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#141 StarDew

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:17 PM

For those of you who need a laugh today.

 

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I could use a laugh however this video is Private. :(


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:27 PM

Well...at least Patty won't get upset about "him" not showing up to camp late again! ;)


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:29 PM

I'm kinda glad I was out in the woods with only twitter so I couldn't hop on the board and rage up and down about his departure. 


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:11 AM

Looks like it is time for zajac and henrique to kick it up another level. 


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:06 AM

My friends, as a new member, I'm nowhere near the expert some of you are, but I'll stick my neck out to offer some perspective.  What are my qualifications?  None, other than my legal first name is Ilia (same name as the gentleman in question, just different spelling) and I'm a native speaker of Russian, although I'm not an ethnic Russian.  Neither is Kovalchuk, but I digress....

 

On the whole "going home" business, I'll offer this: in Russian and Russian-speaking cultures being near family is a very big deal.  Big enough deal where being away starts to mess with your mind, affects your work (or in this case athletic) performance, your health, etc.  I'm a rare exception to that, I subscribe to George Burns' immortal "happiness is a loving, caring family...in another city".

 

Now, I've been following the Devils since around 1992, and what brought them much success was being a great system team.  What do I mean by that?  For years you could tune in a Devils game and, unless you read the sweater numbers, you had no idea which line was on the ice, because everyone played more or less the same game.  This was a working team, a "blue-collar" team, if you will, and not one that relied on "superstars".  

 

More recently, however, that had changed, and the organization started leaning more towards a team of great players, rather than a great team of players.  We started relying on superstars.  There is nothing wrong with that, except that I don't think that approach has worked.  Save for last year, the team's performance has been pretty average, certainly not near as good as it could be.

 

So, how does one go about changing that, about going from a superstar-oriented approach to a team-oriented one?  By getting rid of the superstars.  I'm going to miss my namesake #17, but I'm not going to miss the mindset that resulted from his (and even Zach's) presence.  Everything hung on those two (and on Marty, but that's a separate conversation), and I don't think ultimately that's very healthy.

 

This latest development gives the team a chance to do a master reset, a Ctrl-alt-del.  There is now the money and, more importantly, the necessity to rethink things, to look at new ideas without worrying about how so-and-so will play with #17 or what not.  Hopefully, this will finally force the organization to start developing some young talent, something they've been slow to do.  Between that and the fact that we've finally acknowledged that Marty is not immortal (by acquiring Mr. Schneider), I'm cautiously optimistic.  Will this hurt in the short term?  Sure.  Will the benefits outweigh the losses?  Only time will tell, but I think they just might.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:33 AM

My friends, as a new member, I'm nowhere near the expert some of you are, but I'll stick my neck out to offer some perspective.  What are my qualifications?  None, other than my legal first name is Ilia (same name as the gentleman in question, just different spelling) and I'm a native speaker of Russian, although I'm not an ethnic Russian.  Neither is Kovalchuk, but I digress....

 

On the whole "going home" business, I'll offer this: in Russian and Russian-speaking cultures being near family is a very big deal.  Big enough deal where being away starts to mess with your mind, affects your work (or in this case athletic) performance, your health, etc.  I'm a rare exception to that, I subscribe to George Burns' immortal "happiness is a loving, caring family...in another city".

 

Now, I've been following the Devils since around 1992, and what brought them much success was being a great system team.  What do I mean by that?  For years you could tune in a Devils game and, unless you read the sweater numbers, you had no idea which line was on the ice, because everyone played more or less the same game.  This was a working team, a "blue-collar" team, if you will, and not one that relied on "superstars".  

 

More recently, however, that had changed, and the organization started leaning more towards a team of great players, rather than a great team of players.  We started relying on superstars.  There is nothing wrong with that, except that I don't think that approach has worked.  Save for last year, the team's performance has been pretty average, certainly not near as good as it could be.

