (non-hockey fans don't care about Kovy, or know who he is). Not like Brodeur, who is somewhat of a local legend here and will continue to be after his retirement. Kovalchuk will be forgotten in a few years.

But I'll always remember this as the most significant Kovalchuk moment:


And it makes sense that he assisted on the Henrique OT goal vs. NYR. He makes the guys around him better. He's exciting to play with. He's super exciting when he scores. You can't build a team around him like you can with Ovechkin but he's certainly a huge, devastating loss. In retrospect I'm much more disappointed about Zach (still). Zach was truly a great player and a great man who grew up with this team and embodied this team. I still can't help but think he misses NJ a little bit and the role he'd get to play (especially post-Kovy).
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:27 PM

For those of you who need a laugh today.

 

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:36 PM

my sister and Brother-in-law got a dog about 3 years ago and they named her Kovy... instantly all of us told her to change the name of that dog immediately. 

So yesterday my Bro-in-law posted this on facebook...

 

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and as of now, they aren't changing their dogs name...


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:41 PM

my sister and Brother-in-law got a dog about 3 years ago and they named her Kovy... instantly all of us told her to change the name of that dog immediately. 

So yesterday my Bro-in-law posted this on facebook...

 

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and as of now, they aren't changing their dogs name...

 

 

Oh sh!t! I got my dog 3 years ago and named her Kovy. My mother said the name was stupid so changed her name to Suzy. Her name is Kovy on the registration paperwork still.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:46 PM

i like this thread.

 

it's a TRAP!


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:49 PM

Oh sh!t! I got my dog 3 years ago and named her Kovy. My mother said the name was stupid so changed her name to Suzy. Her name is Kovy on the registration paperwork still.

hahaha good choice... we loved the name when he was around (Kovy loved it cuz everytime kovalchuk scored, Kovy cot a carrot haha) 

 

still have to find a new name to call "Kovy" and if they can be convinced to change it


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:03 PM

Actually, you can change a dog's name every year if you wish, but I wouldn't. Every other year would not mess with the dog - they learn it and go from there.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:15 PM

hahaha good choice... we loved the name when he was around (Kovy loved it cuz everytime kovalchuk scored, Kovy cot a carrot haha) 

 

still have to find a new name to call "Kovy" and if they can be convinced to change it

 

Love the "Archer" avatar!!!


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:21 PM

Love the "Archer" avatar!!!

 

haha thanks, that is one of my favorite episodes (when he gets cancer) cant wait for the next season


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:25 PM

haha thanks, that is one of my favorite episodes (when he gets cancer) cant wait for the next season

 

Me too.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:15 PM

Well, I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who doesn't really care. 

 

I don't even care if this seals the deal on me knowing my ass from a hole in the ground - I just don't think he was that big an impact player.  The hole left was a hole there anyhow.  There was no edge offered by his name.  He was a nice solid player but to me it all evened out and he just wasn't any big deal on the team. 

 

The only thing that impressed me was his willingness to play the system.  But he made it a big drag and didn't share the enthusiasm so it was all a wash.  What we gain in losing him makes everything all a wash.  I really dont care.  I think I'm hanging out here reading and writing just trying to find a reason to really honestly give a sh!t.

 

I hear posters in my head saying "well you should care" and the proceeding list of why I'm stupid. 

 

I sincerely feel completely apathetic. I only didn't say so because I care what people think of me -- which luckily I'm gleaning is pretty much nothing  anyhow :evil:

 

I think if Clarkson hadn't left I might have felt more.  but the whole Clarkson thing was so much more real and both sides had so much invested and going on so many more levels.  I had fear anger resentment and finally when it was all out on the table - I wish him well and feel content about the whole thing.  Kovalchuk - hehh.. so what?  When you look deeply to get riled you see it's nothing.  an empty apathetic wash

 

You're not the only one who is apathetic about it. I was never a Kovy hater, but I never thought he fit in here. The Devils had so much invested in him, but all too often it fvcked up the whole team. It was like the coaches never knew how to use him. He almost never got to play his natural position, he would be double-shifted way too often, or he would get stuck out on the powerplay for too long.

 

My most vivid memories of him with the Devils is him with the puck in the O-zone trying to create space for himself, making some wild lateral shift and shooting the puck but not scoring on the play.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:46 PM

You better check the Devils roster. You're selling a lot of players short on the excitement meter.

 

Well.. anyone who makes the top 6 on an NHL team is clearly a very good hockey player.. More often then not we played Kovy with the Palmieri/Loktionovs of our team, instead of the Elias/Zajacs though.. Kovy is a finisher more then a playmaker.. Would have given my left nut to see him play a season next to someone like Thornton (who's UFA next summer!) or St. Louis. 

 

Kovy was an out of character move by the Devils in the first place. They didn't try to play to his strength, but had him adapt to the Devils style of hockey.. Which sorta worked.. after a while. Not an ideal fit in any way, but one that I was hoping would get better and better for at least a few more seasons.. :o

 

Here's hoping LL signs up either Boyes/Grabo/Raymond + Jagr. Could still be a fun season.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:05 PM

Well.. anyone who makes the top 6 on an NHL team is clearly a very good hockey player.. More often then not we played Kovy with the Palmieri/Loktionovs of our team, instead of the Elias/Zajacs though.. Kovy is a finisher more then a playmaker.. Would have given my left nut to see him play a season next to someone like Thornton (who's UFA next summer!) or St. Louis. 

 

Kovy was an out of character move by the Devils in the first place. They didn't try to play to his strength, but had him adapt to the Devils style of hockey.. Which sorta worked.. after a while. Not an ideal fit in any way, but one that I was hoping would get better and better for at least a few more seasons.. :o

 

Here's hoping LL signs up either Boyes/Grabo/Raymond + Jagr. Could still be a fun season.

 

Kovalchuk rarely got ice time with Elias but he played with other good players plenty.  Here's a breakdown of the forwards he played with most over the last 3 years:

 

Zajac

Parise

Henrique

Palmieri

Zubrus

Elias

Ponikarovsky

Josesfon

Arnott

Loktionov

Tedenby

 

I'll stop there, but he played with plenty of skilled players, and his game meshed well with Palmieri's.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:08 PM

It'll be interesting to see how Loktionov will be used now. I think we pretty much all expected him to play with Kovalchuk since they had success together for the brief stint


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