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#1 Mitico12

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:17 AM

In talking about the Kovy situation for the past few days with fellow Devils fans, I have heard independently, and multiple times that Kovy really did NOT like the way Lou ran the team - mainly, the way the players were treated internally.

Do u think this, coupled with the fact that Hedberg was cut so unceremoniously from NJ factored into Kovy lashing out and leaving?
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:33 AM

In talking about the Kovy situation for the past few days with fellow Devils fans, I have heard independently, and multiple times that Kovy really did NOT like the way Lou ran the team - mainly, the way the players were treated internally.
Do u think this, coupled with the fact that Hedberg was cut so unceremoniously from NJ factored into Kovy lashing out and leaving?


I believe the main reason for Kovy's leaving could be summed up in the phrase "dolla dolla bill y'all".. What happened to Hedberg was called the business of sports.. Even Heddy said he'd make that trade, so I can't imagine Kovy (known for valuing his money so highly) would care that much about Hedberg being ousted as backup goalie to want to leave the NHL
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:34 AM

I think this is absurd. As far as Hedberg is concerned, Lou had an opportunity to greatly improve the team in the immediate future/beyond. 25 other teams would've given far more than what the Dev's did.

No player has any "right" whatsoever to an opinion on how there team is run. (except how much ice time they receive) 

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:48 AM

I think Hedberg is 0% of this, and the way Lou runs things is -25% (ie why he even came back).

The simplest explanation, and therefore the most likely... He enjoyed playing in the KHL, made more coin, and has national pressure to stay in Russia. I think the fact he left the NHL @ 30, and not 36, is a bad trend for the NHL. Right now, the KHL is overpaying for local talent. What happens if they convince say "a" Sidney Crosby to walk away?
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:44 AM

I think Hedberg is 0% of this, and the way Lou runs things is -25% (ie why he even came back).

The simplest explanation, and therefore the most likely... He enjoyed playing in the KHL, made more coin, and has national pressure to stay in Russia. I think the fact he left the NHL @ 30, and not 36, is a bad trend for the NHL. Right now, the KHL is overpaying for local talent. What happens if they convince say "a" Sidney Crosby to walk away?

 

I don't know about 'a' Crosby, but I'm sure Ovechkin or Malkin are next on the list. 


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:50 AM

In talking about the Kovy situation for the past few days with fellow Devils fans, I have heard independently, and multiple times that Kovy really did NOT like the way Lou ran the team - mainly, the way the players were treated internally.

Do u think this, coupled with the fact that Hedberg was cut so unceremoniously from NJ factored into Kovy lashing out and leaving?

If Kovy had a problem with the way Lou treats players, he's nuts. Sometimes he makes a good hockey decision that leaves someone out, but how many times has he hired back a guy after retirement?


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:00 AM

Hedberg has nothing to do with this.  Kovalchuk was going to leave before last season, when Hedberg was still on the team.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:52 AM

Hedberg has nothing to do with this.  Kovalchuk was going to leave before last season, when Hedberg was still on the team.

 

 

absolutely true he was a goner before the shorten season. In hind sight he showed it with his play.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:56 AM

Thread titled HEDBERG FACTOR

 

I say it was No Factor when it came to ILLK


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:01 PM

I don't know about 'a' Crosby, but I'm sure Ovechkin or Malkin are next on the list. 

 

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:08 PM

No...just....just no....


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:09 PM

In talking about the Kovy situation for the past few days with fellow Devils fans, I have heard independently, and multiple times that Kovy really did NOT like the way Lou ran the team - mainly, the way the players were treated internally.

Do u think this, coupled with the fact that Hedberg was cut so unceremoniously from NJ factored into Kovy lashing out and leaving?

 

He left for the millions and millions of dollars he'll get in Russia.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:54 PM

Firstly, The idea that Hedberg was any part of Kovy leaving is pretty ridiculous. We know Kovy wanted to go home in January before the Hedberg deal. Secondly, you don't think Kovy would have been happy that the Devils vastly improved their team with the Schneider deal? Thirdly, The Devils organization has always treated their players well. People might have gotten annoyed how strict Lou can be or what not, especially with a lot of his rules, but I don't understand how that equates to  the organization treating it players badly?