 

So, how does one go about changing that, about going from a superstar-oriented approach to a team-oriented one?  By getting rid of the superstars.  I'm going to miss my namesake #17, but I'm not going to miss the mindset that resulted from his (and even Zach's) presence.  Everything hung on those two (and on Marty, but that's a separate conversation), and I don't think ultimately that's very healthy.

 

This latest development gives the team a chance to do a master reset, a Ctrl-alt-del.  There is now the money and, more importantly, the necessity to rethink things, to look at new ideas without worrying about how so-and-so will play with #17 or what not.  Hopefully, this will finally force the organization to start developing some young talent, something they've been slow to do.  Between that and the fact that we've finally acknowledged that Marty is not immortal (by acquiring Mr. Schneider), I'm cautiously optimistic.  Will this hurt in the short term?  Sure.  Will the benefits outweigh the losses?  Only time will tell, but I think they just might.

 

Great first post and welcome! I agree with everything you said, although I think Parise could have been more of an Elias than a Gomez (if that makes sense) if he had become a FA 1 year later when the 8 year max length was put in place. 

 

But overall I agree wholeheartedly that it's time to go back and become the "how are these guys beating us?" Devils!


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:07 AM

 

But overall I agree wholeheartedly that it's time to go back and become the "how are these guys beating us?" Devils!

Haha..  agreed! One of the reasons I fell in love with the Devils. :D


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 09:00 AM

The points about the decline are BS.   The league is booming, it's just you're in a forum full of NA who follow other sports which have no competition.
 
There is nothing they can do about this.   They have a wide player pool and someone else has been able to tap in on this in the model of soccer, with stupid money and no intention of running a business.
 
The only way the NHL has reaped what they sow is in their transfer dealings where they lowball everyone.   So there is zero built-in sympathy.   And sooner or later player pool countries in Europe will all have KHL franchises in their countries.


I've seen this point being made a few times now and I simply have to disagree. MLB competes with the Japanese baseball league, which is a fairly well financed institution in a wealthy and populous nation. And there are many solid basketball leagues around the world. In fact, much to my chagrin, b-ball is one of the most popular sports in the world. Even Israel has a league that has attracted the odd ex-NBAer, albeit usually minor.

So the situation facing hockey is not unique except insofar as how where the competition is coming from. For baseball that competition will come overwhelmingly from Japan, not the poorer nations to our south. For basketball, that competition seems to come from European leagues in general. Look at the significant number of European players to come into the game in recent years. As for hockey the competition seems to be heavily weighted toward Russia (although let's face it, Russians are not the only peeps going home...).
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Posted 13 July 2013 - 09:56 AM

The NA market is unique on this planet in that it has 350 million people with high purchasing power that all speak the same language and share the same culture. Even with your ironically socialist-like draft model and salary cap system, the american leagues offer very high salaries because of said market, even though I think entry-level and two-way contracts will one day be a thing of the past. Especially so if the KHL keeps expanding west into Europe and includes clubs in Sweden, Finland, Germany, Switzerland for example.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 09:59 AM

i wonder if anyone is going to come across him until he leaves to go back to russia... he lives in bergen county right in alpine..
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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:56 PM

i wonder if anyone is going to come across him until he leaves to go back to russia... he lives in bergen county right in alpine..

What if he was spotted next November at a subway in alpine. that would be funny.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:02 PM

The NA market is unique on this planet in that it has 350 million people with high purchasing power that all speak the same language and share the same culture. Even with your ironically socialist-like draft model and salary cap system, the american leagues offer very high salaries because of said market, even though I think entry-level and two-way contracts will one day be a thing of the past. Especially so if the KHL keeps expanding west into Europe and includes clubs in Sweden, Finland, Germany, Switzerland for example.

 

The thing is, the KHL growing wider just makes it even less desirable to play in.  The travel is awful.  And unless these teams are also owned by oligarchs with bottomless pockets (entirely possible, but to date teams outside of Russia seem to have little or no interest in trying to attract NHL level players), they won't compete either in the KHL or for NHL level players.

