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#241 Daniel

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:00 AM

Appreciate you passing on the information, but it means nothing (especially from NHL.com writers). Mock drafts are confusing but more so in the NHL than in the NFL and NBA where team needs aren't as clear and there are less leaks. I don't think team's are promising agents that they will draft a player if he reaches them like in other sports.

 

And lastly, I don't think there are many draft gurus calling people from each team when they make this list to get a feel what they are going to do...and as we know, there are no leaks from NJ's camp. Conte and Lou have a list. No one else.

 

I would just distinguish between draft rankings and mock drafts.  The former helps give a sense of who might be available where.  Mock drafts can do that too, to a certain extent.  The problem is that the people doing them, with the exception of people like Pronman, is that they really don't know that much about most teams' systems.  (It's not really a knock on them, it just takes a lot of effort to do that). 

 

An interesting exercise for someone that has a lot of time on their hands would be to compare the SB Nation mock drafts to those of the talking heads.  For those unfamiliar with the former, it's kind of like a crowd sourced mock where each SB Nation blog for each team makes its own pick.  The advantage of course is that each blogger knows his own team better than the brand name types. 

 

Of course, it's all for fun.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:08 AM

I would just distinguish between draft rankings and mock drafts.  The former helps give a sense of who might be available where.  Mock drafts can do that too, to a certain extent.  The problem is that the people doing them, with the exception of people like Pronman, is that they really don't know that much about most teams' systems.  (It's not really a knock on them, it just takes a lot of effort to do that). 

 

An interesting exercise for someone that has a lot of time on their hands would be to compare the SB Nation mock drafts to those of the talking heads.  For those unfamiliar with the former, it's kind of like a crowd sourced mock where each SB Nation blog for each team makes its own pick.  The advantage of course is that each blogger knows his own team better than the brand name types. 

 

Of course, it's all for fun.

 

Absolutely, my point was with the "for what it's worth comment"...it's worth nothing but fun.

 

A lot of the mock draft guys might know a ton about each player and can properly rate them, but they have no clue what each individual team wants. Then there are some insiders that might know, but it's just impossible to know what the Devils are going for.

 

As Conte has said a few teams in interviews, the scouts don't meet and discuss and argue players together. They file reports to Conte, and he has his own system. So even if you had scouting connections with the Devils, that scout just files reports and has no clue at all what other scouts are thinking or what Conte is going to do.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:14 AM

I don't think that Lemieux and Matteau appear that similar.  The video i've seen on Lemieux is amazing.  He doesn't take crap from anyone, stands up for teammates(not a fighter mind you), has a great shot, decent hands, drives the net like a beast.  Kind of reminds me a feistier Parise. 


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:20 AM

Lemi

 

Re: Lemieux vs. Matteau, I see a lot higher praise of Lemieux than I remember seeing for Matteau. Probably very similar players, but people seem to be talking up Lemieux a bit more in the skill/offense department. Just what I've seen, I'm otherwise not too informed on this year's prospects.

 

Being Claude's son probably has a lot to do with the talk as well.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:53 AM

the devils can do pretty well with forwards in this draft, considering who could be available at their pick in each round. i’m not saying they should choose only forwards for their first three picks, but based on some of the rankings i’ve seen, some of these guys have a decent chance of being available:

 

round 1: pastrnak, vrana, goldobin, scherbak, ho sang, schmaltz, lemieux 

round 2: kamenev, quenneville, karlsson, point

round 3: karabacek, tkachyov

 

honestly hoping the devils select kamenev in the first round if the first four i listed are off the table.

and who knows, we might get lucky if one of fiala, kempe, or barbashev falls for some reason


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:02 AM

From Lou's quotes to TG, sounds like he's inclined to go with a forward unless there's a clear separation between their ranking of the defenseman and the next forward. 


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:35 AM

Appreciate you passing on the information, but it means nothing (especially from NHL.com writers). Mock drafts are confusing but more so in the NHL than in the NFL and NBA where team needs aren't as clear and there are less leaks. I don't think team's are promising agents that they will draft a player if he reaches them like in other sports.

 

And lastly, I don't think there are many draft gurus calling people from each team when they make this list to get a feel what they are going to do...and as we know, there are no leaks from NJ's camp. Conte and Lou have a list. No one else.

 

Obviously, I know that it means nothing (and I presented it as such with no claim to the contrary????). It's just food for conversation because a bunch of writers wrote it, and I think everyone on here knows that...it's the same as what gets posted here all the time...


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:44 AM

From Lou's quotes to TG, sounds like he's inclined to go with a forward unless there's a clear separation between their ranking of the defenseman and the next forward. 

Which is wha he should do. Unless there is a anothe Merrill talented defensive prospect the forwards are bare and need restocking badly.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:06 PM

Pretty excited for today.  Here's to a good forward coming our way.  :cheers:  Prost!


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:10 PM

Hell yes. So stoked!! Can't wait for tonight. Hope to see a lot of trades all around the league!
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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:52 PM

I'll be at work tonight but thank god for the NBC sports live app, I will never miss a draft.
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Posted 27 June 2014 - 02:04 PM

I'll actually be there tonight and tomorrow, pretty psyched.  Hoping I run into some Devils staff/players.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 02:20 PM

I live in philly and thought about going tonight. I just always feel a draft on TV is so much more informative. I want to get to a draft sometime in my life though

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 02:32 PM

I'll actually be there tonight and tomorrow, pretty psyched. Hoping I run into some Devils staff/players.


Watch the Devils table and give us updates as to the comings and goings.
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Posted 27 June 2014 - 02:40 PM

I'm hoping for Lemieux or Ho-sang.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 02:47 PM

I'm hoping for Lemieux or Ho-sang.

I'm hoping we can get both. Ho - sang dropping to us in the 2nd?
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Posted 27 June 2014 - 03:11 PM

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 03:12 PM

Watch the Devils table and give us updates as to the comings and goings.

 

One of these years, Lou will put a giant black curtain around it and communicate with GM's solely through notes being secretly passed to other tables.


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Posted 27 June 2014 - 03:15 PM

One of these years, Lou will put a giant black curtain around it and communicate with GM's solely through notes being secretly passed to other tables.


Hah. I'm sure Bettman would nix that. Lou was caught at the Wild table a few yrs back when Burns got dealt and he and Gillis were caught together last year.

Although I think we will be quiet the next two days.

Hopefully Colin and whoever else is there can keep an eye out.
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Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:24 PM

 

Flyers-Panthers blockbuster being talked about as we speak. #FlaPanthers

 

Flyers trading up to 1st Overall?

 

 

Who are some of these guys?  I've never heard of this Insiiddeerrr#!!


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