 

There is no organization in the NHL that makes it easier for their athletes to just focus on hockey. A player like Kovalchuk, on any other team, would have hundreds of engagements or requests that the team would need him to do each year away from the rink. The Devils had almost 0 of those requests.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:05 PM

If you go back to Kovy's comments during the lockout about returning you can pretty much tell he wasn't enthused about leaving the KHL. He felt more obligated to come back to NJ than anything.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:11 PM

In talking about the Kovy situation for the past few days with fellow Devils fans, I have heard independently, and multiple times that Kovy really did NOT like the way Lou ran the team - mainly, the way the players were treated internally.

Do u think this, coupled with the fact that Hedberg was cut so unceremoniously from NJ factored into Kovy lashing out and leaving?

no, I don't at all think this
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:29 PM

had zero to do with hedberg.. why would he feel threatened that he would lose his job.. he wouldnt, he was the most valuable thing to this team and the organization made sacrafices to sign him.. there was no threat for him anywhere here.one of the best players in the entire league and he was irreplaceable this thread is stupid.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:16 PM

I don't know about 'a' Crosby, but I'm sure Ovechkin or Malkin are next on the list.

That's my point... Russia claiming their own in their prime/near prime (Radulov, Kovy) sucks, but Russia loves Russians; it's not shocking... What happens if/when they lure a big time, franchise, face of the league player born and raised in North America?

You have to think that's a goal of theirs. It instantly legitigizes their league as a competitive league to the NHL and not just an AHL with oil tycoons vastly over paying Russian players to come back home. That's what scares me more about Kovy walking away from the NHL.
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:43 PM

I don't know about 'a' Crosby, but I'm sure Ovechkin or Malkin are next on the list.
That's my point... Russia claiming their own in their prime/near prime (Radulov, Kovy) sucks, but Russia loves Russians; it's not shocking... What Shappens if/when they lure a big time, franchise, faceplate to of the league player born and raised in North America?
You have to think that's a goal of theirs. It instantly legitigizes their league as a competitive league to the NHL and not just an AHL with oil tycoons vastly over paying Russian players to come back home. That's what scares me more about Kovy walking away from the NHL.


I'll go out on a limb and say a North American franchise player in his prime will never go to the KHL, unless it is because that player is using it as a bargaining chip to get out of having to play for a particular NHL team.

And although I'm not sure how it works in Canada, a US citizen that doesn't renounce his citizenship will have to pay US income tax even if he played in Russia, so you lose that benefit.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:44 PM

That's my point... Russia claiming their own in their prime/near prime (Radulov, Kovy) sucks, but Russia loves Russians; it's not shocking... What happens if/when they lure a big time, franchise, face of the league player born and raised in North America?

You have to think that's a goal of theirs. It instantly legitigizes their league as a competitive league to the NHL and not just an AHL with oil tycoons vastly over paying Russian players to come back home. That's what scares me more about Kovy walking away from the NHL.

 

It does not legitimize their league as competitive to the NHL.  Because it's not.  North American players don't want to play in Russia.  Russian players wouldn't play in North America if it weren't for North America having the top league in the world.  The fact that there's now a Russian league that can offer competitive (and indeed, in some cases, better) salaries has some of them going home, but the majority of top Russian players still play in the NHL.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:04 PM


It does not legitimize their league as competitive to the NHL. Because it's not. North American players don't want to play in Russia. Russian players wouldn't play in North America if it weren't for North America having the top league in the world. The fact that there's now a Russian league that can offer competitive (and indeed, in some cases, better) salaries has some of them going home, but the majority of top Russian players still play in the NHL.


Who knows, maybe a decade+ from now maybe there will be two major hockey leagues in the world (or at least one that has all the Russian players and maybe some decent NA talent on the more wealthy teams)
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