 

The NHL will not break its entry level and two-way contract system to keep foreign players.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:39 PM

Remains to be seen. The KHL could easily split up into east & west or some variation of that to keep travel distances down. NA is fairly large as well. :P It does seem unlikely that KHL or any european hockey league will challenge the NHL any time soon though, outside of Russia the rich guys just care about soccer. But you are already hemorrhaging european players because of the mentioned systems. Eventually you'll likely start seeing more NA players going to the KHL for the money as well.
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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:03 PM

Remains to be seen. The KHL could easily split up into east & west or some variation of that to keep travel distances down. NA is fairly large as well. :P It does seem unlikely that KHL or any european hockey league will challenge the NHL any time soon though, outside of Russia the rich guys just care about soccer. But you are already hemorrhaging european players because of the mentioned systems. Eventually you'll likely start seeing more NA players going to the KHL for the money as well.

 

You really won't because these teams do not have infinite money.  They don't make anywhere close to the revenues necessary to support more than a few luxury-item type of players.  The kind of NA players who go to the KHL are fringe NHLers who can make way more money in the KHL, but people's experience with the KHL has been mixed at best - players being paid in cash in the locker room, players not being paid on time, players being released from their contract with no warning, the medical staff is suspect, the travel is awful, etc.

 

How many 20+ minute D/15+ minute forwards NHLers do you think are playing in the KHL instead of the NHL right now?  How many do you think it can support?

 

In addition, the salary cap in the KHL right now is a hard cap of $36.5M per with an exception for one NHL player who is Russian.  Most of the teams in the league can't afford that $36.5M.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:51 PM

You really won't because these teams do not have infinite money.  They don't make anywhere close to the revenues necessary to support more than a few luxury-item type of players.  The kind of NA players who go to the KHL are fringe NHLers who can make way more money in the KHL, but people's experience with the KHL has been mixed at best - players being paid in cash in the locker room, players not being paid on time, players being released from their contract with no warning, the medical staff is suspect, the travel is awful, etc.

 

How many 20+ minute D/15+ minute forwards NHLers do you think are playing in the KHL instead of the NHL right now?  How many do you think it can support?

 

In addition, the salary cap in the KHL right now is a hard cap of $36.5M per with an exception for one NHL player who is Russian.  Most of the teams in the league can't afford that $36.5M.

 

I remember John Grahame went and left after they wouldn't pay him. Plus nobody in their right mind who's grown up in North America's going to move to the 3rd world or something closer than here for a little more money. Maybe if someone gets absolutely blown away, but I doubt it'd be worth it for a NA'er


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:54 PM

I remember John Grahame went and left after they wouldn't pay him. Plus nobody in their right mind who's grown up in North America's going to move to the 3rd world or something closer than here for a little more money. Maybe if someone gets absolutely blown away, but I doubt it'd be worth it for a NA'er

 

The KHL doesn't play in Haiti. LOL "3rd World"


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:03 PM

. Eventually you'll likely start seeing more NA players going to the KHL for the money as well.


They just got Bobby Sanguinetti.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:35 PM

They just got Bobby Sanguinetti. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:39 PM

They just got Bobby Sanguinetti. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

How strange.  A NJ boy decides to not stay home.  :wink2: 

 

Yes, I know he was never offered a NHL contract since he was drafted by the NYR in 2006.  :)


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 11:18 PM

They just got Bobby Sanguinetti. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

 

Wrote a response to this that the board ate, but yeah, it's going to draw marginal NHLers who A: can make more money and B: have more stability.  A guy like Sanguinetti isn't going to get any one-way contract offers and has to make a team out of training camp.  If he doesn't make the team, is he going to make it through waivers?  So he could be playing in any of 3 places come October - the team he signed with, another NHL team, or the original team's AHL affiliate.  I bet he's making high 6 figures in Russia, and some guys have gone over there and used it to their advantage, like Andre Benoit who came back to a much better contract from Ottawa and is now on a one-way deal in Colorado.


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